Remind me how this relates to anything. The kd LIARS hit us to hostile. We set a declare date. They must have known a stomping was coming, because they sent a CF hoping we wouldn't declare. Oops, I guess we pressed the wrong button.Originally Posted by Zauper
In our situation, you guys hit us to hostile. And we sent you the CF. Can you really not tell the difference?
It sure is, razing kill a prov just for the fun of it when the kingdom isnt in war is perfectly fine. A bit douchey maybe but still perfectly fine while raze killing someone whos in a war is unethical and cowardly. But I guess you shouldnt count much from people that landdrop, those kind of kingdoms tend to lack any kind of balls anyway.
Just like you i dont condone hitting into another's war. Neither do I condone Razekilling. What is ethical or not is subjective. Wars/Conflicts occur due to differences in opinions and to those who seek justification for whatever reasons.
Lol a bit douchey but still perfectly fine? Wow! How pompous once again.
There doesnt need to be anything else, oping into someones eowcf, is pretty bad...enough to get talked about in a negative light. As to everything else i can go through my irc logs but off the top of my head i can think of
1. EOWCF oping
2. Agreeing to let someone prep for war then attacking them (w/ops)
3. Refusing to fight kds you know have a chance to beat you...turning down the kd 95% your size to wave a kd 85% your size (getting farmed by SPGC before they taged doesn't mean you war kds that can beat you)
4. Land dropping to ghetto bash
5. Taunting said ghettoes
6. Waving kds for science that are 80% your size for 2+days
7. Agreeing to a cf then breaking it to hit again (also known as using a cf to reset the hostile meter)
8. Generally being nastly/arrogant to those around you...untill u know they can beat you then u run away scared
Do i need to list more and give specfic examples via irc when my kd said hey look whats strippers did to a another kd? or forum posts/in game msgs you guys have said.
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Back then alot of war kds at the time would take the top 1-2 attackers and bring them down to the kd core, while growing chains, you'd end up going from 40k acres to 39-41k acres just resizeing your kd. Strippers however did drop from 40k->30k quite often. Even back then among the war kds this was seen as low, done just to prey on semi-active kds.
Last edited by Persain; 02-04-2013 at 17:44.
You said 'most kds accept a CF and move on' You were offered a CF and took it to war instead. Can you really not tell the difference between your words and your actions?
Yes, the context is slightly different but it's irrelevant: Offering a CF does not force the other kingdom to accept your CF. They can continue to hit you. They can declare war on you if they have that option, as well. Both are accepted and acceptable responses to a CF offer. If the goal of the hitting kingdom is solely 'a war with anyone', they will move on because you have made your intentions clear. Also, lol@#6 on Persain's list above, since that's exactly what we did to you that made you so sad.
We made our intentions clear -- we wanted you to man up.
SneakySeth: 1v1 and not 1v1 are two completely different connotations. If you can't see that, I'm afraid you can't be helped. And if you think Korp is pompous, go attack him. He's in SPGC.
You can dislike RKing, that's your decision. If you didn't like getting RKed, then RK right back, but do it in a fair fight. Don't hide behind someone else's skirts and do your dirty work then. Nothing you say will justify such a **** play.
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What happens when people decide to start raze killing your people in war? Because honestly, this community can and has taken a stand against interfering in 1v1 situations before.
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<Bishop> I don't dislike Ezzerland
<Bishop> We are just incompatible
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<~Palem> I read that as "snuffleupegas gropes Palem" twice lol
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1) seems to be the only truthful comment, which we have admitted to on several occasions. The rest is just speculation.
You obviously are still getting things mixed up. Liars gave us hostile. Why would we accept their CF when we could declare and win? If the situation was reversed, and we sent them the CF, I would expect them to sign it and move on. Or if we gave them hostile, and they sent us CF we would sign it and move on. Or are you referring to this war, where we sent you a CF and you choose to continue attacking for 4 days? CF was withdrawn 2 days before we declared, so you have no argument there.
Uhm, during every post war CF this age we have sent out mass messages to every kd ranked higher than us up to 20 spots in the charts. We war any of those kds who agree to war us. Last age we warred SPGC this way, before they had tagged. We still don't know which kds we've warred this age, whether they classify as 'ghetto' or not by your criteria. Why would we care anyway? We want quick wars and will war anyone who agrees to war us.
Let us just be clear here, Evil Dragons aren't some "utopia police" nor do we want to play the role of policing the game. What we do have however is our beliefs of what is considered fair and what is unacceptable, we're also not perfect and we have some players who should engage their brains for longer before they engage their mouths at times, however they are our players and we live with their actions.
The conflict with Strippers is very simple, we were under prepared and messaged multiple kingdoms to ask it they would be interested in a war of which Strippers decided to turn "are you interested in a min time war, where whoever is down on land surrenders, let us know?" into "come and steal from us in EoWCF". Where peoples opinion on Strippers actions stand are their own decision to make, I feel that it was a d**k move to not have the courtesy of replying before doing ops but equally many would consider it smart.
As for our loss to Strippers, I have no issue with it, I said we should stand by our word and surrender despite some who wanted to drag the war to EoA which was only a few days away, most of us felt Strippers wouldn't have surrendered if the roles were reversed but that is not a reason to break our own agreements, most of us can remember when a KD's word actually meant something over the ages.
Besides the fact many of us felt Strippers were jerks stealing into EoWCF (a sentiment which it appears many KD's also share both openly in this thread and in private) there was the message from Strippers monarch about how we should surrender early, which at best was foolishly worded and did get a reaction of one of our players telling Strippers they sucked in the forums. This however isn't pre-school where you get to argue over "who started it", rightly or wrongly the issue arose from Strippers message to us and was continued by multiple provinces from Strippers telling ED that they were trash and how they would beat them next age, again I'm not going to say ED players did not reply in kind however if Strippers chose not to take issue with what was said then this is their prerogative just as it is ours.
Fast forward a few weeks, Strippers is now Debauchery and has changed some players, the core of the KD who stole from us and who stand by the players who flamed us are still there just because you rebrand your KD does not absolve you of the past, however even trying to go down that route is foolish considering Debauchery players have called out ED in this thread, this age. You called us and we came, that's not to say that all of Debauchery's players are idiots I've read some rational and reasoned conversations from some of them, it does not change the number of them who openly challenged ED.
To our actions this age, you were within NW range of us we are within our right to wave you. We didn't go crying when we got hit 5 times in retal for one hit by a KD 120% of our size, we took them to war as we gave you the option to do to us. However you refused, hiding behind tired excuses of not being prepared despite only ~8% NW gap ~4% land gap and 10 NWA difference, wanting us to cancel our paid for dragon and provide you with 4 full days of pumping (ontop of the 3 you'd had in EoWCF before we targeted you).
Debauchery chose instead to take those hits and do nothing, it is reasonable to assume that as #2 honour then Debauchery had an eye on taking #1 for this age hence as we cannot remove their war wins we decided to remove their honour, especially as ED was also ranked ~#7 at the time. Since you cannot effectively honour farm OOW taking ~70 max per TM we decided to raze and remove their honour, I see nothing at all wrong with hitting another KD to secure a higher position in charts, they refused to give us a war which we might win and they refused to give us another viable way to take their honour (along with pushing the button being an effective way to totally end any raze kill activity).
It amazes me how Debauchery look to play the bullied party, we came for a 1v1 fight and you attempted diplomacy which included allowing us to raze kill a province of your choice if we moved on. Your diplomacy failed as your terms were not satisfactory, just because you throw up a CF does not mean that it needs to be accepted. You're not some KD half our size, you had 1 province less than us and a slight size disadvantage everything which happened after our wave was your choice to let happen.
For our dealings with The Unsullied, we asked them if they wanted a war and got the following message:
Recipient King Enrage Those Nips the Blessed of Love is Grand ()
Subject Re:hi sailor!
I'll talk it over with my peeps and let you know. Tentatively yes though ;)
But maybe in 2 days.
We then get 3rd parties coming and asking us to stop hits on them, they were also razed by outside KDs to land drop during this time and then eventually played the "you're too big for us" card. So after we wasted our time waiting for a KD to decide if they wanted to war us while land dropping then decide we're too big we weren't overly happy. Throw in the fact that we offered to defect out a province so we'd have one less player and drop our NW ~200k but them still refuse because we had started a dragon then we decided to act.
Again, I fail to see the problem with us razing them, they were extremely close to our size and could well have chosen to defend their province by attacking us back or even taking us to war. But instead they chose to sit back and let us kill one of their provinces, this isn't some 50 mil NW KD bullying a 2 mil NW KD here, these are supposed to be "war KDs" yet the second they don't have an advantage or feel they might lose they just run away. Personally I like the concept of razes and believe it's something that needs to be played with more, it apparently pee's some people off no end to be killed in a game and it forces a kingdoms hand, they can lose a province or they can protect them via war maybe it's time for a new meta game to war KDs?
At the end of the day, I think ED fully expected that we'd get "paid back" for raze killing a province and I personally have no problem with that at all. All that has been achieved here is that The Unsullied and Debauchery have shown utopia exactly how pathetic they are. Of course we're all well aware that there are idiots in both of those KDs who are at home in the xbox live generation of hooting and whooping about how amazing OOW razing a KD is but the reality to those not blinded by stupidity is that both of you will run from fights and are easy to power play. Maybe next time you want to claim you had nothing to do with assisting Debauchery you might not want to be caught helping land drop and having people with ops in each others channels to scratch the surface.
Part of me would have loved nothing more than seeing Debauchery's land def provinces all dead now, but maybe I'm just getting old and bitter these days as I seem to take more pleasure in watching them capitulate against us alone.
Hence why thousands of players stopped playing the game...
Yes, that is correct. But I guess since you picked the cowards path (probably cause you wouldnt be able to pull it off otherwise) there is no further point to discuss this.
Sure, that's why... games like WoW and CoD and the fact that the player base 'grew up' and decided to live their life had absolutely NOTHING to do with it right?
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<Bishop> I don't dislike Ezzerland
<Bishop> We are just incompatible
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<~Palem> I read that as "snuffleupegas gropes Palem" twice lol
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We are ok if those sort of people quit.
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