CR vs AMA

[Darkie89]

"Zauper leaving shows a respect to a code of Ethics many in this game don't grasp. CR is not wrong in this situation. That is not why Zauper left. It would appear to me that Zauper left because he believes in a standard that no one else in CR seems to agree with and definitely no one in AMA/BB agree with until it favors them, because they most certainly had no problem telling people who they can and cannot war, and when."

Ezzerland, this is thread is about AMA and CR. Please leave BB out of it. Beastblood is acting honorable and doesn't do any **** play. U don't believe me? Ask Topsy,Maximouse or others i did diplo with this age. :)

So stop living in the past and stop talking about stuff u are clueless about:)

[topsy's revenge]

darkie, in ezzer's defense, he's reacting to things that prot and flogger are saying.

[Darkie89]

I know, but they are giving personal opinion, not bb's opinion. So keep BB out of it:)

[topsy's revenge]

Prot is insinuating that if he were active he would take over BB's kd actions and dealbreak us in order to not allow us to give notice to a kd that cf'd us with a notice period. That sounds like it's pertinent to BB action.

[Meep]

Aside from all of the arguing over whether CR should be able to follow through on AMA.

Even if CR allows AMA and Pyro to war, and AMA wins.

I'm not seeing how:
16k/14k/13.8k All Human war hero
is going to gain acres over
16.2k/15.4k /15k/13.6k/13.6k 4 Human Sages 1 Halfling Rogue

And leave AMA in any position to fight CR.

[Parth]

Aside from all of the arguing over whether CR should be able to follow through on AMA.

Even if CR allows AMA and Pyro to war, and AMA wins.

I'm not seeing how:
16k/14k/13.8k All Human war hero
is going to gain acres over
16.2k/15.4k /15k/13.6k/13.6k 4 Human Sages 1 Halfling Rogue

And leave AMA in any position to fight CR.

Maybe time for ama to go call pyro lame and war cr instead then.

[whur]

Quit it with the snide personal remarks or bans will ensure and threads will be locked.

even though you made a snide remark after banning godly?

[StratOcastle]

@ Parth-

Amnesia? Plague? War Spoils with BB + accelerated build and soldier aid accelerated training? Dragon plus dragon immunity? - I'm just throwing out attributes, though they're jumbled in my limited understanding.

[Lestat]

I'm going to 'Nam this year too.

[wickedfail]

@ Parth-

Amnesia? Plague? War Spoils with BB + accelerated build and soldier aid accelerated training? Dragon plus dragon immunity? - I'm just throwing out attributes, though they're jumbled in my limited understanding.

I would think the biggest factors that Amnesia would effect are: WPA via channeling, and pop via housing. Might be better of if you want to control those 2 things by massing and fireballing.

Plague - If the undeads conquest the big, might be some plague to deal with in the cow war. But I don't think it's a major factor.

War spoils I don't think will be used much. Any time you see a province with 0 incoming, you smack the **** out of it knowing they have almost a full 24 hours of 0 incoming. Unless they War Spoils their next hit, but that method will only lead to a deep chain with 0 incoming sometime in the war, which is a no no.

Not sure of the makeup of the rest of the kingdom. Are most of them war heros? If it's just the biggies, I can see them getting protection from Sapphire dragons to help against nm/ns runs, which is pretty huge. But Im sure there are still plenty of targets for pyro to do a nm/ns run on that is not protected by war hero. And you need your biggies dealing with the funding/killing of a dragon regardless of their personality.

Fast training time means for some fast pumping via the enemy. Which can be countered somewhat by pyro doing regular intel updates. If they don't update for 7 hours and something gets out of hand due to a cow pumping, well then that's their fault and should be punished/lose. But regular intel checkups can easily counter any "fast" plans that AMA might try to pull.

[Realest]

Thank god I don't play anymore with this type of scrub play.

[Ezzerland]

"Zauper leaving shows a respect to a code of Ethics many in this game don't grasp. CR is not wrong in this situation. That is not why Zauper left. It would appear to me that Zauper left because he believes in a standard that no one else in CR seems to agree with and definitely no one in AMA/BB agree with until it favors them, because they most certainly had no problem telling people who they can and cannot war, and when."

Ezzerland, this is thread is about AMA and CR. Please leave BB out of it. Beastblood is acting honorable and doesn't do any **** play. U don't believe me? Ask Topsy,Maximouse or others i did diplo with this age. :)

So stop living in the past and stop talking about stuff u are clueless about:)

I should not have said "no one" in AMA/BB, and for that I apologize.

[PhoenixScorpion]

Zauper left to nam and abandoned because he was out of sit time. He will be back after he returns. Zauper going on vacation has historically meant it is time for us to war AMA.

Someone from ama has only come to me once and at that time they said that not only should we not be allowed to hit them after waiting till notice is up but that they deserved a longer extension with an increase to the notice period. I have heard nothing from their leadership since this time. It's unclear why, based on this situation, we wouldn't notice our #1 competitor when cf runs out or why we wouldn't engage them at the end of that notice period.

Also, it's highly unreasonable to claim that a kd is unethical for not letting someone else have a particular war when you are stating such in an attempt to make that kd not have a particular war.

According to discussion Zauper had with Elit he left because of:

He don't agree with it and told his kd he will leave if they insist this and his "friends" told him he can leave but they will double hostile us.

[22:07] <zapalt> i tell them i will quit if that's what they want to do
[22:07] <zapalt> and they still think it's ok
[22:07] <Elit> lol
[22:07] <Elit> they choice notice us over you?
[22:07] <Elit> i cant believe it
[22:07] <Elit> you are supposed to be in kd with frends
[22:07] <zapalt> i'm working on it :P
[22:08] <zapalt> their ethics are just completely different

[05:36] <zapalt> k, sorry bud. I'm abandoning when I get home from work tomorrow, they won't extend unless you're willing to give them something.
[05:42] <Elit> stupid ppl


p.s Zauper was smart enough to value my stay away from CR last 3 ages and leave you and BB have fair 1vs1 run. Its why we both had keep fair deals and play . With n00bs take over decision and build grudge with me and bb same time its will result you disband.

So which is it? Did he lie to Elit to try to avoid blow-back on his return? Or was he just simply out of sitting, seems a bit coincidental he abandons at the particular time when he told Elit he would leave. Also many of your members claimed in #tactics he was retiring, seems can never get them stories straight. LMAO

[Cello]

Zauper left to nam and abandoned because he was out of sit time. He will be back after he returns. Zauper going on vacation has historically meant it is time for us to war AMA.

Someone from ama has only come to me once and at that time they said that not only should we not be allowed to hit them after waiting till notice is up but that they deserved a longer extension with an increase to the notice period. I have heard nothing from their leadership since this time. It's unclear why, based on this situation, we wouldn't notice our #1 competitor when cf runs out or why we wouldn't engage them at the end of that notice period.

Also, it's highly unreasonable to claim that a kd is unethical for not letting someone else have a particular war when you are stating such in an attempt to make that kd not have a particular war.

Zauper told us he would retire after this age and that he's abandoning BECAUSE of this situation. He was sat earlier this age, but not for three weeks, so his sit time was not up. His retirement just came sooner than expected because he doesn't appreciate the shady tactics employed by Havoc throughout the age, not just in this conflict.

Also, there have been talks with your leadership, just not with you. And these talks all ended in the same result: an unreasonable demand by Havoc, thinking that they have the right to tell us who to war and when. We still have a say in what we do, to who and when to do it, and until that time Havoc's going to have to fight if they want to take these acres from us. Preferably a fair fight, but that seems to be too much to ask.

Ezzerland (and others that criticized earlier this thread), I can name you at least two examples where AMA was in a similar, powerful situation against other kingdoms and did not dictate who they would war or when. For starters, two ages ago I believe it was, our CF with Rage ran out. At the time Drixx approached us with the question if we would extend so that they could war someone else. We didn't have to, we were in a powerful position and we could've easily forced a deal on them like Havoc did to Simians this age, a tax on their acres or a guaranteed war with us. Instead we extended our CF with them and left them alone for the rest of the age, to keep things civil and to not unnecessarily create any grudges when obviously Rage had no intention of warring us.
Secondly, when we warred HoH last age we could have noticed, and we told HoH that we would notice them. But because they had recently warred, and because we had so many advantages over them, when tak3shi came to us to ask for a few days extra preparation before our war, we gave them the extra days (which they then used to draw it out longer with a fortified period, into which we did not hit).
Similarly, had we been in the position Havoc was in now, and we were asked to keep the notice period intact while they go war another kingdom (not an increase in notice, like topsy makes everyone believe up there), after which we would still easily be in a position to farm them out, we would have given them that courtesy. A courtesy that Zauper was willing to extend to us, but that the rest of his shady council can't seem to bring up.

Being one of the dominating kingdoms in the game comes with a responsibility. A responsibility to keep things fair and even in the top, and sometimes this requires you to turn a kingdoms 0% chances into 10% by letting them war another kingdom and reaping the benefits afterwards. Havoc have clearly shown that they value quick success over morality. We'll see where it brings them.

[Bishop]

even though you made a snide remark after banning godly?

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