Should Proteus pay KuhaN?

[American Badass]

Actually, it is not impossible at all.
Wanna make the bet serious?

Open a channel on forums or on IRC. Place the players and mediator there. All three confirm that the bet is on, money is transferred, conditions, etc.

Why do you think the community is telling Proteus to pay? 63 people witnessed the bet in the sanc v ma thread...

[PhoenixScorpion]

Phoenix it's imposible to have a hand shake online right? Closest your gonna get is a "verbal" agreement which they did have. You do sound just like proteus "we didn't shake on it plus I had my fingers crossed so it doesn't count!". Obviously neither of you place any value on your name sense you would both rather make up excuses that no one cares than spend 100$ to keep your name from being dragged through the mud.

This goes to both you and Relic. Maybe you should actually do something meaningful with your lives, instead of wondering how much "prestige" or "honor" you have on a nearly extinct, text-based game. Or caring what your "enemies" think or careing about if someone you dont give two craps about opinion matters to in the slightest. This isn't high-school D&D or some crap.

Evilone, I stated clearly what serves as the "handshake" the mediator, which it seems both KuhaN and Proteus required as neither trusted the other so obviously it was not made in the "gentleman's" fashion which require complete trust and just your word. I love when people post things that are oxymorons and try to have their cake and eat it too. So sad when people cant follow a simple train of logic.

I think you misunderstand... Proteus made the bet, kuhan accepted. Proteus didn't trust kuhan to pay if he lost so suggested ASF. Kuhan accepted but couldn't get hold of him to give him the money. If Proteus was true to his word and KNEW he was going to payout if he lost, WHY does he need a 3rd party?

Regardless as Proteus lost surely ASF should have Proteus $100 and as he lost it can now get sent to kuhan? Doesn't matter now kuhan didn't send.

It seems you time in Simians is taking its toll. How about reread my replies that are relevant instead of making me answer the same questions over and over because I wont.

Why do you think the community is telling Proteus to pay? 63 people witnessed the bet in the sanc v ma thread...

See above...

[Korp]

Korp your an established troll so this will be my last response to you.

Well, you're a established liar but you still come here spouting nonsense from time to time :)

Knowing a players whereabouts has nothing to do with what I posted. Caring enough to go trying to locate or make ASF mediate is another matter.

Proteus should know if ASF is avaiable or not, if he dont know what his kd mates are doing then Rage is more crappy than I thought.

Like I said since KuhaN never suggested or even offered another mediator its a moot point on if Proteus would/wouldnt have accepted the deal.

Yea, I guess it was wrong for KuHan to have some trust in Proteus, he should have right away distrusted everything Proteus was saying.

Wouldve, shouldve, couldve. So what. I come in here stating facts after reading the BS in the thread. I love how people go off on tangents, deflect, and use red-herrings to support their positions instead of sticking to the logical aspects of the discussions. Typical fallacious drivel, nothing more.

I love how you tend to use the same kind of "arguments" in every thread you post in. You resoirt to one thing quite fast constantly.

If he "distrusted" Proteus so much, why would he "trust" his suggested mediator without suggesting one of his own. Especially after it was clear he couldnt contact ASF? Why was no attempt to sort it made in this thread until after the fact? Why does no one see this or point it out and instead use poor excuses and deflecting to bandwagon. Anyone who knows me and Proteus' relationship know I would be first one to point out when he is being stupid, doing something wrong, etc so save it acting like I am being biased.

You see, by the time it was clear that ASF ignores KuHan the whole way the war was already one and nobody would accept a bet that he knew he already lost. Let me ask you this, when you make a informal bet between you and a friend of a friend, do you then suggest a escrow that is impossible to reach? Or do you even suggest a escrow? Or do you just man up and take it as it is a between two people, challenge was issued and challenge was accepted so to speak. You been licking Proteus arse this whole thread coming up with "suggestions" why he couldnt go forth with this deal.

I stated a possible reason for why he could have suggested him, then been unable to contact him in a timely fashion to make the bet fair to both parties.

Proteus plays in a so called "top kd" and he cant even get a hold of his kd mates?

[Bishop]

ASF's availability is irrelevant, the bet was made and accepted before he was mentioned.

[protector]

lol@PS.
In 'underground gambling' you'd often see bets made without money put on the table first. Whoever doesn't pay his debts is most likely going to be molested till he pays.

Bottom line is, if you make a bet and it's agreed upon, whether money is held by a 3rd party or not; if you loose and don't pay up, you're a douche.

[Evillone]

Ok so hear is a scenario for you.

Let's say myself and my 3 friends Sam, Mike and Joe go to the bar. While there Joe and I make a 100$ bet on a game of pool. We decide to have Sam hold the cash (my friends don't welch so we would never think of "escrow" but play along) but mid game Sam has to go take a duce. So he hands the cash off to mike. Now if we conclude our game before Sam returns is the bet void becuse the agreed apon holder didn't have the cash? Or better yet what if what if thier was no mike so Sam had just handed our cash back to us till he returned. If our game concluded before his return is the bet void?

[PhoenixScorpion]

Well, you're a established liar but you still come here spouting nonsense from time to time :)

I dont lie and rarely post here. Was a misunderstanding about something that happened like 10-12 years ago, and a difference of opinion. People who actually know me know I dont lie and my background, etc so save it troll.

Proteus should know if ASF is avaiable or not, if he dont know what his kd mates are doing then Rage is more crappy than I thought.

Proteus isnt ASF's keeper. If you think Rage is crappy your more than welcome to try your luck. Somehow I think that would end badly for you.

Yea, I guess it was wrong for KuHan to have some trust in Proteus, he should have right away distrusted everything Proteus was saying.

He couldve mitigated the situation by taking initiative to find another person. Since he did not and never suggested one on the first hand it is his own fault he is short 100$.

I love how you tend to use the same kind of "arguments" in every thread you post in. You resoirt to one thing quite fast constantly.

That's because the same types of poor logic and list of fallacies are used to support arguments on these threads. But not like I expect you to even know what a fallacious statement, position, or line of logic is seeing as it is your primary position most times you open your mouth.

You see, by the time it was clear that ASF ignores KuHan the whole way the war was already one and nobody would accept a bet that he knew he already lost. Let me ask you this, when you make a informal bet between you and a friend of a friend, do you then suggest a escrow that is impossible to reach? Or do you even suggest a escrow? Or do you just man up and take it as it is a between two people, challenge was issued and challenge was accepted so to speak. You been licking Proteus arse this whole thread coming up with "suggestions" why he couldnt go forth with this deal.

You see, it could have all been avoided within less than 12 hrs with a few easy steps. 1) KuhaN started a thread and asked for a impartial mediator. 2) KuhaN made a thread stating what terms, conditions, deadline to pay, etc was of the bet and Proteus also agreeing in said thread to the same and conditions. 3) KuhaN providing logs of Proteus accepting bet, with the same from a personal conversation.

None of which KuhaN has done, or can produce. So he can cry all he likes, wont change fact he screwed himself not Proteus.

[Korp]

PS ill just post your previous quote in here.

Korp your an established troll so this will be my last response to you.

Yet you respond to me again, so previous statement was a lie :)

For the rest ill just refer to Bishops comment.

[PhoenixScorpion]

PS ill just post your previous quote in here.



Yet you respond to me again, so previous statement was a lie :)

For the rest ill just refer to Bishops comment.

Semantics. But your right I have fed the troll far too long ;)

[amokchen]

Dont defend a guy that accepted a bet in public and runs away after a loss :\

Let it be known that his word is worthless instead :D

[American Badass]

I dont lie and rarely post here. Was a misunderstanding about something that happened like 10-12 years ago, and a difference of opinion. People who actually know me know I dont lie and my background, etc so save it troll.



Proteus isnt ASF's keeper. If you think Rage is crappy your more than welcome to try your luck. Somehow I think that would end badly for you.



He couldve mitigated the situation by taking initiative to find another person. Since he did not and never suggested one on the first hand it is his own fault he is short 100$.



That's because the same types of poor logic and list of fallacies are used to support arguments on these threads. But not like I expect you to even know what a fallacious statement, position, or line of logic is seeing as it is your primary position most times you open your mouth.



You see, it could have all been avoided within less than 12 hrs with a few easy steps. 1) KuhaN started a thread and asked for a impartial mediator. 2) KuhaN made a thread stating what terms, conditions, deadline to pay, etc was of the bet and Proteus also agreeing in said thread to the same and conditions. 3) KuhaN providing logs of Proteus accepting bet, with the same from a personal conversation.

None of which KuhaN has done, or can produce. So he can cry all he likes, wont change fact he screwed himself not Proteus.

Why are you sticking up for one of your kd mates being a pussy? The big man (Proteus) made the bet and he lost.

I will break it down so even a 4 year old could understand.

- Proteus makes a bet of $100 that Sanc would beat MA
- Kuhan accepts the bet
- Proteus probably taken aback someone accepted suggests ASF as a 3rd party (kuhan accepts again) - Please not 2 times now kuhan has accepted all of Proteus' demands
- Kuhan won the bet
- Proteus now says the deal was void
- Please note, the 3rd party was mentioned as proteus did not believe Kuhan would pay. Now that proteus lost the bet, does it matter or not really deep down if ASF was holding Kuhan's money?

Why would Kuhan have made a thread...? He stupidly trusted proteus' word. It was Proteus that was pussying out mid bet and followed through by not paying.

It is lolable how any ABs kd says challenge if you think you are brave enough when for 8 game yrs they been pumping ridiculous science @ 20% draft controlling the top 5. All this means is that if you do get beat your kingdom truely does suck.

[ZodZilla]

You see, it could have all been avoided within less than 12 hrs with a few easy steps. 1) KuhaN started a thread and asked for a impartial mediator. 2) KuhaN made a thread stating what terms, conditions, deadline to pay, etc was of the bet and Proteus also agreeing in said thread to the same and conditions. 3) KuhaN providing logs of Proteus accepting bet, with the same from a personal conversation.

None of which KuhaN has done, or can produce. So he can cry all he likes, wont change fact he screwed himself not Proteus.

lol, I think PhoenixScorpion is even worse than proteus. Anyone who makes a bet, loses, then refuses to pay on the grounds that if taken to court he wouldn't have to pay up... yeah, real classy.

[Syntico]

Why are you sticking up for one of your kd mates being a pussy? The big man (Proteus) made the bet and he lost.

I will break it down so even a 4 year old could understand.

- Proteus makes a bet of $100 that Sanc would beat MA
- Kuhan accepts the bet
- Proteus probably taken aback someone accepted suggests ASF as a 3rd party (kuhan accepts again) - Please not 2 times now kuhan has accepted all of Proteus' demands
- Kuhan won the bet
- Proteus now says the deal was void
- Please note, the 3rd party was mentioned as proteus did not believe Kuhan would pay. Now that proteus lost the bet, does it matter or not really deep down if ASF was holding Kuhan's money?

Why would Kuhan have made a thread...? He stupidly trusted proteus' word. It was Proteus that was pussying out mid bet and followed through by not paying.

It is lolable how any ABs kd says challenge if you think you are brave enough when for 8 game yrs they been pumping ridiculous science @ 20% draft controlling the top 5. All this means is that if you do get beat your kingdom truely does suck.

Wait, let me get this straight:

- Proteus offers to bet anyone $100 that Sanctuary would beat A Mothers Advice.
- Kuhan accepts the bet offer.
- Proteus then adds an extra conditions by suggesting ASF (Proteus' kingdom mate) as a 3rd party.
- Kuhan agrees (with the knowledge that ASF is Proteus' kingdom mate), Kuhan makes attempts to find ASF.
- Kuhan can't find ASF over this crucial period.
- Time lapses and it seems like Sanctuary was going to lose.
- ASF has apparently vanished from the earth.
- Sanctuary gets farmed by A Mothers Advice.
- Kuhan wins the bet.
- Proteus now says the deal was avoid because the third party conditions was not met.

You be the judge.

[sheeplovebeer]

You know there are no interesting wars going on when...

[citadela01]

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No.
Bet was offered and accepted, everything else is bs.
Proteus has shown hes douche whose word is worthless.