Is PewPew vs SWEA fake war?

[guard14n]

By rules, I would think this is a fake war.

However, if a KD got waved, and they have a planned war with another, I dont see why they cannot retal the initial wave and jump into the war. Dont think theres a rule saying you cannot retal our wave (therefore eat a wave) just because you are going to a war.

Honestly, AMA should just stop hitting into war and see what Pew does in their war with SWEA. It doesnt help the cause calling people out on fake war when hitting into a war themselves.

If this was the situation yes but for 24h not to make even one hit on your war opponent and 2 waves on outside kingdom plus leaving your banks w/o def in order for them to get raped is pure farming out to SWEA and ergo a fake war :D

[American Badass]

Just saying how I see it "guard14n". Maybe you should put all these conspiracy theories to rest. If AMA was not hitting Pew previously and STILL into the SWEA vs Pew war i too would say Fake war.

ATM I see it as

- Elit sees easy acres from pew
- Elit deal breaks and hits pew
- Pew may have decided to break CF with SWEA and war SWEA instead of giving AMA the acres (nothing against this if they agree upon a war)
- Pew retals the hits AMA made and jumps into war
- AMA still hits into Pew war
- Pew still retals

Only winners here are SWEA whom shouldnt be punished as they have done nothing wrong but fight a war. It's not their fault Pew is not fighting them back.

If AMA had not hit pew and pew still hit AMA from war with no hits incoming it would be really fishy then.

This whole age should be reset/deleted with next one starting ASAP...

[Elldallan]

For me AMA has now out hit Pew. IF pew still hits AMA after they have retaled equal hits, then it can be declared a total farm war but as long as AMA is retaling and INTO war pew has every right to retal them.

Into war means absolutely nothing since pewpew started hitting out of war before AMA started hitting into war. Pewpew would have had every right to retal hits into war but you can't retal hits into war before those hits are made, sure AMA waved pewpew but pewpew chose to war swea instead, then it's their damn obligation to war swea, not use that war as 75% cover because if they do that then it's nothing but a fake war and they're nothing but a bunch of cheating scum.

Bishop can confirm he has said that a kingdom in war that is getting hit is allowed to retal as long as the kingdom they are retaling has points vs them. EG If SWEA and Pew had warred and no points form AMA had occured AND THEN pew decided to raze AMA that would be against rules. As it stands AMA had conflict with pew before war.

Problem is the kingdom in war didn't get hit into war until AFTER they started hitting out, hence that situation is completely different, if running into fakewar is permitted(and it is a fake war because you can arrange this sort of war with your firends and they'll simply fight a bad war while you focus on your "real" enemy. I think the rules are clear, war overrides all relations, hence you have an obligation to fight said war, if somone hits into war you may have a case for retaling but you can't run to war and start hitting out the second you enter, thats making a complete mockery of the rules if it's permitted.

Running to war with 75% protection from AMA after a wave on them was actually a smart move by Pew if you think about it as they got them extra acres. It is just a shame AMA now feels the need to continue hitting into them!

Retaling hits made into war is completely fine, using war as cover and an excuse is just complete bull**** and I damn well they get deleted/suspended for it otherwise this makes a complete and utter mockery of the rules and you'll see it used next age, for example if somebody waves your kingdom, you run to a war with a friend and spend the entire war razing whever warred you while your friends spend their war massacring your smallest guy or bouncing, remember that intentionally fighting badly is also ok by the rules. This is not a behaviour I think is ok and I think pewpew the cheaters needs to be punished harshly to prevent this behaviour from becoming accepted.

[American Badass]

If this was the situation yes but for 24h not to make even one hit on your war opponent and 2 waves on outside kingdom plus leaving your banks w/o def in order for them to get raped is pure farming out to SWEA and ergo a fake war :D

but. WHY should AMA be allowed to hit into Pews War and gain from it? Answer me that. AMA did this in pews last war as well, hit into it. Why should they get to hit into wars and gain from it with zero retals? Pew is just doing what strippers SHOULD have done to AMA.

Elit has now made the unwritten rule : "if a kingdom runs from you, it is now ok to hit into that war as they are avoiding you.... and wait... THEY MADE ME DRAFT NOW IT IS REALLY OK TO HIT INTO A WAR!"

Also this rule now exists :

EOACF is NOT EOACF if someone leaves an alliance. K?

[goodz]

Thread is dumb. It is obvious what it is. It is a farm war, but SWEA cannot really be faulted. Pewpew has choosen a similar course of action to what Simians did a few times over the last couple ages.

Pewpew is mad at AMA

AMA notices pewpew

Pew realises they will lose and decides to find a different conflict aka SWEA as they are going to lose acres either way and would rather lose them to someone else.

Swea happily accepts to war pewpew as they think they will win.

AMA is butthurt that other kingdom is farming out to give win and hits into war/pre war.

This results in pewpew farming out even harder as they decide to retal those hits rather then the kd they are warring.

Abs had issues with similar behavior in the last few ages. Kingdoms saying things like "if you notice me ill farm out to X" etc. This lead to a lot of HoH crowns imo :)

[Utopiannoob1]

real war..elit and his crew dont get to decide its fake just because they want acres...this is the second time ama has hit into a legitament war this age ....not to mention the deal break...props for pew pew for retalling them so they dont get free acres again!!

[Elldallan]

Just saying how I see it "guard14n". Maybe you should put all these conspiracy theories to rest. If AMA was not hitting Pew previously and STILL into the SWEA vs Pew war i too would say Fake war.

ATM I see it as

- Elit sees easy acres from pew
- Elit deal breaks and hits pew
- Pew may have decided to break CF with SWEA and war SWEA instead of giving AMA the acres (nothing against this if they agree upon a war)
- Pew retals the hits AMA made and jumps into war
- AMA still hits into Pew war
- Pew still retals

Only winners here are SWEA whom shouldnt be punished as they have done nothing wrong but fight a war. It's not their fault Pew is not fighting them back.

If AMA had not hit pew and pew still hit AMA from war with no hits incoming it would be really fishy then.

This whole age should be reset/deleted with next one starting ASAP...

True I don't really think swea should be punished except thaty they're being willing accomplices in what is obviously(in my opinion) flaunting the rules, that should be punished, not as harshly as pew should be punished tho, I think pew should have every single province deleted and if they reform next age delete them again(fyi I think this should be the treatment for all cheaters so the same thing goes for debauchery aka strippers)

If AMA had hit pewpew into war I could agree with you that pewpew would have been justified to retal but hits made before war is something that is completely irrelevant to said war, unless your war is interfered with you have no business hitting out of it. However if you hit out of your war then your target obviously has justification hitting into the war. I think it was incredibly lame of AMA to dealbreak pewpew especially without giving some sort of notice but what pewpew is doing is lamer still by a hundredfold.

[sydex]

Thread is dumb. It is obvious what it is. It is a farm war, but SWEA cannot really be faulted. Pewpew has choosen a similar course of action to what Simians did a few times over the last couple ages.

Pewpew is mad at AMA

AMA notices pewpew

Pew realises they will lose and decides to find a different conflict aka SWEA as they are going to lose acres either way and would rather lose them to someone else.

Swea happily accepts to war pewpew as they think they will win.

AMA is butthurt that other kingdom is farming out to give win and hits into war/pre war.

This results in pewpew farming out even harder as they decide to retal those hits rather then the kd they are warring.

Abs had issues with similar behavior in the last few ages. Kingdoms saying things like "if you notice me ill farm out to X" etc. This lead to a lot of HoH crowns imo :)

As far as I know, AMA did NOT notice us. As soon as we CF'ed Jerks. it wasn't an hour or so later AMA started hitting us.

[Araqiel]

I would have agreed maybe but everyone has been shown this age AMA/Elit will hit into wars if he can gain from it. He really made himself his own coffin tbh wth no leg to stand on and is getting what he deserved from it.

At the end of the day I do not think you can punish SWEA for any of this. Not even PEW IMO.

No Utopia player with any respect would intentionally farm out when things don't go their way - therefore no one respects your opinion. Do everyone a favour and stay schtum, you are talking absolute gobbledygook.

By rules, I would think this is a fake war.

However, if a KD got waved, and they have a planned war with another, I dont see why they cannot retal the initial wave and jump into the war. Dont think theres a rule saying you cannot retal our wave (therefore eat a wave) just because you are going to a war.

Honestly, AMA should just stop hitting into war and see what Pew does in their war with SWEA. It doesnt help the cause calling people out on fake war when hitting into a war themselves.

There was no arranged war. Pew cancelled CF (and EoA nap) with SWEA 4 hours after AMA waved with some small hits to give button, then SWEA declared. Now PewPew +4 hour suicide huge provs, leaving just acre defence, hitting targets in AMA they wouldn't be able to break in a fair war. This also enables SWEA to quad tap them after doing so.

I understand Pew forced the hand to SWEA, but there is only so much ignorance Mansoor can plead. SWEA know it is an intentional farm out, yet they continue to farm those acres. Very cosy indeed.

[Elldallan]

but. WHY should AMA be allowed to hit into Pews War and gain from it? Answer me that. AMA did this in pews last war as well, hit into it. Why should they get to hit into wars and gain from it with zero retals? Pew is just doing what strippers SHOULD have done to AMA.

The last war AMA backstabbed their allies, they would never have gotten that war without AMA noticing debauchery and they know it. So after AMA noticed debauchery they conspired with debauchery to dodge AMA and in so doing backstabbing AMA. Personally the only thing I would have done differently is I would have "dealbroken"(only I wouldn't see it as dealbreaking, pewpew broke every deal they made when they backstabbed their ally) pewpew right then and there and hit them instead.

I repeat again, AMA didn't hit into pewpew vs swea until AFTER pewpew hit out of said war, besides, if somebody suicides your cows 5 minutes before entering war why should you be obligated to respect said war? In my opinion all involved kingdoms should be returned to the state they were ate at the moment pew hit swea then pewpew should be deleted(that way swea don't get punished, they just don't get a war), but Bishop has said before that they won't do rollbacks for any reason whatsoever so that sadly won't happen.

[Topsy]

You don't get immunity to retal just because you tactically deal broke and hit into your previous allies war.

[StratOcastle]

Totally disagree. The weight of the punishments alone evidently aren't enough by your standards. This is bias. It's okay to be biased, but I'm calling you on it because the negative influence isn't doing any good. Let the situation play out and give folks the benefit of acting mature even if you feel otherwise.
@ Elldallan. Sorry Topsy, you slipped in there while I was writing.

[American Badass]

@Elldallan if you actually check the SN of Pew you can clearly see that Pew Retal AMA's hits BEFORE war is declared and THEN AMA hits into war first making Pew's aze retal from war totally legit (maybe pew gave up at this point as they know full well they wont win a war with AMA waving in and this wave in is backed up by the continuous onslaught into the war) I started to agree with you as i thought you meant they declared war and THEN pew razed AMA before one hit from AMA entered war. From this it clearly shows AMA had intentions of hitting into the war to farm pew no matter what)

From when SWEA declared to AMA's first hit in, PEW did not do ONE HIT to AMA. Therefore Pew's retal razes to AMA are legit.

I will post here for you to see :

February 5 of YR12 me in the most (PEW) captured 373 acres of land from Ord och inga visor (SWEA).
February 5 of YR12 me in the most (PEW) captured 194 acres of land from Ord och inga visor (SWEA).
February 5 of YR12 me in the most (PEW) captured 103 acres of land from Ord och inga visor (SWEA).
February 5 of YR12 me in the most (PEW) captured 67 acres of land from Ord och inga visor (SWEA).
February 5 of YR12 I took myself out has sent an aid shipment to happiness and bliss.
February 5 of YR12 myself goodnight (PEW) captured 47 acres of land from Ord och inga visor (SWEA).
February 5 of YR12 myself goodnight (PEW) captured 92 acres of land from Ord och inga visor (SWEA).
February 5 of YR12 An unknown province from Pew Pew (PEW) captured 1,339 acres of land from 12 Cause you notice (AMA).
February 5 of YR12 myself goodnight (PEW) captured 61 acres of land from Ord och inga visor (SWEA).
February 5 of YR12 An unknown province from Pew Pew (PEW) captured 742 acres of land from 12 Cause you notice (AMA).
February 5 of YR12 myself goodnight (PEW) captured 93 acres of land from Ord och inga visor (SWEA).
February 5 of YR12 An unknown province from Pew Pew (PEW) captured 701 acres of land from 04 Cant deny (AMA).
February 5 of YR12 I took myself out has sent an aid shipment to happiness and bliss.
February 5 of YR12 An unknown province from Pew Pew (PEW) captured 493 acres of land from 04 Cant deny (AMA).
February 5 of YR12 Flaggskeppet i en samling (SWEA) invaded tried to steal a kiss (PEW) and captured 676 acres of land.
February 5 of YR12 Flaggskeppet i en samling (SWEA) invaded tried to steal a kiss (PEW) and captured 347 acres of land.
February 5 of YR12 Flaggskeppet i en samling (SWEA) invaded tried to steal a kiss (PEW) and captured 190 acres of land.
February 5 of YR12 An unknown province from Pew Pew (PEW) captured 753 acres of land from 14 Deep in the night (AMA).
February 5 of YR12 I took myself out (PEW) captured 4,901 acres of land from 11 Your army (AMA).
February 5 of YR12 Im looking grand (PEW) captured 5,002 acres of land from 03 These other Utopians (AMA).
February 5 of YR12 An unknown province from Pew Pew (PEW) captured 520 acres of land from 14 Deep in the night (AMA).
February 5 of YR12 I took myself out (PEW) attempted an invasion of 11 Your army (AMA), but was repelled.
February 5 of YR12 Im looking grand (PEW), captured 1,017 acres of land from 07 Itty bitty def and (AMA).

February 5 of YR12 SWEA (SWEA) has declared WAR with our kingdom!

February 6 of YR12 Tala med kluven tunga (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 3,847 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Tala med kluven tunga (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 3,296 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Tala med kluven tunga (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 4,485 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Tala med kluven tunga (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 3,380 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Goddag yxskaft (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 1,486 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Titta djupt i flaskan (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 1,991 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Ta den i 2an (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 1,422 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Ta den i 2an (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 2,001 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Ta den i 2an (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 1,895 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Ta den i 2an (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 1,786 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Het potatis (SWEA) invaded I whispered gently (PEW) and captured 846 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Vara i sitt esse (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 394 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Rulla tummarna (SWEA) invaded tried to steal a kiss (PEW) and captured 795 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Vara i sitt esse (SWEA) attempted to invade Im looking grand (PEW).
February 6 of YR12 Vara i sitt esse (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 374 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Ana ugglor i mossen (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 541 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Ana ugglor i mossen (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 526 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Vara i sitt esse (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 512 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Kola Vippen (SWEA) invaded happiness and bliss (PEW) and captured 701 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Ana ugglor i mossen (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 481 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Ana ugglor i mossen (SWEA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 468 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Rulla tummarna (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 670 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Smockan hanger i luften (SWEA) invaded I whispered gently (PEW) and captured 589 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Kola Vippen (SWEA) invaded happiness and bliss (PEW) and captured 533 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Rulla tummarna (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 635 acres of land.
February 6 of YR12 Rulla tummarna (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 602 acres of land.

February 6 of YR12 11 Your army (AMA) invaded I took myself out (PEW) and captured 139 acres of land.

February 6 of YR12 Smockan hanger i luften (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 306 acres of land.

February 6 of YR12 01 We like big gains (AMA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 181 acres of land.

February 6 of YR12 Smockan hanger i luften (SWEA) invaded Im looking grand (PEW) and captured 283 acres of land.

[Elldallan]

You don't get immunity to retal just because you tactically deal broke and hit into your previous allies war.

Uhm dealbreak happened before said war and yes I agree it's incredibly lame.
War happened after AMA had waved pewpew when pewpew were in no relations at all with anybody.
Retals also happened before AMA hit into said war, hence a case can be made that AMA has justification to this into said war since those warring apparently have no interest in fighting said war(at least in pewpew's case)

[fuzzy|]

AMA and PewPew are hostile, PewPew ran into arranged war so why would AMA stop hitting when they're clearly hostile with PewPew?