Evil Dragons...

[SillyRabbit]

Let me show you (in chronological order) the events of the past few days:

A) May 19 to June 7th ED made 15 plunders into our eowcf. We recall stealing from them last age, so none of us complain (and you can check my previous post where I said none of us were complaining).

B) June 20 of YR5 Happy Birthday Dragons (x:xx) has begun a Ruby Dragon project against us!
June 20 of YR5 Happy Birthday Dragons (x:xx) has cancelled their dragon project targetted at us.
June 20 of YR5 Happy Birthday Dragons (x:xx) has begun a Sapphire Dragon project against us!

C) I send this message to their king:
I am sure you have figured out who we were last age, I am surprised it took you this long. If you recall, last age you offered us a war and we obliged. If you guys will offer us a fair war this age, we will entertain a rematch with you. However, if you think you will strong arm us into a war before we are ready you are dead wrong.
How satisfying would it really be to take us to war and beat us because we never got a chance to be ready? Yesterday I asked you for 96 hours, and your response only indicates that you will not give us that time. The players here are mostly on board with giving you guys the rematch you want, but if you do no give us the time we ask for we will not declare war. If you guys continue with these tactics you would be no better than the 'ghetto-bashing kd' you've called us in the game forums.
Yes, we realize you guys have a grudge against us. Do you want to settle the grudge by feeding on us before we are ready? Or do you want us to give you a fair and challenging fight that you can be boast about if you win?
Cacncel dragon, and back off until we are ready.
(btw I saw this message was read on this hour)

D) June 21 of YR5 We have ordered an early end to the post-war period with LIAR (x:x).

E) June 21st they switch aggressive stance and wave begins

F) We tag NO WAR and
June 22 of YR5 We have proposed a ceasefire offer to Evil Dragons Hostile (x:xx).

We are not calling on the server for sympathy, just providing an update on our situation in ED's self titled thread. Like my message to him said, we intended to war but not for a few days. Why does everyone assume this is because we wanted to keep pumping and not because we wanted Easter off to be with family? In any case, ED chose to disregard my message and waved us out the gate. It has been a while since we've had a kingdom rack up the hostile meter on us like this, I guess ED is just one of the kds who play by their own rules.

The sad part is that we could have just settled this in a war had they given us a few days. Disregarding our message and using some excuse of premature gold stealing (which their plunders was enough retal for), and a flame war that they are equally at fault for means they have some other plans in mind and don't intend to war us on equal footing. At this point I couldn't see us ever warring ED, not because it would take a while to get ready, but out of principle. We are fine with an eye for an eye, but you have taken it way further.

[Zauper]

Silly rabbit, dragons don't care about your story of woe.

You knew we were looking for you this age. You knew where we were long before we knew where you were. You had a very, very, very long time to prepare for us.

You send us a message asking for a 96h CF to prepare for war. The idea that a kingdom needs 96 additional hours beyond EOWCF to prepare for war is ridiculous. You say it was for Easter? If you declared yesterday, the war would have been over before Easter. It wasn't for Easter. Beyond that; we're a ghetto and you say:

[ED]'s strategy still just as poor. What excuses will they drop next time we beat them? Stay tuned

If our strategy is poor, why are you so afraid to fight us? Why should we (per your message) drop funding in our dragon? Last age after you stole from us after we messaged randomly offering war, it's not like you offered to give us back anything to make up for it. Seems it's your excuses for why you won't even war us when we were in worse shape comparatively when we warred you last age.

Why do we care if you're going to war us? We don't. We'll happily sit here and razekill your provs until we get bored or you disband. "ED is just one of those kds who play by their own rules" You pick a grudge with us, we'll happily bury you. We detest land-dropping and we're okay with going after people who do it. You can think of our razes as being exactly what you've been asking for all age. Do you expect us to be nice? Sorry, if you wanted that you started off trying to get there wrong. Here are some quick directions if you want to get there: declare war, we'll have a nice war and be done with it.

We'd beat you on even footing, but that's not a reason for us to sit around with our thumbs up our asses doing nothing so you can pump for four days. It's not like you wanted to war us on equal footing last age, as evidenced by your ****ing with us in EOWCF and being dicks about that situation. You want 5 hours to pump? We could give you 5 hours.

Your kingdom is clearly desperate, it's very funny. Between all the people who haven't posted on the forums in years / registering new accounts to post and Georgette on IRC offering to give us free razekills if we leave you alone.

You're just making it worse for yourself.

Oh, and Mr. anti-fun? We've razekilled one other province in one other kingdom for lying to us and land-dropping. The use of multiples is unnecessary at this point. We play our way, and we aren't afraid of enforcing our ethical code on others.

Here are my three reasonable counteroffers:
1) 5 hour CF followed by war. This must be accepted in the next 73 minutes.
2) We razekill 5 of your provinces, then all 24 members of your kingdom post here publicly acknowledging that we are the better kingdom and apologizing for their rude and hurtful words.
3) Your kingdom disbands.

p.s. Strippers really shouldn't cry -- it makes them much less attractive.

p.p.s. Yes Bishop, I think we both missed the memo that it is not allowed to hit another kingdom if they do not want to war you presently.

[Parth]

Sure Bishop being waved oow is fine,but being plundered in eowcf demanding to war,and raze killing in which they are already doing so and they already pked a few other kingdom provinces when they do not get their war, but if every huge kingdom starts to pk provinces in kingodms who do not want to war this game will have even lesser players.I am sure you got assess to stripper news in which you can verify yourself for the facts.

Like I explained in an earlier post in this thread, we have razekilled one guy this age. The reasoning behind this was described in my post, and it was more to it then them denying us a war. We have been turned down on lots of war offers this age. I havent counted them, but I would guess over 20 times at least? If its of importance, the responses are saved in my inbox and I can provide them per request.

[Korp]

Sure Bishop being waved oow is fine,but being plundered in eowcf demanding to war,and raze killing in which they are already doing so and they already pked a few other kingdom provinces when they do not get their war, but if every huge kingdom starts to pk provinces in kingodms who do not want to war this game will have even lesser players.I am sure you got assess to stripper news in which you can verify yourself for the facts.

So, what about you people stealing gold from ED last age in their eow cf? Whats the difference between plunder and robbing vaults?

[Dynalon]

Allow me to provide an update on the situation from our end of things:
Last age right near the end we were tagged MSG for WAR and the kd of ED and friends offered us a war which we quickly agreed. We were 25 players at the time and ED was either 20/21.

no see my post on page 5.
war was agreed to while ED was in an eowcf, ED being due out of war in 2 days.
Strippers immediately started stealing gold (15million +) then waved us within minutes of coming oow.

Now Strippers complain that ED took gold from them while in CF, then hit them almost the moment they came OOW

it is "even" now so strippers should just play by their own rules, and start fighting back

So basically, in the past Strippers even went into eowcf to tip the advantages further?
It seems like, the bullier got bullied now?

Too many post to explain "I did the same thing you did"

You hit someone expect to get hit back.
Like me, hit into some random KD 2-3 ages ago, got razed to 100a by 25 prov. Though it's unfair coz I was the only prov in the KD =/

[divine]

Havent strippers been preparing for a confrontation with ED all age?
Evil Dragons tagged pretty much straight away this age.
Then strippers started to land drop everytime they risked being the same size as them?
Now after strippers 5th war they ended up same size again and they knew Evil Dragons had confirmed their location and wanted a fight.
How can 4 days of eowcf not be enough? To say that it takes 8 days to prepare for a war seems a bit odd.

I think some in ED might be taking it a bit to far but i understand the frustration. After several weeks of trash talk from strippers they still run and hide when it gets real?
So after 6 weeks of asking for a war i can understand that Evil Dragons rather take actions into their own hands.
In honesty strippers have had 40+ days to prepare for war wtih Evil Dragons.

Divine
Evil Dragons

[Korp]

So, if ED been waiting for 6 weeks whats another 4 days? Then you would get the war.

[anti-fun]

Seems like you guys wanna police the whole community into whats right or wrong,if you guys feel that you guys wont win you can just reject the war and we can just move on last age,the difference this age is that we did not have an agreement on war this age.99% of the kingdoms we met or being waved we just take the wave and move on in our own ways.Seems like you guys wanna start a new meta on razing provinces who do not agree to war as explicitly shown in your messages and interesting conditions.

[SillyRabbit]

Where is this information coming from about us land dropping to avoid you? We have had 5 wars back to back and have mostly challenged larger kds who we have had to explore in war to catch up to. Only on one occasion did we have a friendly kd take acres from an oversized attacker of ours who was 200% the size of our core, losing 300 or so acres on our biggest prov is hardly justification to the claim that we were land dropping to avoid you.

[Korp]

Seems like you guys wanna police the whole community into whats right or wrong,if you guys feel that you guys wont win you can just reject the war and we can just move on last age,the difference this age is that we did not have an agreement on war this age.99% of the kingdoms we met or being waved we just take the wave and move on in our own ways.Seems like you guys wanna start a new meta on razing provinces who do not agree to war as explicitly shown in your messages and interesting conditions.

Do you even bother to read what they write you? Its mentioned above that only one provinces has been raze killed by ED this age, so refrain from using the plural form please. Now to the more important matter, how did you decide that EDs plunder wave into your EoW cf is "dirty" while you robbing them of gold into their EoW CF last age wasnt? Reject the war? Its you people who dont wanna war "buhu we need another 4 days to prepare"

[thecaracal]

If this is the standard of behavior in Utopia, it's no wonder this game is not succeeding.

[SillyRabbit]

During our 4th day of CF ED makes 15 plunders into our kd and steals lots of gold. We do not complain about hitting into our war.

A) May 19 to June 7th ED made 15 plunders into our eowcf. We recall stealing from them last age, so none of us complain (and you can check my previous post where I said none of us were complaining).

We do not regard their plundering as dirty. We stole from them, they can steal from us. It wasnt until after their plunders that I asked for a few days. Like Korp said, if they waited 6 weeks to war us why not just wait a few more days? Sure, you don't owe us that time. We just thought you would have preferred a war with us instead of whatever it is we are doing now.

[Dynalon]

Conclusion so far
SillyRabbit -> Don't like people do the same to him after he has done to others
anti-fun -> Lives in his own world, oblivious to what actually happening
Parth -> "Answer to his own moral"
Divine -> Very polite

[Utopiannoob1]

Took a couple mins to look at both ur kingdoms and I laughed my ass off...with all the talk about taking on bigger kingdoms I thought dragons would be smaller than strippers....but no they are much much larger plus they have more provinces...I thought you guys were cool for a second but I was wrong

You are trying to force a war with a kingdom that's barely in ur range because they beat you last age...rest assured no kingdom will war you if this is how you respond to a loss ..

So you've already raze kiled a kingdom...and now you plan on raze killin stripper provs also...so its not just strrippers you are dirty to its the entire server...

And good game strippers for not letting them bait you into a war with those tactics.

And id say their actions make it clear they are afraid to face strippers on equal footing just courious what was the nw difference when the attacks started??

[Sheister]

Korp, only difference (not taking sides here) that I can see between plundering into EoW CF and stealing gold is plundering does more damage because you lose troops too. A bit more nasty given that you simultaneously kill both resources needed to recover from that. but a lot would depend on execution I guess.... but I believe that losses are unaffected by the gains penalty right? so its kind of a more effective bounce wave.