EOWCF is war or not?

[Korp]

just trying to see if some1 like elu would let his players hit into EoW cfs repeatidly and ignore requests to stop and then claim its not up to him to stop his players doing lame things like that over and over.

the difference here is sa1nts did this over and over and were asked to stop and ignored all requestes. if it's 1 hit then fine you deal with and move on, that seems to not be the case here.

how can a kingdom leader have so light control over his/her kingdom to claim they have no idea their players are repeatidly hitting into other peoples EoW cfs?

I think you are confused about the topic of this thread. May I suggeset you read the OP again then come back? Anyway Ive stated my opinion what I feel about eowcf, should be pretty clear imo.

[fuzzy|]

how sad is the state of affairs that we're actually debating this?

has hitting into EoW cf now become the new OOW vulturing of the days gone by?

provs finish a war in pretty bad shape and in most cases cannot defend themselves but hey look there's a kid with candy.....

as for telling me to re-read the topic bla bla - go to page 7 of this thread and you should see what I was on about.

[Korp]

how sad is the state of affairs that we're actually debating this?

has hitting into EoW cf now become the new OOW vulturing of the days gone by?

provs finish a war in pretty bad shape and in most cases cannot defend themselves but hey look there's a kid with candy.....

as for telling me to re-read the topic bla bla - go to page 7 of this thread and you should see what I was on about.

There is a difference between vulturing a kingdom that was just oow and plundering a kingdom that sits on countless of millions of gc on low draft and no protection at all. In my days we used to call that foolishly stupid. But I guess, you're a softer generation that needs to be pampered with. You were replying to my post then you bring up something that had no relations at all to what i wrote and to your reply, i fail to see what somebody posted on page 7 would make it any more logical.

[fuzzy|]

There is a difference between vulturing a kingdom that was just oow and plundering a kingdom that sits on countless of millions of gc on low draft and no protection at all. In my days we used to call that foolishly stupid. But I guess, you're a softer generation that needs to be pampered with. You were replying to my post then you bring up something that had no relations at all to what i wrote and to your reply, i fail to see what somebody posted on page 7 would make it any more logical.

in your days? i bet ive been playing for just as long as you ;)

its got 0 to do with being pampered - its respecting others who have just finished warring and need to regroup.

but hey, x prov gets chained to 300 - has close to 0 army when war ends and then tries to rebuild itself, go plunder it, go hit a harmless prov that cannot hit back - thats big of any1 that does that.

anywho this convo is getting boring very fast - people play by different codes. i'll stick to mine and others stick to theres.

[Korp]

in your days? i bet ive been playing for just as long as you ;)

its got 0 to do with being pampered - its respecting others who have just finished warring and need to regroup.

Of course it has to do with pampering, you demand that people shall be able to sit on low draft collect money and nobody should be able to touch them cause that would be "Bad". Eowcf is just a new form of fake war.

[fuzzy|]

how many kingdoms are actively hitting into EoW cfs at the moment?

this is the 1st time it has come up in a major conversation.

very few people do it because its a lame move.

edit: sure kingdoms have done it before but not at a strat.

[fenrost]

in your days? i bet ive been playing for just as long as you ;)

its got 0 to do with being pampered - its respecting others who have just finished warring and need to regroup.

but hey, x prov gets chained to 300 - has close to 0 army when war ends and then tries to rebuild itself, go plunder it, go hit a harmless prov that cannot hit back - thats big of any1 that does that.

anywho this convo is getting boring very fast - people play by different codes. i'll stick to mine and others stick to theres.

agreed.

can't see why ppl cannot respect kd that is rebuilding.

eowcf still has war status limitation - science being limited to active, no paradise spell and exploration cost is still high. chain province will still take alot time to rebuild repump wizards.

all i can say is if people insist hitting into eowcf then they should expect repercussions in their active war.

[fuzzy|]

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all i can say is if people insist hitting into eowcf then they should expect repercussions in their active war.

agreed with all you said and will add:

the aggressor picks when he/she hits into another kingdom so why should the targeted kingdom not get to pick when he/she gets to retaliate?

[Korp]

how many kingdoms are actively hitting into EoW cfs at the moment?

this is the 1st time it has come up in a major conversation.

very few people do it because its a lame move.

edit: sure kingdoms have done it before but not at a strat.

So you know about everything that happends within Utopia? Man, how do you have time for that?

[fuzzy|]

So you know about everything that happends within Utopia? Man, how do you have time for that?

clearly you do to seeing how you give your opinion on nearly everything that gets posted on this forum.

Korp EoW cf hitting has never been a big issue, you now why? because its not been something that people deploy as a strat. I still don't get why we're debating it, I agree with everyone its not against game rules but it is lame to do it over and over and ignoring people asking you to stop.

as for you saying earlier that EoW cf is now a new form of FW - lol you're clutching thing air there. The game is designed to have an EoW cf period. FW is banned and is against the game rules. If EoW cf period was against game rules it would not exist.

hmm i'd love to get thoughts on this topic from people like z00t, elurin, cheese, mod, proteus, mansoor, cgg, delm etc

[fuzzy|]

anyway its zzzztime for me.

have a nice weekend korp and all

[qicquser1]

clearly you do to seeing how you give your opinion on nearly everything that gets posted on this forum.

Korp EoW cf hitting has never been a big issue, you now why? because its not been something that people deploy as a strat. I still don't get why we're debating it, I agree with everyone its not against game rules but it is lame to do it over and over and ignoring people asking you to stop.

as for you saying earlier that EoW cf is now a new form of FW - lol you're clutching thing air there. The game is designed to have an EoW cf period. FW is banned and is against the game rules. If EoW cf period was against game rules it would not exist.

hmm i'd love to get thoughts on this topic from people like z00t, elurin, cheese, mod, proteus, mansoor, cgg, delm etc

Back in those days, once a kingdom surrenders/MP, both kingdoms come out of war right away. It is up to kingdoms to set fortify stance and rebuild. Usually the mechanism, to let both rebuild is to agree to a date where kingdoms actually push the surrender button/accept MP. They utilize the time agreed to rebuild.
The EoWCF, technically is same mechanism that have the same functions as the above. This is to eliminate the hassle to agreeing to such terms and most kingdoms will break it. So it is legalizing something which is illegal back in those days. It is the best move from utopia thus far.
So EoWCF is not war. As to "is hitting into EoWCF/war same?", make another poll. :)

[frankenstein]

Back in those days, once a kingdom surrenders/MP, both kingdoms come out of war right away. It is up to kingdoms to set fortify stance and rebuild. Usually the mechanism, to let both rebuild is to agree to a date where kingdoms actually push the surrender button/accept MP. They utilize the time agreed to rebuild.
The EoWCF, technically is same mechanism that have the same functions as the above. This is to eliminate the hassle to agreeing to such terms and most kingdoms will break it. So it is legalizing something which is illegal back in those days. It is the best move from utopia thus far.
So EoWCF is not war. As to "is hitting into EoWCF/war same?", make another poll. :)

very persistent :) start the thread dude :) why not ask, is stealing/plundering a kd in EOWCF lame or not?

[qicquser1]

very persistent :) start the thread dude :) why not ask, is stealing/plundering a kd in EOWCF lame or not?

You make another poll if you wish to know. Because I understand the differences between them. I'm persistent because is logical, is not acceptable as people said is morally inept, but logical that EoWCF is not war.

[Elldallan]

There is a difference between vulturing a kingdom that was just oow and plundering a kingdom that sits on countless of millions of gc on low draft and no protection at all. In my days we used to call that foolishly stupid. But I guess, you're a softer generation that needs to be pampered with. You were replying to my post then you bring up something that had no relations at all to what i wrote and to your reply, i fail to see what somebody posted on page 7 would make it any more logical.

The difference ain't all that huge, it's comparable to somone spite wd'ing from war(meaning you don't arrange for a cessation in hostilities at the end of war to allow both participants to retrain and fortify their acres(for those who might not harken from the days of yore) and getting vultured right out of that war because you didn't have a fw conveniently at hand. In both situations you're pretty much unable to resist whatever somebody throws at you, the difference being that eowcf gives you 75% gains protection.

Of course it has to do with pampering, you demand that people shall be able to sit on low draft collect money and nobody should be able to touch them cause that would be "Bad". Eowcf is just a new form of fake war.

No **** sherlock, eowcf was created to remove the neccessity of fw's(one of the reasons for fw's anyway) so yes it's obviously the new fw because that's exactly what it's intended to be.