Evil Dragons...

[silverfox]

Ok since u like to post loggfiles and trying to make me look bad. Here is the logg of our conversation. After you, Cessna and others jumped our channel to badmouth us.

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You wonder what made me join #Simians? I mean besides the fact your Steward had all ready said this would continue into future ages, we had you sending random threats to players in our KD.

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[17:41] <@Cessna> 12:41 Anri|afk We have almost 3 weeks to destroy ur KD and maybe reset 10 of them
anri No such nick/channel
anri End of /WHOIS list.
[17:43] <&silverfox> there
[17:43] <&silverfox> Dip done :)
[17:43] <@Cessna> lol
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So lets not act like it was just your Steward who was sending the threatening messages as I know there was more than Cessna who got sent one if I cared to look more.

Nubs crying wolf? We replied to someone posting about the community raze killing ED, there's nothing crying about it. You're the one who felt the need to post and give your side of events which were a load of bulls**t as you seem to keep running the line about "ED starting hostiles" despite even people in your KD posting you hit first and kept attacking...

Our issues are that ED "casual reunion one login a day" is dead, people have either left who are being replaced or are enjoying doing stuff before next age gets serious. Maybe you should read back a few pages and notice the whole part about us being inactive vs. Stoners in war (in before someone turns this into slagging off Stoners again) so don't kid yourself that you've made anyone go VM who was still playing, some people went to deny you land while rest of us don't care/would rather make you raze.

Edit - Just lol at your Stewards messages, I know we talk s**t for a laugh at times but is he 12 or something?

[Anri]

You are in denial. You take your inactive KD and say you EoA us cause you have nothing left to play for and no willpower to play. Just because you feel my steward did wrong you decide to hostile a KD til EoA. When i am left with no alternative but raze/pk you guys you complain about it. Cause in the start of it all thats what my steward said would happen? You want to hold some KD in hostile til EoA when its trying to make CF with you, what you have us do? Not hit back? Not outplay you? You choose this hostile. We didnt. We just hit back in hope that one day we can get to CF your KD. Cause its not fun, its not something we gain anything on doing. None of us benefits from it. We have offered CF and i dont know what more it is to it. Seems you want all of this attention here? Or maybe you want to be hit down ingame or PKed cause you are joining other KDs end of age or starting over with the KD. Dont drag us into your stuff. I dont know you guys much from the start and never had any issues with you guys. I am offering CF. I dont know what more you want?

[silverfox]

You are in denial. You take your inactive KD and say you EoA us cause you have nothing left to play for and no willpower to play. Just because you feel my steward did wrong you decide to hostile a KD til EoA. When i am left with no alternative but raze/pk you guys you complain about it. Cause in the start of it all thats what my steward said would happen? You want to hold some KD in hostile til EoA when its trying to make CF with you, what you have us do? Not hit back? Not outplay you? You choose this hostile. We didnt. We just hit back in hope that one day we can get to CF your KD. Cause its not fun, its not something we gain anything on doing. None of us benefits from it. We have offered CF and i dont know what more it is to it. Seems you want all of this attention here? Or maybe you want to be hit down ingame or PKed cause you are joining other KDs end of age or starting over with the KD. Dont drag us into your stuff. I dont know you guys much from the start and never had any issues with you guys. I am offering CF. I dont know what more you want?

Maybe it's because you threatened to raze kill us and actually started razing us?

Think you'll find it was Simians who pushed to hostile first, hit us first, made threats first, started razing first. What exactly do you expect us to do following all of that? Oh yeah just have a free CF and lets all forget about it... I don't know why you can't grasp that no-one is complaining about anything how can you even think we're complaining when you've offered a CF multiple times and we've rejected it, if we were bothered then doesn't it seem like common sense that we'd take the CF and stop being razed?

Do you really think that people will bend over to you with the way you act? Make threats, carry out threats, offer some half assed "sorry" about your Steward after you've made threats yourself and then just get a CF. We're not stupid, even with 25 provs a KD our size can't realistically take on one Simians size so never mind having at best 1/4er active, but we'll also not just be pushed around. You didn't get a CF because you have no bargaining tools, what could you hope to offer us in terms of threats or perks that would matter.

I would rather have a grude, every superhero needs their villain to prove their worth.

[Anri]

So if you are not here complaining about how misstreated you feel then what is the problem??

I want to make CF, you dont want to make CF. We hit you down til there is a CF. If there wont be a CF thats how age is going to end.

Have fun

[SillyRabbit]

Ok to quickly cover; AlienLimb you're clueless, it's no wonder Debauchery are such a ghetto when they have people with your intellectual capacity playing in there.

AlienLimb is not in Debauchery. Keep us out of your conflict

[silverfox]

Just correcting your lies Anri...

Sorry, I assumed they were from the only posts they've made being tied into us and Debauchery.

[Bishop]

No, we dont tyvm :)

Id say the other KD has issues when they have put 6 people in vacation mode <-----
And is dying overall.....

You have issues with people in your council antagonising other kingdoms, you know this. This isn't the first time.

[Palem]

You have issues with people in your council antagonising other kingdoms, you know this. This isn't the first time.

I can confirm.
I've told you before your council system causes more problems than it solves.

[Jenkins]

He confirmed it himself by letting us know he gave his steward s***. Actions will always speak louder than words.

[goodz]

Who are these ghettos?

[American Badass]

Calle, CrazyMatt, Chuck and Realm need to go to Anger Management lessons :D its all the old council and only the new ones realise being hard headed 24/7 doesn't work. I Don't even get why anyone anywhere gets annoyed and threatens ppl in this game. I ignore them. It's numbers on a game!

ED, Anri's diplo is actually quite clear there. Regardless of if it was right or wrong with whomever hit who first and razed first or msged threats the deal atm is

"PLEASE cf, we are sorry Matt bad mouthed you for no apparent reason. If you would not like a cf we can not move on until we get one, therefore the razes continues until a cf is offered as we can not move on to another hostile with you being a potential threat in any future conflicts we may get. We have orders up to stop hits instantly if a cf is in papers until someone can accept"

So yrs. If you want to move on / chill out / do something else, send a cf.

[American Badass]

Calle, CrazyMatt, Chuck and Realm need to go to Anger Management lessons :D its all the old council and only the new ones realise being hard headed 24/7 doesn't work. I Don't even get why anyone anywhere gets annoyed and threatens ppl in this game. I ignore them. It's numbers on a game!

ED, Anri's diplo is actually quite clear there. Regardless of if it was right or wrong with whomever hit who first and razed first or msged threats the deal atm is

"PLEASE cf, we are sorry Matt bad mouthed you for no apparent reason. If you would not like a cf we can not move on until we get one, therefore the razes continues until a cf is offered as we can not move on to another hostile with you being a potential threat in any future conflicts we may get. We have orders up to stop hits instantly if a cf is in papers until someone can accept"

So yrs. If you want to move on / chill out / do something else, send a cf.

[tetley]

You didn't get a CF because you have no bargaining tools, what could you hope to offer us in terms of threats or perks that would matter.

Lol. It's not actually Simians who needs, or wants, the CF. It's you who should be concerned whether you get one or not. I don't really understand. From Anri's logs it's obvious that he offered you a CF and didn't want hostilities or bad blood with ED and he told off the steward.

Also, who the f*** cares who the steward is? There's no doubt that Anri is the head of Simians, unless he is away and there is someone else temp in charge. So unless Anri was threatening you with razes then the threats weren't representative of Simians as a whole.

Sure Simians has gotten up to some tomfoolery in the past (Lol Hellrazor....) but seriously I don't get why you are still in this thread talking silverfox.. Some blows were exchanged, Anri said "sorry, take CF, we can end this, I don't want bad blood," yet you continued to hit. What exactly do you expect? No one who has an open CF offer and refuses to take it (especially after an apology and discussions) is allowed to ***** and complain about getting bullied or razed.

[THEjester]

That Baron Burning guy is correct tho. Its not smart to hit into a bigger KD and then into your KD. Intra KD hits are very seldom smart.

lol i remember about 6 years ago when enigma disbanded i bouced from kinking dome to kingdom attacking monarchs i was an angry bitter person then...

[American Badass]

Lol. It's not actually Simians who needs, or wants, the CF. It's you who should be concerned whether you get one or not. I don't really understand. From Anri's logs it's obvious that he offered you a CF and didn't want hostilities or bad blood with ED and he told off the steward.

Also, who the f*** cares who the steward is? There's no doubt that Anri is the head of Simians, unless he is away and there is someone else temp in charge. So unless Anri was threatening you with razes then the threats weren't representative of Simians as a whole.

Sure Simians has gotten up to some tomfoolery in the past (Lol Hellrazor....) but seriously I don't get why you are still in this thread talking silverfox.. Some blows were exchanged, Anri said "sorry, take CF, we can end this, I don't want bad blood," yet you continued to hit. What exactly do you expect? No one who has an open CF offer and refuses to take it (especially after an apology and discussions) is allowed to ***** and complain about getting bullied or razed.

We are basically just razing the provinces that hit us within the last 24 hours now for 48 hours or so until they stop hitting / offer a cf, these hits will continue for a minimum of 48 hours until there is a 24 hour period of no hits from that province. No one in ED that wants to carry on with this has to hit VM / fear losing there lands etc.

This is as "Fair" as we can be IMO. ED have not even stated terms they want for the CF so we do not know what they want. I have apologized in the forum / here for the public to see and if they are not bothered, both parties should stop posting here.

We all know the facts :

- They hit us or we hit them
- Who ever got hit first retaliated (rightfully so, I think Matt was the one whom got retaliated which to me says we started this, (unless hits were made previous to the most recent ones etc)
- Matt got annoyed and msged them abuse
- Matt got annoyed and ordered to annihilate them (a rash move) Anri is obviously busy with wedding plans, he gets married tomorrow, doubt very much this is on his mind so therefore Matts action was not even improved by Anri
- Anri came to try and diplo Matt's mistakes
- Anri Diplo is add fuel to a burning fire and hope it puts itself out :P (we all though this and tbh he had always said "If you do not CF we will continue to raze"... that can be interpreted as a threat / what will happen until a cf comes up but there is nothing much more we can do... the meter is too far along now and the pride of the kd will not allow you to keep hitting with no retaliation...

That is about it. Matt btw after all of this has been inactive so is not even dealing with this crap. Anri's disapproval of what Matt did can be seen by the fact that he is no longer steward but yes any message from anyone bar Anri is never a representation of the kd as a whole.

Once again, I publicly apologise! If all it will take is for Matt to come here to say sorry, state it? Can maybe show people that next age Simians is trying to clear the image it has been tarnished with. There is about 10 new players in Simians, with probably a higher influx next age of new blood so hopefully people can notice a change etc.