Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

[wartague]

I would think HoH had wanted to beat us on fair terms if they want to restore rep.

What reputation is it that needs restoring Anri? When was it ever shattered?

Maybe he can still crown. We prob make sure he does. Since takeshi dude wants to keep talking. Sanc not getting it. Nor HoH any longer.

Seems you think takeshi is a representant of HoH. He is not in fact he doesn't play in HoH. Takeshi was once a HoH player but is no longer. Just to straighten things.

[Avenger]

Nice management Anri, nice.

[gergnub]

How surprising that Anri is taking the martyrdom stance.

[pie]

29 pages later...


/yawn

[tak3shi]

common sense means more then the meter. If i spend my whole age hostile with 1:1 and dicing and complain anytime anyone hits me... can I really use meter/hostile as a justification. I mean what if simians had say 1 hour before the CF with hoh and sanctuary broke decided to wave a KD 30% smaller then them? Personally if I was sanctuary I would wave them anyway for intentionally delaying me and then hiding to avoid conflict. The only reason this is murkey at all is because he did it to two allied kingdoms. I 100% believe that if he had waved sanctuary HoH would not have touched him.

The biggest problem we have is that some leaders lack what is common, sense. Ironic isn't it.

[tak3shi]

What reputation is it that needs restoring Anri? When was it ever shattered?



Seems you think takeshi is a representant of HoH. He is not in fact he doesn't play in HoH. Takeshi was once a HoH player but is no longer. Just to straighten things.

Wartague, I've told them 10,000 times I don't play in HoH. Just like we've mentioned HoH isn't HoA, does anyone listen? -.-"

[goodz]

Sometimes you have got to say we rolled the dice, which giving notice to 3 at once was. Renegotiating CF's with 2 of them so they could go back to dicing was there best bet. Otherwise they needed to make absolutely sure with the other parties that they would not be waving them.

If simians wanted to war hoh and then war sanctuary as this was "obvious" They should have noticed HoH. Warred HoH. Then noticed sanctuary.

Like I said right at start the break cf with all 3 does slow them all and you can see the logic, but it gives abs the right to choose who wars you. You tried to give notice to all 3 and pick your target. Too much cake for one monkey imo!

@tak3shi even abs leaders say HoH is in abs :P

[Anri]

I really like what all experts here is saying. Abs powerplayed us, they would never have waved us if there was one more KD pumped up on our side without that KD laying down the law for them.
This is pure powerplaying that was used by Sanctuary vs Simians just because they could bend the rules in this situation. I might have initiated it to more or less and tested absalom and see if they would do it or not. They did it. This means we can do it to them without thinking twice about it. Its more then cool, i can agree with most here and say they are right. If i werent really i would justify that i cant wave absalom like this in the future. We will see how they like that. We will see how they like starting multi dragons on one KD, we will see how they like it when they are jumped army out, when they are hit into hostile and when they are ****ing hit into war. In no way i complain, the other way around. I enjoyed this entire scenario. History is as such when we have been about to wave abs kds they have gone hostile with pure ghettos to avoid us, so we have waited like good little dogs to wave them at a later moment WHEN relations been cleared off. Most often we went to the other KD and made sure they CFed so that we could nail them. Sanctuary followed thru a wave when i said they can keep the acres they got and they can pay that dragon. They were never hostile with us, it was a dragon and it was an attack. Wich i told them they get for free if they dont give us button. We waited 1h and waved HoH since Sanc did not make a move what so ever. We had 3 days more we could have been in fort stance.

None of it really matters like i said, cause Simians is happy. HoH should be happy and Sanc got 15k free acres. They should be happy. It just took a while to think it all over and realize that Sanc just changed gamefield forever. We will deeply screw them over into hostile/war next age. It is them that has to live with that fact. Not Simians. Sanc can forget about crowns and everything else. They gonna be stuck with Simians til they return 15k acres. It will not be enough of taking a wave or getting hurt in the same way. WE WILL reclaim every single acre. We will raze them if we have too straight into war til we add up to 15k acres. Dorje and his Sanc is dead to me.

There is no need for me to talk about it any longer. It is just what it is.

[goodz]

I really like what all experts here is saying. Abs powerplayed us, they would never have waved us if there was one more KD pumped up on our side without that KD laying down the law for them.
This is pure powerplaying that was used by Sanctuary vs Simians just because they could bend the rules in this situation. I might have initiated it to more or less and tested absalom and see if they would do it or not. They did it. This means we can do it to them without thinking twice about it. Its more then cool, i can agree with most here and say they are right. If i werent really i would justify that i cant wave absalom like this in the future. We will see how they like that. We will see how they like starting multi dragons on one KD, we will see how they like it when they are jumped army out, when they are hit into hostile and when they are ****ing hit into war. In no way i complain, the other way around. I enjoyed this entire scenario. History is as such when we have been about to wave abs kds they have gone hostile with pure ghettos to avoid us, so we have waited like good little dogs to wave them at a later moment WHEN relations been cleared off. Most often we went to the other KD and made sure they CFed so that we could nail them. Sanctuary followed thru a wave when i said they can keep the acres they got and they can pay that dragon. They were never hostile with us, it was a dragon and it was an attack. Wich i told them they get for free if they dont give us button. We waited 1h and waved HoH since Sanc did not make a move what so ever. We had 3 days more we could have been in fort stance.

None of it really matters like i said, cause Simians is happy. HoH should be happy and Sanc got 15k free acres. They should be happy. It just took a while to think it all over and realize that Sanc just changed gamefield forever. We will deeply screw them over into hostile/war next age. It is them that has to live with that fact. Not Simians. Sanc can forget about crowns and everything else. They gonna be stuck with Simians til they return 15k acres. It will not be enough of taking a wave or getting hurt in the same way. WE WILL reclaim every single acre. We will raze them if we have too straight into war til we add up to 15k acres. Dorje and his Sanc is dead to me.

There is no need for me to talk about it any longer. It is just what it is.

I haven't noticed anyone agree with you. A few noobs who have probably never played in the top perhaps.

They said they would give you button as soon as you stopped hiding in fortified, you have to be crazy to wave into fortified. What they requested was very reasonable. I can't imagine in anyway the game field changed. Next age if sanctuary notices you and one of your allies and says they will war either of you. Then say simians says we will war you, and starts a dragon and asks sanctuary to go to normal so they can wave. Then sanctuary says no we are warring someone else and waves another KD. Then and only then should you multi hostile them :D

You waited 1 hour in normal? I think something more like 12 hours, of waving them yourself would make more sense so they have some shot at waving you...

Your mumbo jumbo sounds like another attempt at an Awar that will likely result with simians/bio/insolence/old school probably 1-2 of them disbanding.

[jstr]

lol it was all according to anri's master plan about scoping out abs tendencies now.

This whole thread was a look at me look what I can do in the top, ya got spanked, man up and take the medicine.

Everyone made their minds up during the 24 hours you were hiding.

[DHaran]

I really like what all experts here is saying. Abs powerplayed us, they would never have waved us if there was one more KD pumped up on our side without that KD laying down the law for them.
This is pure powerplaying that was used by Sanctuary vs Simians just because they could bend the rules in this situation. I might have initiated it to more or less and tested absalom and see if they would do it or not. They did it. This means we can do it to them without thinking twice about it. Its more then cool, i can agree with most here and say they are right. If i werent really i would justify that i cant wave absalom like this in the future. We will see how they like that. We will see how they like starting multi dragons on one KD, we will see how they like it when they are jumped army out, when they are hit into hostile and when they are ****ing hit into war. In no way i complain, the other way around. I enjoyed this entire scenario. History is as such when we have been about to wave abs kds they have gone hostile with pure ghettos to avoid us, so we have waited like good little dogs to wave them at a later moment WHEN relations been cleared off. Most often we went to the other KD and made sure they CFed so that we could nail them. Sanctuary followed thru a wave when i said they can keep the acres they got and they can pay that dragon. They were never hostile with us, it was a dragon and it was an attack. Wich i told them they get for free if they dont give us button. We waited 1h and waved HoH since Sanc did not make a move what so ever. We had 3 days more we could have been in fort stance.

None of it really matters like i said, cause Simians is happy. HoH should be happy and Sanc got 15k free acres. They should be happy. It just took a while to think it all over and realize that Sanc just changed gamefield forever. We will deeply screw them over into hostile/war next age. It is them that has to live with that fact. Not Simians. Sanc can forget about crowns and everything else. They gonna be stuck with Simians til they return 15k acres. It will not be enough of taking a wave or getting hurt in the same way. WE WILL reclaim every single acre. We will raze them if we have too straight into war til we add up to 15k acres. Dorje and his Sanc is dead to me.

There is no need for me to talk about it any longer. It is just what it is.

Like I said, you will use this scenario as justification to act shady for an entirely different scenario. Make sure that when you decide to try and get back at them you do the following:

A) Receive fair notice to end a CF with your targeted Abs kingdom
B) Declare in no uncertain terms your intentions to wave your targeted Abs kingdom
C) Start a dragon and hit into your targeted Abs kingdom while they sit in Fortified Stance
D) Finish wave as your targeted kingdom tries to run by waving anoth...... wait, nevermind, they won't be that shortsighted to try that, so ignore this step.

But no of course you won't do that. You'll choose a completely different scenario to pounce on an Abs kingdom in a clear cut and universally accepted shady double hostile. The only result (again) will be you making yourself and your kingdom look foolish.

[wartague]

@tak3shi even abs leaders say HoH is in abs :P

No they don't. And we are NOT.

HoH should be happy and Sanc got 15k free acres. They should be happy.

We're not.

[Anri]

There is no more to talk about. We gave HoH button, Sanc hit us army out. We will do the same to them when they given button to another KD. We maybe have to do it 3 times. We will do it til we have 15k acres back. I think longer then one age, else Simians would not have been here for 50 ages. Dorje seem to used his logic for this age only. Thats on him. He will get trouble til we made our revenge. End of story

Its really cool that Dharan and Takeshi and maybe some others speaks for absalom when they cant speak for themselfs.

[Drixx]

Anri, as someone who has had good conversations and relations with you in the past, I hope I can say this to you here and you will understand I'm speaking out of genuine respect and hoping it will be helpful. Some ages ago, either during my last age co-monarching Trinity with Alien or it may have been my first age co-monarching Fury (the age we didn't tag and people still called us Grace), we had a similar situation happen to us. Prot gave us notice that would expire a couple hours after our planned wave time. ASF told us to cancel our wave and prep for Prot's kd, but we decided to go ahead with our wave and we gave the button and told Prot to wait, which he did not do. He waved us with our armies out.

Was that a double hostile? We thought so ... but we put ourselves in that position. We knew that Prot intended to wave us and wanted to war us, and we waved someone else.

This is similar. You gave notice to Sanctuary and HaLL of Heroes and Rage, and then Rage re-cf'd you and you had two possible war targets left. Sanctuary initiated by sending a dragon (not a small investment) and hitting your bank into fort (which is a dangerous move since if you could leave fort and retaliate you would get much more bank acres). Sanctuary then told you they were going to finish waving you as soon as you left fort. Common sense should have made you prepare for Sanctuary and war them. But, just like me, you wanted to go after the target you really wanted instead so you left fort and started waving them. Sanctuary was already invested in the fight though and did what they said they would do, and waved you.

You knew Sanctuary was going to wave you, and you wanted to go after another kd instead. If you really wanted to war HaLL of Heroes the whole time, you should have given them notice quietly and then it would have been some hours later before maybe Sanctuary or Rage might have given you notice, so you would have had a large free window to open on HoH without any possible other things, but you gave notice to all at the same time. You also decided to stay in fort and try to make someone give you a big advantage by waving you into fort instead of choosing your target immediately. Sanctuary invested in a dragon and a risky bank hit and gave you clear notice they were going to wave you and wanted to war.

You are a better person than to pretend to be a martyr here. You should have just fought Sanctuary and there would have been no problem. It's never a good idea to try and run from a hostile in progress because then when it goes bad it just seems that you made it yourself. I made this mistake once and I learned from it. It's embarrassing and ASF still uses it as an example to this day, as he did in this thread. I'm sad to see that you guys lost your fight. I thought it was really great play how you caught up to the top, and I think maybe if you had stayed full active and fought hard against Sanc you could have beat them maybe? It's never good to have all these hurt feelings. We all have this game we play in common and the game is based upon conflict, but maybe we should remember that we have that in common and that the conflict the game inspires is not true animosity but just a game.

You have always been honest when we talked Anri and I think if you are honest now you will say that you made some mistakes in this situation and maybe calm the situation down. If you had just fought Sanctuary, who clearly wanted to fight you, then there would never have been any controversy here. Sometimes you just have to fight the kd you don't want to fight, even if it hurts. I also remember when I was co-monarch of Fury with Tonya that we had a very disastrous war against Sonata. We did not want to fight them but there was no way to avoid the fight without making a bigger mess, so we had the hard fight and then moved on.

I hope you will still play hard and keep making the game fun and competitive at the top. Don't stay bitter over this, because it is just a game and I know all of the people involved, and you are all good people. I've enjoyed talking to and getting to know you all over the years, so hopefully you can talk in private and patch up relations and we can have many more great and fun ages.

Just my $0.02 for what it's worth.

[DHaran]

Its really cool that Dharan and Takeshi and maybe some others speaks for absalom when they cant speak for themselfs.

I am speaking for myself when I state you made a piss poor decision leading your kingdom, and now you're butt hurt about it. Anyone who knows anything knows I have no great love for Absalom, but this whole thing was your fault, not theirs. Stop trying to deflect and play the martyr, you screwed up, deal with it.