AMA vs sanct round 2

[Elit]

Lets make it simple.
ABS complain we vulture rage= give them 72h notice after his war and none buged Rage during this time. Lets forget rage did complete same last age. What i expected is Havoc to give us notice same way and i was perfect fine with it. What we go is Sanctuary start op us after post war. Havoc gave us notice few minutes later. Maybe ABS expected we will let Sanctuary run from it for free but its wont happen. They decide to start mess with us again and we accepted it. Now we have hostile again.
From one side Havoc refuse to reset his notice from other side Sanctuary try to get reset his notice "because don't want to get waved moment when we make cf". Its "fair" to be done vs AMA but its "bad" to be done on Sanctuary. Just Another example on ABS double standards.

so if someone robs you then it's a valid excuse to run from a notice ?

When some one rob me i'm take it very serious. Most from time its end with wave. I done it many times in past.
When some one refuse to CF me most from time its end with wave him. For example age 46 or 47 this cos Sanctuary n1 spot because refused to CF my waring ghetto and ended in 2 wars with us. Short before it SG (if remember kd name correct)was n1 and refuse cf, got wave from us.
When some one is mess with me he get same in return. If Havoc hit us during our active hostile its will be retaled same way in future ages them or another abs kd. Don't have any problem to return what i got. My kd chann is #forfun, its say enough!

[Korp]

Lykron - If someone steals gold from you, you will bend over like a *****? Cause some noticed you..

[fwordz]

Better sollution: stop giving notices :P

[guard14n]

Heh well simple solution - Havoc said AMA is afraid to war them. Sanc is in hostile with AMA. Havoc keeps pumping untill that hostile is resolved and then they have honorable war with AMA. A hostile is slowing AMA down so why dont Havoc just pump till the conflict is over and be in better shape when war occurs ?

One excuse comes to mind - Havoc is scared to war AMA so its easier to cheat like this :)
No balls in abs kds i suppose :)

[Anri]

No one is suprised this is happening. The question is what will people do about it. If not now but for next age.

[guard14n]

Well if Havoc waves AMA during this hostile why dont all of us wave havoc and sanc back :) It will be a nice melle just like the old days. The Utopia world vs ABS :) This will teach them a lesson i suppose :)

[Elit]

Well if Havoc waves AMA during this hostile why dont all of us wave havoc and sanc back :) It will be a nice melle just like the old days. The Utopia world vs ABS :) This will teach them a lesson i suppose :)

Its legit hostile, havoc/abs know it well. Any hits on AMA is going to be double hostile. Don't think they are stupid to make it.

[Proteus]

Lets make it simple.
ABS complain we vulture rage= give them 72h notice after his war and none buged Rage during this time. Lets forget rage did complete same last age. What i expected is Havoc to give us notice same way and i was perfect fine with it. What we go is Sanctuary start op us after post war. Havoc gave us notice few minutes later. Maybe ABS expected we will let Sanctuary run from it for free but its wont happen. They decide to start mess with us again and we accepted it. Now we have hostile again.
From one side Havoc refuse to reset his notice from other side Sanctuary try to get reset his notice "because don't want to get waved moment when we make cf". Its "fair" to be done vs AMA but its "bad" to be done on Sanctuary. Just Another example on ABS double standards.



When some one rob me i'm take it very serious. Most from time its end with wave. I done it many times in past.
When some one refuse to CF me most from time its end with wave him. For example age 46 or 47 this cos Sanctuary n1 spot because refused to CF my waring ghetto and ended in 2 wars with us. Short before it SG (if remember kd name correct)was n1 and refuse cf, got wave from us.
When some one is mess with me he get same in return. If Havoc hit us during our active hostile its will be retaled same way in future ages them or another abs kd. Don't have any problem to return what i got. My kd chann is #forfun, its say enough!

You surely complained when I told you in diplom Abs was going to vulture you after we retal warred you oow. Complained is an understatement, you went crazy and stopped speaking English. Clearly people do not like to be vultured, you just think you can do it to others with impunity. If you vulture someone you can expect to have people go after you right after your fights are done too, its natural. For some reason you think you are entitled to do it to someone but get different treatment for your kd.

As i said before the last age you ran a top kd was in age 51 when you doubled Rage with bio. After that age you disbanded and have not ran a top5 kd since. The very first thing you do after remaking a t5 kd was vulture Rage after war with Pulse. Anyone will be able to see that connection, think you are lame, and will greatly desire to vulture you back. Politics 101.

[Fury]

We welcome any ABS kd to come vulture us, but please 1 at a time boys :)

[Elit]

You surely complained when I told you in diplom Abs was going to vulture you after we retal warred you oow. Complained is an understatement, you went crazy and stopped speaking English. Clearly people do not like to be vultured, you just think you can do it to others with impunity. If you vulture someone you can expect to have people go after you right after your fights are done too, its natural. For some reason you think you are entitled to do it to someone but get different treatment for your kd.
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I dont complain at all. Notice from havoc was expected and we was ready for it. Not 72h, its 48h but still good for prepare. What i dont expected is Sanctuary to mess with us again. Its was hell dumb from them. Havoc send his notice but cant really wave us because we are in clear hostile. If they hits us now its not vulture, its double hostile. If i get doubled you can expect same in return any time any age. Don't cry later for it.

[DHaran]

You're right it isn't a hostile in itself, but it is an act of hostility. Everyone knew Havoc/MA would fight and Sanc decides to aid their allies after screwing them over by robbing them. Havoc can only blame their allies Sanc that their notice turned void because Sanc simply pissed off MA and gave them a valid reason to wave (IMO)

If everyone knew that, AMA should have pursued a CF with a Sanc. If it was a non-Abs kd this wouldn't be an issue, thus the double standard. It was undefended gc taken by a non-CFed kd and it was not into any type of hostile. There is nothing to even talk about here. AMA made a mistake and put themselves in a bad spot.

[Shai]

Lets make it simple.
ABS complain we vulture rage= give them 72h notice after his war and none buged Rage during this time. Lets forget rage did complete same last age. What i expected is Havoc to give us notice same way and i was perfect fine with it. What we go is Sanctuary start op us after post war. Havoc gave us notice few minutes later. Maybe ABS expected we will let Sanctuary run from it for free but its wont happen. They decide to start mess with us again and we accepted it. Now we have hostile again.
From one side Havoc refuse to reset his notice from other side Sanctuary try to get reset his notice "because don't want to get waved moment when we make cf". Its "fair" to be done vs AMA but its "bad" to be done on Sanctuary. Just Another example on ABS double standards.



When some one rob me i'm take it very serious. Most from time its end with wave. I done it many times in past.
When some one refuse to CF me most from time its end with wave him. For example age 46 or 47 this cos Sanctuary n1 spot because refused to CF my waring ghetto and ended in 2 wars with us. Short before it SG (if remember kd name correct)was n1 and refuse cf, got wave from us.
When some one is mess with me he get same in return. If Havoc hit us during our active hostile its will be retaled same way in future ages them or another abs kd. Don't have any problem to return what i got. My kd chann is #forfun, its say enough!

Elit, its funny how you left out the whole part of how u planned to powerplay Sanctuary OOW by having Pew Pew notice them, and then wave them right after the notice to soften Sanc and their big provs up for Pew Pew and Silly Cats to take turn warring Sanc afterwards and take em out as a threath.

Lets be honest here. You knew Havoc would notice you. They probably even noticed you before Sanc stole your gold, just as Pew Pew noticed Sanc before you were suppose to wave them.

You planned a powerplay and pretty much got what u wanted, apart from some dude going MIA during the weekened and "forgot" to train thieves which got ur gold stolen.

So why do you complain?


Lets all move on and stop pretending to be better then others.

[Elit]

If everyone knew that, AMA should have pursued a CF with a Sanc. If it was a non-Abs kd this wouldn't be an issue, thus the double standard. It was undefended gc taken by a non-CFed kd and it was not into any type of hostile. There is nothing to even talk about here. AMA made a mistake and put themselves in a bad spot.

You know very well abs leaders idle in 1 channel. Do you think when sanctuary start rob us havoc didn't know it instant. Do you think get notice from havoc mean we cant wave Sanctuary? They robed from us 100 mill. There is no way to let them get it for free. Its was Sanctuary mistake to rob us if they cant war us. Now both kds are in hostile and Havoc need so hold till its end or double hostile. Both options is not best for havoc and its all result from Sanctuary acted stupid.

Elit, its funny how you left out the whole part of how u planned to powerplay Sanctuary OOW by having Pew Pew notice them, and then wave them right after the notice to soften Sanc and their big provs up for Pew Pew and Silly Cats to take turn warring Sanc afterwards and take em out as a threath.

Lets be honest here. You knew Havoc would notice you. They probably even noticed you before Sanc stole your gold, just as Pew Pew noticed Sanc before you were suppose to wave them.

Lets all move on and stop pretending to be better then others.

If we planed to wave Sanctuary oow we wont be in pure pump build oow. Its dont make sense at all. We was preparing for our incoming notice with havoc. Pew Pew acted on his own. There is not much kds in land chart. Do you think they have many targets and i need to help them to pick one?
Drop nonsense. Sanctuary robing put them and us both in lame situation.

[Elldallan]

You surely complained when I told you in diplom Abs was going to vulture you after we retal warred you oow. Complained is an understatement, you went crazy and stopped speaking English. Clearly people do not like to be vultured, you just think you can do it to others with impunity. If you vulture someone you can expect to have people go after you right after your fights are done too, its natural. For some reason you think you are entitled to do it to someone but get different treatment for your kd.

As i said before the last age you ran a top kd was in age 51 when you doubled Rage with bio. After that age you disbanded and have not ran a top5 kd since. The very first thing you do after remaking a t5 kd was vulture Rage after war with Pulse. Anyone will be able to see that connection, think you are lame, and will greatly desire to vulture you back. Politics 101.

Since Rage has done worse(sending notice right before war so you could set up for vulturing right after eowcf) you have absolutely no right to complain when Elit sends a fair notice after eowcf is over, rage had plenty of time to prepare(all of eowcf plus whatever notice period) if that was not enough then you should have demanded a longer notice period. The is probably that you didn't expect MA to notice so you didn't prepare and was caught with your pants down which is silly when you know cf period is ending.
But you have absolutely no right to complain when Rage has clearly done worse things under your leadership so stop the whining, you knew cf period was ending and you had ample time to prepare(hell MA apparently got ready with just the eowcf this time) you should have made sure to either be in an unassailable position or pumped so that a war would have been unpreferable to MA, you chose instead to go back to whoring and Elit took advantage of that. You would have done the same given even half a chance so stop whining about it.

There is no connection to be made, if you wanna be competitive with Abs you have to be ruthless because everyone knows you will do whatever it takes to crown one of your kingdoms no matter what dirty play is included. MA wants to crown so they have to go after you aggressively, noone plays in the top5 for the sake of playing in top5, everyone is competing for the same thing.

If everyone knew that, AMA should have pursued a CF with a Sanc. If it was a non-Abs kd this wouldn't be an issue, thus the double standard. It was undefended gc taken by a non-CFed kd and it was not into any type of hostile. There is nothing to even talk about here. AMA made a mistake and put themselves in a bad spot.

If this was a non-Abs kd it wouldn't have been an issue because the situation would be completely different. The non-Abs kd wouldn't be allied with Havoc and wouldn't have intimate knowledge of what and when Havoc is planning. Hence no double standards.
If it had been any non-Abs kd then yes Elit would have deserved it because it's a stupid move to come out of postwar with 100k solds and 300M gc or whatever the numbers where but when the "perpetrator" is an ally of the kd doing the notice it changes everything into something completely different.

[Bishop]

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