SWEA Vs Crownless AMA

[Bishop]

If Bishop does not have any children, I now understand why...........

edit: misunderstood, carry on.

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You deleted Debauchery's ww's a few ages back because that was obviously their aim so you've proven that you're willing to tailor the response to thwart the cheaters, I just don't see why you didn't do so in this case.
But then I don't have to worry about player retention which I'd guess is a pretty significant concern these days. And it's unlikely that not taking serious action against pewpew would make AMA players leave the game while deleting or suspending pewpew until eoa is far more likely to cause several of their people to leave the game.

he's hell bias duh. 1 comment in game about black ops from opposing monarch and we get all 8 wars (7 legit, enough to still win) deleted; and we all know what happened last age. for someone who spends a ridiculous amount of time on these forum you should already know this

[Araqiel]

Okey, you seem very bitter and hateful and that clouds your judgement and ability to think.

Bishop is the one that deals with the ingame stuff so he should know what went down and didnt better than you. SWEA didnt get max time eowcf, if you played in AMA last age you should know this but I guess you dont care about facts you just like to spite out nonsense cause you are butthurt.

I should know better what SWEA did or did not do since I did actually play in there unlike you. AMA was allied with the cheaters, why is AMA allied with cheaters?! omg AMA must approve of cheating!!!

I have a sour taste in my mouth admittedly. Can you blame me? I am not getting personal with anyone, I just think the way the developers dealt with it was was wrong and completely inconsistent with previous situations. Debauchery having WW reset, kingdoms getting kicked out of war instantly, province deletion, etc.

Bishop wasn't the one dealing with that situation actually. In fact 've seen logs of him admitting the situation was a load of ****, but there was nothing he could do about it, as it was the dev's decision.

OK maybe it was not full length, but SWEA were granted a long enough eowcf to prevent AMA from being able to do ANYTHING to stop them from crowning. They were able to pump the 100k acres they were given. How the **** does anyone compete with that? It was impossible. Period.

I was in AMA last age, I am ghettoing this age for multiple reasons SWEA can't take credit for.

SWEA didnt get max time eowcf.

How long did they get exactly? Why did they even get one? They got 100k free acres and you let them pump using them, with cheaper troops and huge protection from outside attacks. All this being less than a week before the age ended. If you think them having the acres and not getting to pump on them was unfair (lower wpa, bpa etc) then remove the acres, don't give them free land AND diplomatic immunity.

I really hope farm outs don't rear their ugly head again this age. It doesn't effect me personally any more, but it makes Utopia **** to play. What the hell is the point of playing a game for 3 months when a kingdom of trolls can just feed out acres and prevent anyone else from having any chance to win? Especially considering the lack of kingdoms competing for the crown these days.

But 48h of suspension is barely even a slap on the wrist, especially since they were allowed to accomplish their goal, it might have been a suitable punishment for AMA or SWEA since they were still in the race for crown prior to the war but pewpew made it obvious that they had given up on land/nw when they attempted to farm out, and in case you make such a punishment you should probably inform the rest of the top that they won't be able to log for x hours to encourage people to hit them, otherwise it likely won't be noticed and all and it will just be 48h of forced inactivity.

Absolutely agree.

Pewpew farmed out over a third of their land intentionally. Do you really think 48 hours suspension means anything? To be honest even if the entire kingdom was deleted, their goal was still accomplished. Still, it was a pathetic excuse of a 'punishment'.

Fear the man who has nothing to lose

There was zero communication from the game devs with the kingdoms whom were not 'directly involved'. Well AMA were effected pretty directly, but we didn't have a clue what was going on.

The very least that should have been done was to reset pewpew & swea's acres to what they were at the start of war, thus denying the goal of pewpew's cheating. then pewpew should have been suspended until eoa or preferably deleted.

Database management doesn't seem to be the game dev's strong point.

You deleted Debauchery's ww's a few ages back because that was obviously their aim so you've proven that you're willing to tailor the response to thwart the cheaters, I just don't see why you didn't do so in this case.
But then I don't have to worry about player retention which I'd guess is a pretty significant concern these days. And it's unlikely that not taking serious action against pewpew would make AMA players leave the game while deleting or suspending pewpew until eoa is far more likely to cause several of their people to leave the game.

We need some sort of official punishment guidelines for these situations. You can't slap one guy on the wrist, then lock the other dude away for ten years. Consistency please. Consistency is fair and all I ask.

What of the decision to give SWEA eowcf protection after being pulled out of a war deemed fake/abuse in which they farmed 100k and did not take a single hit? Devine intervention?


edit: To be fair, I doubt it was your call directly ... but you must understand why AMA players would be naturally indignant here.

Aye, it was not Bishop. Bishop was actually very decent during the whole situation (and he actually communicated with players), despite being unable to influence the decisions of divine Utopian gods.

I find it highly amusing that people that do not play the game get to make in game decisions.

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Pewpew farmed out over a third of their land intentionally. Do you really think 48 hours suspension means anything? To be honest even if the entire kingdom was deleted, their goal was still accomplished. Still, it was a pathetic excuse of a 'punishment'.

We need some sort of official punishment guidelines for these situations. You can't slap one guy on the wrist, then lock the other dude away for ten years. Consistency please. Consistency is fair and all I ask.

let me save you the time and respond as he will: it doesnt matter what anyone says. Bishop is obnoxiously bias and does whatever he wants. Why do you think no one is left in this ****-hole of a game? I bet I will get another forum ban for expressing my opinion again.

[Araqiel]

let me save you the time and respond as he will: it doesnt matter what anyone says. Bishop is obnoxiously bias and does whatever he wants. I bet I will get another forum ban for expressing my opinion again.

Bishop bans idiots that deserve banning. What makes you think he is bias? You couldn't be further from the truth.

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That he said himself that he allowed SWEA to win? And everything you already said in your post which I quoted? SWEA hit into multiple wars (lowest of the low) and farm cheated to victory; we get caught with 1 msg about black ops and get 8 wars deleted instead of one. Tell me what is and what isnt bias massa. Clearly you also have an 'elitish' version of truth. <- see what i did there

[Lurking Ghost]

Abusing war & gb protection in the manner pewpew did is obviously abusing a mechanism in a way that is not intended, the mods should have and did act, unfortunately not harshly enough in my opinion.
Besides, you cannot call that fighting a war or even fighting AMA from war, suiciding cow's and killers is not a legitimate strategy, it's obvious what you intended and sadly the mods allowed you to succeed.
Besides, you're the ones who provoked AMA to hit into your war by suiciding your cows 5 mins prior to warstart and AFTER you started trading hits with swea, your goals and intentions where painfully obvious, I don't mind you punishing AMA but I do mind cheating and not taking harsh actions to discourage cheating

You don't understand, the whole happening, was entirely dependent on if AMA would hit into that war or not. And it was expected to hit !
If they did not hit, both SWEA and PewPew would have been much weaker, and AMA would be able to do whatever they want.
The problem here was that mods interfered, and caused problems both for SWEA, AMA and PewPew.
Also not to mention the fact, that this situation was checked with admin before anything happened.

Elit was simply too greedy, he would have got the crown, without needing to hit PewPew or SWEA.

[Bishop]

That he said himself that he allowed SWEA to win? And everything you already said in your post which I quoted? SWEA hit into multiple wars (lowest of the low) and farm cheated to victory; we get caught with 1 msg about black ops and get 8 wars deleted instead of one. Tell me what is and what isnt bias massa.

No, that's not what bias means actually. Apart from that farming isn't cheating and you guys did a lot more than a single message about black ops :)

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No, that's not what bias means actually. Apart from that farming isn't cheating and you guys did a lot more than a single message about black ops :)

fw farming isnt cheating?

Wrong.

I tried to coax that newer kd into a war, I said "let's find a way to war so that both kds benefit". And you deleted all the war wins we had (8), even though you only had evidence of 1 war being unsavory.

[Steve420]

It is well known FACT that Bishop plays favoritism. It is well known FACT that Bishop is friends with certain players and he KNOWS and ALLOWS them to cheat. Why point it out?

[Bishop]

kk didnt expect anything anyway, just stating how i see it. you are above the law and equality.

How you see it is that you were actioned for messaging about black ops? Seriously? You guys were win trading, don't play stupid.

[Bishop]

It is well known FACT that Bishop plays favoritism. It is well known FACT that Bishop is friends with certain players and he KNOWS and ALLOWS them to cheat. Why point it out?

I am friends with loads of players. That doesn't influence actions. Any further such unfounded accusations will not be tolerated.

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Didnt you play in Thundercats that age, Bishop? When we robbed them and they were super butt-hurt? hmm, interesting.

^ too bad that isnt an unfounded accusation.

[Bishop]

Didnt you play in Thundercats that age, Bishop? When we robbed them and they were super butt-hurt? hmm, interesting.

Yes i did and we razekilled a prov of yours. Problem sorted ingame as it should be. You guys win trading was sorted outside of gameplay, as it should be.

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I figured you would say that. You a funny guy, God.