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    Sanc didn't wave first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
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    Sanc didn't wave first.
    This:

    February 24 of YR10 Our kingdom has begun a Ruby Dragon project targetted at HaLL of Heroes RECRUITING ().
    March 1 of YR10 Sanctuary () has broken their ceasefire agreement with us!
    March 1 of YR10 A Ruby Dragon from Sanctuary () has begun ravaging our lands!
    March 1 of YR10 Sanctuary () has begun a Ruby Dragon project against us!
    March 1 of YR10 We have cancelled our ceasefire with HaLL of Heroes RECRUITING ()!

    March 1 of YR10 Outplayers Empire () invaded MeanLeanDwarfMachine () and captured 1,472 acres of land.

    Here Simians is still in fortified and Sanctuary refuse to hit us anymore. So we decide since they are not inveting us to war we continue with our plans to war HoH round 1.
    We begin the attacks after waiting 1h for sanctuary and told them we are hostile with HoH and they have to wait for round 2 when we will more then happy take them to a conflict.

    March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 481 acres of land from Kingdoms will crumble ().
    March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 529 acres of land from How far we will go ().
    March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 337 acres of land from Broken in our wake ().
    March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 305 acres of land from Broken in our wake ().
    March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 417 acres of land from The game has changed ().
    March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 215 acres of land from Your time has passed ().
    March 2 of YR10 An unknown province from Simians KLA hostile HoH () captured 401 acres of land from Thought youd keep us down ().

    There, we gave HoH the button. Sanc proceed to fully wave us. HoH waits to declare til Sanc is finished.
    I dont blame HoH. But what Sanc did was very wrong and they can expect to be treated like this from here on after themselfs.
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    Yes it was so very wrong of them to tell you in advance that they were going to wave you and not let you run.... The result of this was because of your own poor choices Anri.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DHaran View Post
    Yes it was so very wrong of them to tell you in advance that they were going to wave you and not let you run.... The result of this was because of your own poor choices Anri.
    No, i played by the rules absalom themselfs had made up. They broke their own set of rules because they were greedy. You are a moderator of this forum and represents this game. You oughta know what a hostile is and what not is. Just like absalom always known up til now. People can dislike me and hate me all they want. I made nothing wrong, absalom powerplayed us and thats that. So, i will do the same to them. We all know the rules a bit better now. Absalom makes the rules as people know. So if this is how its going to be played my allies will dragon them, we will hit them, maybe have a third KD join in with a second dragon. It wont matter how we do it, it will be done since Absalom now allows this. We are more then okey with it. I had a feeling absalom could do it, i tested their greed and they did it. Talks over at our side was that Dorje would be smarter then that and not do it. Cause in the end he hurt his alliance and his KD way more then anything else. He will still end on same position as before the wave. It was more then a dumb move. Simians dont care if we end 7th or 4th for land now. Absalom took a bite from the forbidden fruit or smoked some illegal substance thats for sure. I will take pleasure in multi gang Sanc next age, into hostile/war and what not.

    There is not anyone in Simians that does not agree on our next age mission and that we been wrongfully powerplayed by Sanctuary. I can only wish Dorje GL.
    He better prepare his entire alliance to stop what is coming for him. I had enough of these ****ing rules. They applied only as long as absalom themselfs followed them.
    When they broke them there is nothing that can ever make us trust them and their rules again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anri View Post
    Here Simians is still in fortified and Sanctuary refuse to hit us anymore. So we decide since they are not inveting us to war we continue with our plans to war HoH round 1.
    Even though I told you we'd wave when you left fortified? Since you had to leave fortified anyway, why not give us a few minutes to wave then? Why make 7 quick hits (which does not give button btw) and try to sneak away before we can wave, when you know we're going to wave within minutes anyway?

    It just makes no sense to me. You didn't have to notice us. You didn't have to be in fortified after the notice you gave expired. You didn't have to wave someone else after I informed you we were about to wave you, and dare us to wave anyway. You didn't have to continue your wave and give the button after we resumed ours. All of those were your choices, and they didn't work out very well.
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    so once you tell a KD you are going to wave them, they are auto-locked in a war with you? and they no longer have any decision on who they will be attacking? glad i don't play in top, you guys have some screwed up rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdorje View Post
    You didn't have to wave someone else after I informed you we were about to wave you, and dare us to wave anyway. You didn't have to continue your wave and give the button after we resumed ours. All of those were your choices, and they didn't work out very well.
    What will be solution if hoh already informed anri they will wave him after simians leave fort stance? Who have more right to war simians?
    what will be hoh reaction if Simians After make 7 hits on them decide to declare Sanctuary? Do you think HoH will give free 7 hits or will full wave Simians ever if war is declared?
    Some times you are very far from being objective. There is not only Sanctuary but 2 more kds/interest. Sure gave you notice and make kd train up is bad for your pump/dice but its part from game. After simians alredy did 7 hits on hoh its was clear they cant war sanc and hoh will declare. Do you think wave them was smart move in long therm. You made bad blood so easy for noting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdorje View Post
    Even though I told you we'd wave when you left fortified? Since you had to leave fortified anyway, why not give us a few minutes to wave then? Why make 7 quick hits (which does not give button btw) and try to sneak away before we can wave, when you know we're going to wave within minutes anyway?

    It just makes no sense to me. You didn't have to notice us. You didn't have to be in fortified after the notice you gave expired. You didn't have to wave someone else after I informed you we were about to wave you, and dare us to wave anyway. You didn't have to continue your wave and give the button after we resumed ours. All of those were your choices, and they didn't work out very well.
    We were in fort stance so that we got to choose who we gave button first.
    Giving you notice was only to make you train up early.
    You bended the rules as you seem to fitt you the best.
    Just like i will bend the rules how it fitt me best in the future when i am coming for Sanctuary.
    It was your moves that broke the rules. Not mine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
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    Sanc didn't wave first.
    They hit their bank first. You can only do so much into a KD in fortified. But they made their intentions clear, Anri tried to run.

    Palem. My KD starts a dragon at yours and hits your biggest province and says come out of fortified so we can war? After you talk trash in forums for 2-3 days prior about my kd. Then you jump out and quickly wave someone else? I don't think so.

    If HoH also said they were going to wave when he left fortified, which I have not seen mentioned anywhere. I believe absalom decided sanctuary would war him. As soon as anri noticed 3 kds at once he gave up his selection process. Politics in the top is somewhat different... There is only 4 KD's. You can't just wave someone else everytime you think your going to get waved...

    I don't think we need to discuss this more though, a few people who dislike absalom will side with simians out of bias. Other then that its pretty obvious Anri made a huge error in judgment. Hopefully he has no issues forgetting about it on his vacation and returns in time to start next age.

    If I see bio or simians or any of these nubs double hostiling abs kds in the next age I will have no issues backing abs. No love for abs but nothing went wrong here. Give notice then hide in fortified and then wave someone else? Its all so laughable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodz View Post
    If HoH also said they were going to wave when he left fortified, which I have not seen mentioned anywhere.
    Dont think HoH did it. I'm just follow Dorje logic. HoH have same right to come and tell anri we will wave you so dont run and wave sanctuary. What will be solution?
    From other Side Sanctuary had chance to wave Simians and gave button before Simians wave HoH. This will put them in clear ingame open relation and they cant ignore it. Talk only is not enough for fill meter.

    Quote Originally Posted by goodz View Post
    If I see bio or simians or any of these nubs double hostiling abs kds in the next age I will have no issues backing abs. No love for abs but nothing went wrong here. Give notice then hide in fortified and then wave someone else? Its all so laughable.
    Wrong. Gave notice is strategy move. Stay in fort is same. Waving KD who just send out is lame. If simians make same will be fair. There is not other way for ABS to start respect 1vs1 and not abuse situations/rules. If there was 4-5 more non abs kds in range there wont be wave from sanctuary or they will get instant wave from other kd. If you want to backup some one do it for Simians. I want to see fair 1vs1 competitions not abuse your total domination in top.
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    If both kingdoms did it and they are allied it would be a double hostile provoked by them.

    If they were two random unaffiliated kd's and this was not a top war and you broke CF with them both at the same time and were highly pumped in a way that threatened them they would probably both wave you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elitbg View Post
    Dont think HoH did it. I'm just follow Dorje logic. HoH have same right to come and tell anri we will wave you so dont run and wave sanctuary. What will be solution?
    From other Side Sanctuary had chance to wave Simians and gave button before Simians wave HoH. This will put them in clear ingame open relation and they cant ignore it. Talk only is not enough for fill meter.



    Wrong. Gave notice is strategy move. Stay in fort is same. Waving KD who just send out is lame. If simians make same will be fair. There is not other way for ABS to start respect 1vs1 and not abuse situations/rules. If there was 4-5 more non abs kds in range there wont be wave from sanctuary or they will get instant wave from other kd. If you want to backup some one do it for Simians. I want to see fair 1vs1 competitions not abuse your total domination in top.
    common sense means more then the meter. If i spend my whole age hostile with 1:1 and dicing and complain anytime anyone hits me... can I really use meter/hostile as a justification. I mean what if simians had say 1 hour before the CF with hoh and sanctuary broke decided to wave a KD 30% smaller then them? Personally if I was sanctuary I would wave them anyway for intentionally delaying me and then hiding to avoid conflict. The only reason this is murkey at all is because he did it to two allied kingdoms. I 100% believe that if he had waved sanctuary HoH would not have touched him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goodz View Post
    If both kingdoms did it and they are allied it would be a double hostile provoked by them.

    If they were two random unaffiliated kd's and this was not a top war and you broke CF with them both at the same time and were highly pumped in a way that threatened them they would probably both wave you
    You know our opinion dont matter at all :P
    This top chart politic is so lame. So prefer to not comment it more.

    Quote Originally Posted by goodz View Post
    I 100% believe that if he had waved sanctuary HoH would not have touched him.
    Think same. HoH is acting honorable in last few ages.
    Last edited by Elit; 24-07-2012 at 17:20.

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    As usual, the problem will be failure to apply common sense to a given scenario. Common sense should have told Simians not to risk a double hostile, and to deal with Sanc first. Simians will now ignore common sense and use a vague description of this scenario as justification for future double hostiles which really don't relate at all to this situation. This is the reason why Simians has failed to truly contend for a crown to this point.
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