Debauchery...

[StratOcastle]

I'd sure like to see a news article on Stronghold vs Free WaaaGhhghg; sorry to break the slugfest here. My opinion is that Debauchery was beginning to find it hard to get a war. The negotiations may have resulted in rule breaking, but I think the intent was to secure a war. Haven't anyone of you fought a war to learn? This would be a motivating factor for the lesser of the two matched. The punishment is to set an example in game, and I think it's weight is appropriate for that purpose. Debauchery haven't displayed an evil nature that I detect is aimed at them. We do want Utopia to remain relevant.

[Andr3w]

Does most peeps n3rdraging here read majigga's(Psychosis's Monarch, the prov that got deleted with Debau's Monarch) earlier post..?

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Essentially what SillyRabbit has said about how the war started, and ended, is exactly correct. We agreed that we'd declare, that we would not hit more than 4x per province (i.e. no chaining), and we'd avoid destructive ops. There was no other way we would war them, as a max gains slap-fest is fun whether we'd win or lose, but just watching our provinces get chained to the ground is not fun. We didn't necessarily ask to be "up" in land, more that we didn't want to have to spend 5 days rebuilding (hence the limit on destructive ops and chaining). So we agreed on terms and after a 24-hour max gains marathon, we agreed to withdraw as soon after the minimum time as possible if they'd let us get back to where we started. At the end of the day, that's exactly where we ended up.
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I dont know how other people read the highlighted portion up there that I quoted, but it seemed to me that they arranged a "24-hour max gains marathon" war...(What happen with the leftover hours to min-time withdraw? Pretty sure min-time is much longer than 24h..)

and.. "we agreed to withdraw as soon after the minimum time as possible if they'd let us get back to where we started. At the end of the day, that's exactly where we ended up."

Does that not seem like confession of fake war? agreeing to withdraw immediately if they (Debau) LET them get back acres. and confirmation of it? and if I dont remember wrong, Debau members did say as well that after the 24h mark on the war, they decided to do learn hits instead.. dont those 2 somehow collaborate? (let us get back acres to where we started) and (learn hits right after 24h mark)?

[Sheister]

relevant to what?

[flutterby]

u maddddddddd

What's there to be mad about exactly?

[anti-fun]

So you really think they're wasting their time razing you because of something that happened well over a year ago? Why wait until now? No... clearly people got sick of you stealing from them. But one question... when does a decent kingdom have to stoop to fake wars to get war wins?

Flutterby if you got evidence that we got more fake wars pls feel free to email to support,if pls dun assume that we "faked" all our wins.

[Ezzerland]

This is some of worst BS I have seen in 16 years of playing this game.

I got to this part and stopped reading. Game came out in 1999. We're in 2013. I don't want to bother finding out what else you don't understand.

[flutterby]

Flutterby if you got evidence that we got more fake wars pls feel free to email to support,if pls dun assume that we "faked" all our wins.

I'm just wondering when Cody decided to start his fake wars? This age? Last age? The age before? I find it hard to believe that the war with psychosis was his first one.

[StratOcastle]

relevant to what?

What the active top half fail to see is the shrinking activity that's working it's way into the charts. I'm not suggesting that Debauchery's demise is due to elitist posturing as much as it may be perceived. This is why I suggest news articles concerning mid tier kingdoms in an effort to consolidate Utopia as a whole. If you were down here you'd see irc idle for days at a time. You'd see kingdoms reluctant to war because they're kingdom page is dominated by poor activity. Obviously they're reluctant to grow for the same reason. Debachery has been dealt with, but the display of high leverage kingdoms in this looks a lot like a ceiling.

[SillyRabbit]

Flutterby stooping to a new low - trying to imply that we have had many fake wars over the ages. Not that I care what you think, but to set the record straight, this most recent war with Psychosis was the only one with 'questionable' messages exchanged prior to war.
Flutterby you need to find something in life that is more fulfilling than just trolling on the forums. Does anyone here even care about your opinion? Pretty sure most people dislike you anyway. I personally don't mind you, but your repeated attempts at discrediting debauchery is getting.... saD

[flutterby]

Flutterby stooping to a new low - trying to imply that we have had many fake wars over the ages. Not that I care what you think, but to set the record straight, this most recent war with Psychosis was the only one with 'questionable' messages exchanged prior to war.
Flutterby you need to find something in life that is more fulfilling than just trolling on the forums. Does anyone here even care about your opinion? Pretty sure most people dislike you anyway. I personally don't mind you, but your repeated attempts at discrediting debauchery is getting.... saD

A handful of people dislike me.. maybe two... but the thing is... you and a lot of other people know who I am... people don't know who you are. The point is, your kingdom cheated. They got punished. And questioning whether you have cheated in the past is a valid question. Trying to avoid it by questioning me is laughable.

[Persain]

Flutterby you need to find something in life that is more fulfilling than just trolling on the forums. Does anyone here even care about your opinion? Pretty sure most people dislike you anyway. I personally don't mind you, but your repeated attempts at discrediting debauchery is getting.... saD

Discrediting strippers is pretty easy, one just has to have ever interacted with them or watched their kd for like more than a week. btw plenty of people like flutterby, alot more than like strippers for example. Theres no reason to be bitter because u got kicked out of her kd.

[octobrev]

Can't they just get 8 more wins? Fakewar is illegal but having a couple players random around and give you buttons still isn't.

[alan03]

What's there to be mad about exactly?

thats my point

Youve got very personal with this situation for some reason. get over it and move on.

[SillyRabbit]

I feel like a teenager again, engaged in a stupid back and forth with you.

The point is, your kingdom cheated. They got punished

Then what are we still doing here? This topic should be over, the past 20 pages have added nothing new to the discussion.

Trying to avoid it by questioning me is laughable.

I replied to your question directly - I have said there has only been one war that the server determines is 'fake'. Any accusation that we've had more fake wars is fruitless and you are wasting your time.

[flutterby]

thats my point

get over it and move on.

Get over what?

I replied to your question directly - I have said there has only been one war that the server determines is 'fake'. Any accusation that we've had more fake wars is fruitless and you are wasting your time.

So in the past 3-4 ages other than the war with Psychosis, your kingdom hasn't done anything that could be considered questionable?