Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

[protector]

btw Anri, wtf is this? You disappoint me. You have females playing in Simians !!! What is this??? You broke your own golden rule: NO TITS IN SIMIANS! :(

[jstr]

How typical, we have now moved to trying to shame HoH from being allies with abs even though it obviously works for them and praising simians for farming out.

Seriously the attitude of I'm going to control the whole top race, everyone will play off my actions and then when it turns out differently throwing a tantrum threatening a scorched earth policy and basically taking you ball and running home crying is rewarded.

If you are the least bit capable of putting sanc in a tough position through good strategic game play and laming them more power to ya. If ya just FSU cuz ya got outplayed then I hope you get the gang bang ya deserve.

All that being said I like simians, thought they played a good age up to the noticing part and its sad to see how it turned out for them.

[Crazy Pete]

Dont you think HoH are mad at getting the win against Simians who aren't really hitting back? They are out to regain their respect, yet get no credit what so ever from winning against a deliberately inactive Simains. Lifes a ***** (and then you marry one)

I asked last night before I went to bed for a kingdom mate to screen shot our warboard that showed that all of Simians potential attackers had armies out with the exception of one of the coke provs (2 have similar names) , mab , and the bank , and faery provs had armies home.

I think saying Simians threw the fight to spite Absalom takes away from our activity/ effort/ strategy before and during war. I also think Simians has a very good crew of players an that the paper doesn't show how hard fought of a war it was on both sides. One of Simians biggest problems was there bank prov looks to be abandoned, im not entirely sure at what point it happened. They halso had a cpl Of provs that Weren't army in or out. Our orcs for the most part were tripling on average army in and out.

I don't care to post in this thread much more since it's just turning into a flaming thread like all the others in this forum, maybe and end of war paper once wd is made by them or us. KyGal and hengz from our crew need a congratulations on a flawless strategy.

[Crazy Pete]

Oh P.S. all u forum nub trolls that like to take all day googling come backs and funny chit to say need to try trolling live via irc. Any idiot can troll in these forums and usually do.

Pro troll = irc troll , these forums should be for real posts only.

[jdorje]

I don't really agree with this seemingly new train of thought that came up last age of "we're calling dibs by saying we're hitting you no matter what you do."

It's an inevitable fallout of the noticing system. The noticed kingdom feels they have a right to claim a fight, when a kingdom notices them, and feels that a notice-and-run strategy is lame. And they're right to feel that way, of course.

When it leads to multiple kingdoms being noticed at the same time, the noticees get to pick who fights. This was the same as when Sanc noticed pulse and then inzo - you guys got to pick which one fought us and the other got to vulture. Here we got to pick who would fight them (sanc) and hoh would have been able to vulture. You cannot dodge a kingdom you noticed by waving someone else just before they can wave you, and you shouldn't be able to. It's not a licence to double-team but if you put yourself in that position, you deserve what you get.

Ultimately the solution should be to stop the dumbass noticing system, but with dicing mechanics the way they are now that isn't possible. If nobody ceasefired there would be no dicing and no separation and the ghettos would whine - and still someone would manage to get the ceasefires they need and they'd just pull away. Ultimately everyone except top kingdoms is happy with the current mechanics; the problem is that it makes top play something that most kingdoms ridicule and try to avoid. The whole game, top to bottom, would be a better and more popular place if top play was something that kingdoms tried to achieve.

And at risk of repeating myself again and again, the growth (pool/dice/explore) mechanics changes I've proposed will make all that happen. If dicing acres stick around and aren't lost when you fight and the pool is easier to empty overall, then fighting won't be something kingdoms shy from, the blocking strategy will fail, and huge nap rings won't be needed to keep up in the top. Win, win, win.

Addendum: there are a few things we could do to improve the situation even without mechanics changes. Additional clauses on ceasefires is generally a really bad idea, but if everyone agreed "the noticing kingdom cannot be in fortified when cf expires" it would help.

[Korp]

Oh P.S. all u forum nub trolls that like to take all day googling come backs and funny chit to say need to try trolling live via irc. Any idiot can troll in these forums and usually do.Pro troll = irc troll , these forums should be for real posts only.

Isnt it ironic that you dont care to post here much more cause it will just turn into a "flaming thread" then you proceed in your next post just help turn it into one big huge flaming thread? You can come and offer me a sample of your "trolling" skills on irc, you can find me in several different channels. Otherwise, dont be so ghetto.

[Crazy Pete]

Unlike most here if I have something to say I log onto the kingdoms # and troll away. If your sensitive about my post you aren't a real troll initiating trolling live.Anyways the bank is up :D the fight is still ongoing and no kingdom has won yet.

[flutterby]

Oh P.S. all u forum nub trolls that like to take all day googling come backs and funny chit to say need to try trolling live via irc. Any idiot can troll in these forums and usually do.

Pro troll = irc troll , these forums should be for real posts only.

You troll IRC? Wow, you must be so proud of yourself. And to think, that you believe people google comebacks. Seriously, even I give utopians more credit than that. But you're right, you go to IRC and stay off the forums. That's a win win for everyone.

[Anri]

absalom KDs has done this hit and run strategy in the past. The only difference is they have taken pure GHETTOS half their size and given them button. Knowing they would never press it. What Simians did was entirely different. We gave HoH the button. Not any random ghetto that just happen to get themself into warring range. Now you cant war half the KD your size any longer. But this was certainly not a hit and run strategy. We wanted to war HoH round 1 and Sanc round 2.

It does not really matter, next time i see Dorje is when i hit him into hostile/war next age.

[Korp]

Unlike most here if I have something to say I log onto the kingdoms # and troll away. If your sensitive about my post you aren't a real troll initiating trolling live.Anyways the bank is up :D the fight is still ongoing and no kingdom has won yet.

You realize that calling someone a troll is 101 trolling.

[Korp]

The noticed kingdom feels they have a right to claim a fight, when a kingdom notices them, and feels that a notice-and-run strategy is lame. And they're right to feel that way, of course.

You're such a hypocrite :)

[Bishop]

You realize that calling someone a troll is 101 trolling.

This is correct, please do not do it. If you have issue with a post then please report it.

[princess]

YEs hoh strat and play has been great there no doubts there.... It really would have been nice sanc let simians and hoh fight at start and some of the semi abandoned provinces in simians did fight

[goodz]

Simians appears to be putting together a string of losses, hopefully they don't go the way of insolence!

[goodz]

I don't really agree with this seemingly new train of thought that came up last age of "we're calling dibs by saying we're hitting you no matter what you do." While one could say Simians asked for this more than say Inso did last age, Inso noticing someone and then someone noticing them afterwards and then saying "we're hitting regardless" is really nothing more than a powerplay. I imagine had we not won the age I would have felt we got ****played pretty hard, so I can understand anri's frustrations.

While one could argue Simians asked for it because they noticed multiple kingdoms at once, one could say you asked for getting noticed by multiple at once by not staggering your ceasefires. Things get tricky if all the action would have happenned in a few minutes or few seconds, but per the paper and the logs it looks as if you had more than enough time to make more than 1 hit.

Making 8 hits into fortified isn't the end of the world, especially given your longstanding statement of how bad of a setup they had compared to yours. This seemingly could have easily been resolved with a more clear cut case of just giving em 8 hits if you wanted them.

How can you agree with it and not disagree with it?

Sanct said we are waving you
Simians replied no we are waving hoh
Sanct waved first.
Simians waved second.

So if you don't think you can call dibs, then shouldn't waving at least make it obvious? It seems simians wants to call dibs on a hostile, but doesn't think someone can call dibs on them. If you both agree you can't call dibs then you would think you must agree that some hits counts as calling dibs.