Havoc vs AMA Round 2

[Palem]

Proteus ignored my post :(

[Proteus]

Proteus ignored my post :(

Elit didnt want to cf sanc after war last age to keep his options open and have possibility of using sanc hostile to double up his halfers and give them enough time to pump while keeping havoc at bay. This is strategic on his part but it didnt work.

I dont want to rehash old arguments over and over but i am allowed to hold my position that i did not receive fair play at a certain point in time and dont really feel sorry for someone who gets ****played when it happened to me. I dont care what others arguments are im going to maintain my position and its not going to change. Case in point is elit didnt give a **** when debauchery dealbroke rage this age and didnt even feel sorry either

[tetley]

Proteus shouldn't you feel even worse for people who get ****played because you know what it feels like?

[Elit]

Elit didnt want to cf sanc after war last age to keep his options open and have possibility of using sanc hostile to double up his halfers and give them enough time to pump while keeping havoc at bay. This is strategic on his part but it didnt work.

Its complete lie. I was ready to CF Sanctuary after our war last age moment they propose it. Problem is Sanctuary never propose it and i didn't expect they will pul this 2vs1 ****s. OOW we was in full pump mod preparing for incoming notice and never planed to run from it.

Case in point is elit didnt give a **** when debauchery dealbroke rage this age and didnt even feel sorry either

Its result from you and ASF defend last age double hostile against AMA with reason: because we deserve it. Its why you get same attitude from me this age.

[siewpau]

Last Age Headline: AMA Dodges Incoming Havoc - AMA avoiding act creates double hostile

This Age Headline: Havoc Tactical Brilliance - Havoc declared maneuver for AMA again nullifies BB threat

[goodz]

to be fair elit/ama farmed / hit into our hostiles / target shared us in forums.

These were motives.

Also after elit waved sanc i told him I would reset timer if him and sanc agreed to CF but the only terms he would agree to CF were something like 1 additional week of cf and 30k acres. Otherwise he demanded I leave him alone indefinably until hostile was done.

I asked sanc to stop hits/ops and just eat a wave and then we would wave 12 hours later when elits armies were mostly home.

Elit really could have done any diplomacy to get timer reset but he refused to CF sanc and I choose to wave him rather then let him double a few provinces oow and have an extra week to prep (think he doubled 2 from 7k to 14k then waved sanc)

Anywho no idea of current situation but AMA is dirty scrubs, flogger seems fairly respectful. If he deems its fair to double hostile due to whatever teh situation is that is his choice. I'm sure people will complain either way. If AMA wants to give Havoc the free wave or whatever sanc did and then let flogger take all le acres and call it justice good for them!

SWEA and x:x both appear to be the lamers this age. The top is ghetto without abs :p Everyone seems dirty!

[Elit]

goodz, you mess irc talk and forum posts. There is never 30k acres propose when we talked in irc. You offered us reset if we cf but this don't help us. Get 48h notice after Sanctuary FB half kd and FG all gold+send us dragon. How you expect from us to war you after 48h when you spend 7 weeks for pump from your last war? Its clear this deal cant work for us and its not our fault Dorje started all mess.
We was in pure per-notice mod preparing for you and Sanctuary decide to mess our prepare and not let us have fair 1vs1 fight. Only solution was wave them and get second war.

You don't have any excuse for your double hostile. I spend 6 week perfect and CLEAN play for get my age win and this was killed from few idiots. I will target any kd you join in future and will pay back in most dirty way for what you did.

p.s.
Well i proposed 2-3 week later 30-40k land and WW for clean our relations but you refuse it :P

[jamin]

Last age the top was dirty with abs, this age they're dirty without abs (except for havoc), I prefer it that way any day of the week.

[protector]

Yes...
Flogger says 'only war' in his post, but in our conversation about what a reset clause means at the start of the age says 'fight'.

Again; his words. So we're in agreement that fight includes non-war activity, which means based on what flogger said war is not necessary for the reset clause to kick in.

The part you posted says "flogger: and gives the OOW kd more time to regroup"

[Topsy]

Last age the top was dirty with abs, this age they're dirty without abs (except for havoc), I prefer it that way any day of the week.

So Debauchery is ok with allies gb'ing into their war for crown acres? I honestly don't see how this isn't the biggest topic of the age. A kd is literally on the verge of crowning by hitting for acres into a war with their ally on the other side. The precedent that AMA/SWEA/PewPew/BB is setting is completely outrageous.

[Elit]

So Debauchery is ok with allies gb'ing into their war for crown acres? I honestly don't see how this isn't the biggest topic of the age. A kd is literally on the verge of crowning by hitting for acres into a war with their ally on the other side. The precedent that AMA/SWEA/PewPew/BB is setting is completely outrageous.

AMA have his standard cfs with SWEA and Debauchery. I don't like how SWEA waved and gained free acres from Debauchery OOW. Problems is i don't know all story. Its why i don't comment it.

[John Snowstorm]

So Debauchery is ok with allies gb'ing into their war for crown acres? I honestly don't see how this isn't the biggest topic of the age. A kd is literally on the verge of crowning by hitting for acres into a war with their ally on the other side. The precedent that AMA/SWEA/PewPew/BB is setting is completely outrageous.

You're pretending that that's never happened before, you're also pretending that all of those kds are allied like abs is, you're also pretending everyone is happy about it. You're in imagination land.

gooby pls.

[Topsy]

I'm not sure if this has happened before, certainly I haven't seen someone get away with it so easily. Are you trying to say since it's happened before there is already precedent so we should already have been doing this every age? I do know that you guys have openly stated that you would dealbreak and gb other kd's this age, and yet have not said anything more than "they had it coming" in most threads/channels. It's hard to openly say "as a group we gb," have eoacf's generated pre-age between 2/3 of your alliance members and SWEA, say very little publicly or in-game about this, and then expect noone to think anything of it. I'm certain none of you wish that they did it, or had anything to do with the planning of it, but by doing nothing(or even saying anything) about it you condone their actions.

[goodz]

goodz, you mess irc talk and forum posts. There is never 30k acres propose when we talked in irc. You offered us reset if we cf but this don't help us. Get 48h notice after Sanctuary FB half kd and FG all gold+send us dragon. How you expect from us to war you after 48h when you spend 7 weeks for pump from your last war? Its clear this deal cant work for us and its not our fault Dorje started all mess.
We was in pure per-notice mod preparing for you and Sanctuary decide to mess our prepare and not let us have fair 1vs1 fight. Only solution was wave them and get second war.

You don't have any excuse for your double hostile. I spend 6 week perfect and CLEAN play for get my age win and this was killed from few idiots. I will target any kd you join in future and will pay back in most dirty way for what you did.

p.s.
Well i proposed 2-3 week later 30-40k land and WW for clean our relations but you refuse it :P

It might have been 20k. On IRC you said you would CF sanc for a 1 week additional CF with us and x number of acres. The X was a very large number.

[Topsy]

AMA have his standard cfs with SWEA and Debauchery. I don't like how SWEA waved and gained free acres from Debauchery OOW. Problems is i don't know all story. Its why i don't comment it.

That seems fair. I think we should really understand what happened here though while we're in cf land because it looks really bad at face value. GB'ing 4:15 just because they refused to war would have been bad enough, but doing it with TM's for a huge lead in the crown race should really not be allowed or condoned by anyone interested in playing this game for growth.