Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

[gergnub]

Ohhh Dorje. Stop whine so much! We dont care, okey? Sanc can do what sanc wants. Thats how all of this works. We do NOT care and u can sitt there and fart til this age ends.

Quite the turnaround compared to the first posts in this thread by Simians. How surprising.

[citadela01]

well at least for once Anri got to decide who crowns this age^^

[Anri]

Path:

Our KD have a 50 ages history. We have farmed out many times but we have also farmed others.

Last age we farmed the very KD that is farming us right now. We farmed them for a total of 35k acres and then we gave them an EoA cf. I seen almost every KD on this server farm out for one or another reason. The difference here is we do not have any damage control and we have nothing to play for any longer. Coming out and hand over our banks and our top to Sanc is not an option. We will let HoH grind us til we auto WD. From that position we can **** with Sanc how much we want and they cant really do anything about it. We knew the age was over when we gave HoH the button kamikaze style. Sanc finished the age, there was no way we would be able to fight with our bank down and our top hit down and Sanc sending us dragons.

The original plan was to hit HoH to 13 points and keep HoH under hostile relations for as long as we would have wanted. Soften them up with our 4 rogues and our 17 mystics. FB them to the ground, keep them on chasity and MS and finaly take them to a min time where we would try to come out gaining acres by LL.

After this: Hopefully we would have had larger and stronger banks and overall been more ready to fight sanctuary.

The plan backfired bigtime and there was no alternatives left. We did not run at all. We could have stayed in fort stance and just retal warred Sanc but it would not have made any sense to even remotly give Sanctuary the chance of winning the age.

You try to make it seem as there is only one player in Simians. This is a KD wide decission to give HoH button and let ourselfs get farmed out. There is not a single player in Simians that really gives a ****.

People can attack HoH if they like and do what fun they want, i suggest our attackers make some learns before we auto-wd.

We are in no way inactive. If we had wanted we would have sent 4-5k sms and a few hundred phone calls by now with a real gameplan but there is no point. We would not be winning over HoH cause we needed a long hostile to have any chance what so ever. A hostile relation without interference from Sanc.

You dont get it Path. I would not let Dorje breath the same air as me even.

Failure was ofc not the plan. Winning was. But when we cant win and entire plan backfired there is nothing more to play for except making sure Dorje has no chance of winning since he ruined our plans.

We had very low odds from the start of having any chance at all vs 3 abs KDs that could powerplay us. What we asked for was that we would get a chance to fight them fairly.

Rage accepted a new deal that they fight us only if they are on a #2 position.

Sanc gave us no chance at all to war HoH on our own terms. They just had to double us.
It was obvious when they started a dragon together with Rage all ready. No matter if we had hit HoH 1 second into the tick and sent our dragon to HoH they would still have done this.
People seem to not realize that Dorje would have walked over dead bodies to get his way with Simians. Powerplay was in effect from that when notice was given. If i had not dealt them the notices they would have dropped our asses notices to hurt us in the best moment possible.

I just made sure to send them before they would send us. At the time it feelt like a good idea to have everyone train up. Best chance we had on getting #1. It was a chance but i also knew that abs had to double hostile us to stop our plans. Wich they did.

Powerplay was in effect and it started with both Rage and Sanc starting dragons on us at the same time before notice was up. There was nothing honorable about it and absalom never intended to let us get away with forcing them to train up.

They would have hit us even if we had sent 1 attack on HoH out.

Jesus people should grow a brain. It is that easy for everyone. The first that sends a hit out got the dibbs? LoL, we could have sent dragon or made a hit 1 sec into that tick. Then what? Its not like Sanc gave a ****. They sent their dragon very quick. Knowing we had invested our dragon into HoH.

Dont come and tell me Sanc would not have sent it if we had sent our quicker. Dont come and tell me Sanc wouuld not have hit our bank if we had attacked HoH one time first.

ABSALOM POWERPLAYED US.

We gave up...

We wont play serious til next age.

And Path, my mom and dad lives in crete. I leave for a for weeks each summer. This time i will be leaving for 16 days. I will be back 10th of august. By that time the rest of my council will setup the KD and do all the work needed for us.

I just dont happen to go on vacation. I have a life and its summer.

Maybe you should stop beleiving everything i say is some conspiracy behind from me.

Maybe to sum it up here:

No one has the right to call dibbs on anyone. Sanctuary certainly did not have the right to dibbs us just as we did not have the right to dibbs HoH.

All i know is that when we had given HoH the button everything was for real. There was no dibbs game any longer. Because per game mechanics we gave them the option to declare.

What Sanc did after that was pure greed. They saw our bank and they saw our acres. They saw their chance. It backfired for Simians and it certainly backfired for Sanc. The only winners here is HoH.

[DHaran]

tl:dr

[gergnub]

tl:dr

[Drixx]

This is a KD wide decission to give HoH button and let ourselfs get farmed out.

What Sanc did after that was pure greed. They saw our bank and they saw our acres. They saw their chance. It backfired for Simians and it certainly backfired for Sanc. The only winners here is HoH.

Thanks for admitting the first part. It seemed obvious to most people but it's refreshing to see honesty on the forums instead of spin.

As for the second part, I think Sanc hit your bank before you sent any hits right? Maybe you could post a paper from the day this all went down so everyone can see precisely in which order things went? Just be sure to edit out locs and of course make sure you don't "accidentally" move something to the wrong order since other kds I am sure also have copies.

[Anri]

Thanks for admitting the first part. It seemed obvious to most people but it's refreshing to see honesty on the forums instead of spin.

As for the second part, I think Sanc hit your bank before you sent any hits right? Maybe you could post a paper from the day this all went down so everyone can see precisely in which order things went? Just be sure to edit out locs and of course make sure you don't "accidentally" move something to the wrong order since other kds I am sure also have copies.

I did post that. The only thing Sanc did very quick was send the dragon. Something we could have done also. Sanc just dibbs us that way. We could have sent the first dragon, we could have made the first hit. What matters is that we took HoH to hostile and gave them the button. Nothing else matters. Like i pointed out, Sanc would have dragoned us even if we sent it first. Sanc would have hit our bank even if we had hit HoH first.

The sadest part is that all of a sudden, mostly maybe cause people dislike me they stand by absaloms side. Next time it will be them that is wronged. And by god, dont let Simians take revenge. Because then all ghettos will stand up for absalom and GB Simians. We will just treat Sanc after how they treated us.

We will hit them army out, we will dragon them. We will claim them when we feel like it.
Til this matter is resolved diplomatic.

End of story

Edit: See far back for papers and events. I did post it.

[Anri]

Maybe i should say Sanctuary and not say absalom. Rage didnt do us any wrong except starting a dragon on us the same time as Sanc did it. Before notice was up.
I have nothing against Rage and they did nothing really bad against us. They did some good diplomatics and always shown us a honorable play. I would once again like to apologize to them cause of this. But it cant be helped when Sanc did what they did.

[I_am_Spartacus]

I am on the planet Earth, where the predominant species is Human. It seems like some people in this thread are off in different realities.

[Drixx]

I did post that. The only thing Sanc did very quick was send the dragon. Something we could have done also. Sanc just dibbs us that way. We could have sent the first dragon, we could have made the first hit. What matters is that we took HoH to hostile and gave them the button. Nothing else matters. Like i pointed out, Sanc would have dragoned us even if we sent it first. Sanc would have hit our bank even if we had hit HoH first.

The sadest part is that all of a sudden, mostly maybe cause people dislike me they stand by absaloms side. Next time it will be them that is wronged. And by god, dont let Simians take revenge. Because then all ghettos will stand up for absalom and GB Simians. We will just treat Sanc after how they treated us.

We will hit them army out, we will dragon them. We will claim them when we feel like it.
Til this matter is resolved diplomatic.

End of story

Edit: See far back for papers and events. I did post it.

My understanding of the order of events:

1: Sanc sends dragon
2: Sanc makes bank hit
3: Sanc sends Anri/Simians message saying "We will wave when you drop fort"
4: Simians drops fort and makes 7 hits against hoh
5: Sanc's 2nd hit comes in (prior to button being given to hoh)
6: Sanc continues waving and at some point after Sanc's 2nd hit, Simians gives the button to HoH
7: Sanc finishes their wave against Simians, at this point HoH has not retaliated (and so by some definitions, including the one Prot used against me some ages ago, it wasn't a real hostile yet.)
8: HoH presses button and war commences
9: Simians decides to roll over and farm out to spite Sanc (and also harms Rage as collateral damage)

Is this accurate for order of events? Personally, I view a hostile as being opened when one side has clearly committed to the fight and clearly communicated to the other side that they are committed. The other party at that point has three choices generally: try to do some diplomacy to avoid the fight, engage in the fight, or eat the wave for a CF. This situation was simply compounded because you chose a 4th option which was to open a second hostile with a third party after you knew for sure that Sanc was opening a hostile with you. You can argue semantics all day long, but Sanc clearly demonstrated hostile intent by word and by deed. Saying they didn't hostile you because you didn't have a button yet is just trying to 'lawyer' what a hostile is, and I think all of us can agree that everyone has had enough of the whole "lawyer" thing with hostiles. Common sense should suffice to demonstrate when a kd is hostile to you, and Sanc had clearly demonstrated hostility.

That said, the only rules we have in this game concerning hostiles and fighting 1v1 are what we all agree upon. It is your right to say that you did not consider Sanc to have demonstrated hostility toward you. Just the same, they did tell you what they were going to do and you did choose to try and open a different hostile up to avoid that. All of that is really kind of down to viewpoint and really nobody can make a final "call" on it. Most of the forum community seems to think that Sanc had clearly shown hostile intent and that you were trying to run from them, and you have admitted that you intentionally farmed out to hoh to spite abs. That's all your choice, and really I have no comment other than to thank you for being honest about what you did, and to express my regret that you did so. A hard fought war would have been more entertaining and would have given HoH a chance at what they want most, which is respect. People often call them farms and say they hide behind abs, and they would have liked a real fight that was hard fought so if they won and won the age, they would earn respect. Now everyone will just go to your post where you said you farmed out on purpose and hoh will not get the respect they were after.

The only other comment I have, Anri, is just a bit of advice from one old friend to another. Don't speculate on what "would" have happened. None of us can know what would have happened if different moves had been made and things had played out differently. I suggested earlier that you could have sent notice to hoh and not to Sanc and Rage to buy yourself at least an hour if not many hours to initiate hostility with hoh before either Sanc or Rage could step in. If you had noticed hoh first and waited to see if sanc or rage noticed, you would have had time to set up the long hostile you wanted. It's even possible that neither sanc or rage would have even given you notice at all. We just can't know, because you gave notice to everyone at the same time. Speculation serves no purpose. You speculate that Sanctuary would have hit you no matter what, and you are therefore angry with them ... but what if you had given notice to only hoh and Sanc had not given you notice and you ended up with a 1v1 fight with hoh? That's just as much a possibility as what you claim "would have happened".

It's not worth being angry about something that "would have happened" because we simply can't know how things would have gone differently. I'm sad to see a fun age end this way, and would have enjoyed a hard fought war from both sides a whole lot more than what happened instead.

When I was 11, I was crossing the street after getting off a bus on the way to school and was hit by a car. As a result I've been confined to a wheelchair for the decades since. If only I had waved the bus to go before I walked across the street, or if only the person who hit me had been a minute earlier leaving for work that day, I could have lived my life without being crippled. Of course, maybe I would have ended up in the US Military and gotten killed in Iraq or Afghanistan and wouldn't even be alive right now. I simply cannot know how my life would have gone if events were different by a few seconds and I hadn't been crippled for life. But it is folly for me to think that things would automatically be better. For all I know, I would have died a week later if I hadn't been in a hospital bed recovering from my brush with death. Or maybe I would be perfectly fine and still alive and in perfect health. I don't know what might have been, but I know what is. I'm alive and that is better than not, so I've learned not to dwell too much upon "what if". Have fun on your vacation and don't let the "what if"s bother you Anri. It's a game, and games are supposed to be fun. Have a great visit with your family and see you next age mate.

[gergnub]

I am on the planet Earth, where the predominant species is Human. It seems like some people in this thread are off in different realities.

Planet of the Apes?

[tak3shi]

well at least for once Anri got to decide who crowns this age^^

rofl.

[tak3shi]

My understanding of the order of events:

1: Sanc sends dragon
2: Sanc makes bank hit
3: Sanc sends Anri/Simians message saying "We will wave when you drop fort"
4: Simians drops fort and makes 7 hits against hoh
5: Sanc's 2nd hit comes in (prior to button being given to hoh)
6: Sanc continues waving and at some point after Sanc's 2nd hit, Simians gives the button to HoH
7: Sanc finishes their wave against Simians, at this point HoH has not retaliated (and so by some definitions, including the one Prot used against me some ages ago, it wasn't a real hostile yet.)
8: HoH presses button and war commences
9: Simians decides to roll over and farm out to spite Sanc (and also harms Rage as collateral damage)

Is this accurate for order of events? Personally, I view a hostile as being opened when one side has clearly committed to the fight and clearly communicated to the other side that they are committed. The other party at that point has three choices generally: try to do some diplomacy to avoid the fight, engage in the fight, or eat the wave for a CF. This situation was simply compounded because you chose a 4th option which was to open a second hostile with a third party after you knew for sure that Sanc was opening a hostile with you. You can argue semantics all day long, but Sanc clearly demonstrated hostile intent by word and by deed. Saying they didn't hostile you because you didn't have a button yet is just trying to 'lawyer' what a hostile is, and I think all of us can agree that everyone has had enough of the whole "lawyer" thing with hostiles. Common sense should suffice to demonstrate when a kd is hostile to you, and Sanc had clearly demonstrated hostility.

That said, the only rules we have in this game concerning hostiles and fighting 1v1 are what we all agree upon. It is your right to say that you did not consider Sanc to have demonstrated hostility toward you. Just the same, they did tell you what they were going to do and you did choose to try and open a different hostile up to avoid that. All of that is really kind of down to viewpoint and really nobody can make a final "call" on it. Most of the forum community seems to think that Sanc had clearly shown hostile intent and that you were trying to run from them, and you have admitted that you intentionally farmed out to hoh to spite abs. That's all your choice, and really I have no comment other than to thank you for being honest about what you did, and to express my regret that you did so. A hard fought war would have been more entertaining and would have given HoH a chance at what they want most, which is respect. People often call them farms and say they hide behind abs, and they would have liked a real fight that was hard fought so if they won and won the age, they would earn respect. Now everyone will just go to your post where you said you farmed out on purpose and hoh will not get the respect they were after.

The only other comment I have, Anri, is just a bit of advice from one old friend to another. Don't speculate on what "would" have happened. None of us can know what would have happened if different moves had been made and things had played out differently. I suggested earlier that you could have sent notice to hoh and not to Sanc and Rage to buy yourself at least an hour if not many hours to initiate hostility with hoh before either Sanc or Rage could step in. If you had noticed hoh first and waited to see if sanc or rage noticed, you would have had time to set up the long hostile you wanted. It's even possible that neither sanc or rage would have even given you notice at all. We just can't know, because you gave notice to everyone at the same time. Speculation serves no purpose. You speculate that Sanctuary would have hit you no matter what, and you are therefore angry with them ... but what if you had given notice to only hoh and Sanc had not given you notice and you ended up with a 1v1 fight with hoh? That's just as much a possibility as what you claim "would have happened".

It's not worth being angry about something that "would have happened" because we simply can't know how things would have gone differently. I'm sad to see a fun age end this way, and would have enjoyed a hard fought war from both sides a whole lot more than what happened instead.

When I was 11, I was crossing the street after getting off a bus on the way to school and was hit by a car. As a result I've been confined to a wheelchair for the decades since. If only I had waved the bus to go before I walked across the street, or if only the person who hit me had been a minute earlier leaving for work that day, I could have lived my life without being crippled. Of course, maybe I would have ended up in the US Military and gotten killed in Iraq or Afghanistan and wouldn't even be alive right now. I simply cannot know how my life would have gone if events were different by a few seconds and I hadn't been crippled for life. But it is folly for me to think that things would automatically be better. For all I know, I would have died a week later if I hadn't been in a hospital bed recovering from my brush with death. Or maybe I would be perfectly fine and still alive and in perfect health. I don't know what might have been, but I know what is. I'm alive and that is better than not, so I've learned not to dwell too much upon "what if". Have fun on your vacation and don't let the "what if"s bother you Anri. It's a game, and games are supposed to be fun. Have a great visit with your family and see you next age mate.

Where do u play in drixx? ex-fury or sanc/rage?

[DHaran]

Openly admitting to farming out to prevent another kingdom from winning is no different (in my opinion) than farming out to a friendly kingdom, which is against the rules. I will be interested to see Bishop's opinion on this.

[Mal]

Openly admitting to farming out to prevent another kingdom from winning is no different (in my opinion) than farming out to a friendly kingdom, which is against the rules. I will be interested to see Bishop's opinion on this.

Seriously +1.