Hostile Simians style

[Interesting Lion]

How is farming out friendly kingdoms related to a legit war with an unknown kd? It isn't. You guys have serious problems if you can't work out these scenarios yourselves and realize what is right and what is wrong. It's no wonder Simians can't play straight.

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[Anri]

How is farming out friendly kingdoms related to a legit war with an unknown kd? It isn't. You guys have serious problems if you can't work out these scenarios yourselves and realize what is right and what is wrong. It's no wonder Simians can't play straight.

We are the ones playing straight. While many others thinks farming, multiply dragons, double hostiles and waves on KDs with army out is okey.

I agree that we should not war a friendly KD. It should be a real enemy. Not hard to trick a ghetto into war and grow a super bank by it.
Its just that the rest of the top never tought of such BS play to be accepted. Not from what i know about. Farming in that way has never been accepted and they should get shoot on spot. Csarmi was hiding it well in his war thou. Almost to good.

[csarmi]

day 9 to day 10 , kd nw diffrence to a auto ww was between 200-500k nw

and when you make 4 mil gc and 8k soldiers / h ( what he say he did ) i calc i get a lot more on 551k peasants but mabe he run bank prov with no banks who know?
he cant make 200k+ nw what a joke

I could make 200k nw in the last days, and actually I did. As i've already told you, by neglecting my KD aid completely on day 8-9 (which I'd never do), I'd have won this on day 10. Instead, I was set out to win this on day 11. A huge difference indeed...

My build (at the end) was:

25% guilds
32% rax
17% libs
6% farms
4% banks/towers/houses/hospitals/unbuilts

During the war, I pumped rax up, then started bulding guilds. Like banks should. Razed WT's half way, caught them just fine without it and the kidnaps that got through were low damage enough.
BTW, it usually wasn't gold the issues throughout the war, but soldiers. I lacked solds more often than gold. But I can count on my one hand how many time I had more than 10 mill gc stockpiled up (counting ToG mana!).

[DHaran]

We are the ones playing straight. While many others thinks farming, multiply dragons, double hostiles and waves on KDs with army out is okey.

Farming out to a #1 kingdom and hitting into legit wars is playing straight? LOL

csarmi you don't have to keep defending yourself, nobody here thinks Simians was right.

[Anri]

I am not arguing here really. We can give Csarmi the acres back. Just let us know the rules we should play by. Because all of you just keep making these new rules that should apply for Simians and all the rest. Tell us the rules and we follow them.

Pandoras box seem to be opening up here

[goodz]

Just accept that back to back ages you have acted with poor ethics and morals. Simians need to own up to their nubness. Return acres. Play straight in future.

Not much else to be said.

If its your bankers you left in charge they should be fine giving out the acres and should work harder not to shame the KD in the future.

[DHaran]

I am not arguing here really. We can give Csarmi the acres back. Just let us know the rules we should play by. Because all of you just keep making these new rules that should apply for Simians and all the rest. Tell us the rules and we follow them.

Pandoras box seem to be opening up here

The rules aren't new. Hitting into legit wars is dirty play.

[Anri]

Farming out to a #1 kingdom and hitting into legit wars is playing straight? LOL

you just said farming is okey, or not? We are willingly to give back the acres like i said. As long as we know what you Sir Dharan and all others thinks is okey.
You wanna see us grow banks in ****ty wars and stay under the auto-wd range? Really... All is okey with this?
We can find LEGIT wars and make this happen. What nub KD should we drop into range of and troll into warring so we can make this happen?

I said our behaviour of farming out last age was to hurt Sanctuary. If someone wanted to stop HoH from getting to #1 position the server was free to police that.

[csarmi]

csarmi: "lose about 35k troops per day"

How dose you lose 35k troops / day

i saw you send ~50-60k troops / wave you made = so 3500-4200 troops / 4x you made
IF you hade 0% hosp

even if you do this 2-3 times a day i cant get this to 35k

or you mean you lose 25k thives / day ?

PS:
csarmi: "What do you do when someone claims that a white sheet of paper is black? "

call him/here a racist!

I had 10/3 (3.33) uniques a day. I usually sent out 80-100k troops total in a wave, having about 7-8k losses per wave. That's about 25k (overestimated in my last calc, i remembered 100-120k troops). I usually lost around 5k thief/day.

[Anri]

The rules aren't new. Hitting into legit wars is dirty play.

So those kind of wars is legit. Okey okey. Whatever you say Dharan. Thanks for the clarification on this.
There is no exploit to that at all. GG

[Anri]

I had 10/3 (3.33) uniques a day. I usually sent out 80-100k troops total in a wave, having about 7-8k losses per wave. That's about 25k (overestimated in my last calc, i remembered 100-120k troops). I usually lost around 5k thief/day.

why did u lose 5k thiefs per day?

[csarmi]

I am not arguing here really. We can give Csarmi the acres back. Just let us know the rules we should play by. Because all of you just keep making these new rules that should apply for Simians and all the rest. Tell us the rules and we follow them.

Pandoras box seem to be opening up here

Anri, I expected only two rules of you guys:

1) Hold to CF's
2) Don't hit into wars

Actually, I played with expecting this from EVERYONE. It never even occured to me that someone would botch these two basic "rules" of utopia. Call me naive and stupid. I'm both.

[DHaran]

I said our behaviour of farming out last age was to hurt Sanctuary. If someone wanted to stop HoH from getting to #1 position the server was free to police that.

HoH was doing nothing wrong, YOU were. Same here, csarmi did nothing wrong, Simians did.

[Anri]

Anri, I expected only two rules of you guys:

1) Hold to CF's
2) Don't hit into wars

Actually, I played with expecting this from EVERYONE. It never even occured to me that someone would botch these two basic "rules" of utopia. Call me naive and stupid. I'm both.

We held to CF. There was no CF.
It was naive to think that just as naive as thinking its okey to farm non stop and staying under the auto-wd limit to keep farming.

But the server seem to think this kind of play is okey. So we prob gonna hand back those acres. Its just VERY stupid.
If this is how utopia is meant to be played you can lure KDs to war and farm them so hard. Many solo banks work this way.
Stay in war for as long as its possible to farm farm farm. Its one thing if the war cant be won. You claimed you wanted victory and help your KD more then anything else.
You did not take the win, you destroyed your KDs TB etc etc. The only one that gained anything was you and war turned into a real farming issue.

But if the server really wants and thinks this is okey then i guess Simians has to change its mind and return acres to you.

[Nick_mi]

We felt the same way, til day 10 when this was nothing but a huge farmfest that he could and had many chances to end on his own.
This is where we dont think alike. If we had felt any different we would have razed him down way earlier. Ok?

Cool story. You asked above for clarification. You guys need to understand the difference between intentional underhanded farming, and legal lucky farming. I farmed 5k off of inzo's cow. Should I be razed for that? What If I had farmed 10k off of him? Would you of razed me for that? No probably, not because it would of been legal, not underhanded, if maybe a bit lucky and opportunistic on my side.

What csarmi did with that kd: ok
What I did to inz: ok
What you did to hoh last age: Not ok

Also, to make it clear, migz hit you way back then, not me.