CR vs AMA

[Anri]

[21:42]




did you had any problems for get cf from us this age after our hostile?

[21:40] <Anri> hi
[21:41] <Elit> hi
[21:41] <Anri> Do you want to make a CF til yr10 or yr11 with us?
[21:41] <Elit> if you want we can

Say again its was hard for you to get CF from us.

No, problems and a cease fire serves two kds, not only one. Get ur thumb out of your ass, late age is FSU and were letting you fight both Pyro and CR. Cease fire serves both KDs, but you are to arrogant and to ignorant to understand it.
Even small ghettos can ruin explore/pump before fights. Our cease fire is probably worth more to you then it is to us because we have nothing to lose to your KD. Are you so arrogant so that you beleive we made friends or something? You waved us many many times and you broke your word and lied and ****ted on my KD. lol

Are you even for real... Dont take the cease fire if you dont want it!

[Vivic]

If you are happy from deal you made its ok anri :)
peace!

this is common behavior Elit. If you beat someone he will respect you, if you are nice he will think you are weak and will not respect you. Next time tax Simians as much as you can for every day they exist in the game and you will be Anri's best buddy :)

[Band of Horses]

No, problems and a cease fire serves two kds, not only one. Get ur thumb out of your ass, late age is FSU and were letting you fight both Pyro and CR. Cease fire serves both KDs, but you are to arrogant and to ignorant to understand it.
Even small ghettos can ruin explore/pump before fights. Our cease fire is probably worth more to you then it is to us because we have nothing to lose to your KD. Are you so arrogant so that you beleive we made friends or something? You waved us many many times and you broke your word and lied and ****ted on my KD. lol

Are you even for real... Dont take the cease fire if you dont want it!

You seem mad. Can I cheer you up with a monkey pic?

[karaso]

Does he cry like a little girl?

No, problems and a cease fire serves two kds, not only one. Get ur thumb out of your ass, late age is FSU and were letting you fight both Pyro and CR. Cease fire serves both KDs, but you are to arrogant and to ignorant to understand it.
Even small ghettos can ruin explore/pump before fights. Our cease fire is probably worth more to you then it is to us because we have nothing to lose to your KD. Are you so arrogant so that you beleive we made friends or something? You waved us many many times and you broke your word and lied and ****ted on my KD. lol

Are you even for real... Dont take the cease fire if you dont want it!

[TheOne]

Havent been around to do some keyboard warring cause I've been bz rl... but my keyboard misses me...

I hereby declare that I am being neutral in all my comments below. If any party is unhappy or upset or pissed, feel free to talk to me.. because what I'll post are unbiased opinions.

ok let me get this straight. if CR wars AMA pyro has no issues warring the winner or loser correct? then why is elit crying? he has a week to get his affairs in order and prepare for war. Pyro is the new guy in land whores. so shouldnt they sit back and wait their shot after this war? i mean if i was pyro and i had their confidence i would want to war the winner. just to see if i could hang. Nesta and CJ again i mean no disrespect towards you. i just dont understand why elit is so afraid of CR. AMA has done so well.

Nope, this is totally untrue. 1 of the main reasons for all the hoo-haas is that if AMA-CR go to war, Pyro can just pack shop and we can just take turns to VM till end of age.. Because there is zero chance that we will win the winner of AMA-CR. In addition, doesnt matter how good AMA/pyro is, a war vs CR rigt now is basically semi suicide with the land advantage + science advantage that CR has. This is even before AMA had ghetto razing problems. Even if AMA/Pyro were to have the best 25 players in uto and CR were to have the worst 25 players, war will still be lopsided.

Pyro asked us for extend cf before his war with you and we made it for 2 weeks so they wont feel like we want to vulture them.
You got extend from us before your hostile/war with pew pew.
My cfs is not stupid im make them fair.
Dont know why im keep being nice with you. Its clear you don't value it. Guess you prefer havoc rules for tax you...

To be honest, I am quite surprised that Elit readily extended his CF with Pyro before Pyro-Simians war and towards the end of AMA-Rage war. I tried to think hard and long why the f*** would Elit extend our CF?

I tried to see from AMA's point of view. They would need to shoot cows and whore their bottom chained after the war vs Rage, but from what I knew, they already had their threats CF-ed except Pyro at that moment in time. In addition, AMA probably knew that they have at least 1 week to double cows+prepare vs Pyro (excluding notice period) minimally before Pyro-Simians war end. That is enough time from what I calculated. Maybe it could be that Elit/AMA was afraid that Pyro-Simians war wont happen and Pyro will be waiting to 'vulture' AMA post AMA-Rage. But at that moment of time, Pyros knows that is a huge gamble because we would be basically much smaller in size but probably slightly more pumped.. and warring Simians was by far the best plan to proceed on with age.

So unless Elit/AMA made an oversight and didnt do enough calculations to know that a CF with Pyro isnt that neccessary or that they have some hideous plans which I dont know yet, I am more obliged to think that AMA wanted to play 'fair' with Pyro. Elit says he doesnt need to 'vulture' Pyro to win in a 'fair' 1v1 war, and I respect him for his frank opinion. Once again, this is just Pyro-AMA interaction. I dont know what AMA has done to other kingdoms.

[21:42] <Anri> i tought so, we are down after havocs silly demand of 20% of our acres to them
[21:43] <Anri> because it was 10% tax on letting us fight pewpew and 10% tax letting us fight pyromaniacs
[21:43] <Anri> without them interfering

If I am Simians, would I accept the deal that CR proposed? Letting me grow peacefully and so that I can potentially take out my arch enemies Pew Pew and Pyro. And at the end of the day, if I were to 'win' both wars, I will just have to agree on a forced war with CR where I will probably just max gains and WD mintime.

If I am CR, would I do such a deal? Pew Pew + Pyro are our threats when our CF expire towards the late age.. Why not make a deal with Simians to let them slow both of them down why I will just happily pump science and prepare to tax Simians(if they didnt win both wars) or War Simians (if they 'win' both wars, and this is easy war with my advantage). This is like win-win for me.

It is interesting to be in either Simians or CR position, and I guess I understand why both parties did such a deal.

Well, maybe both kingdoms think it's fine and fair for both parties. I can understand what both sides were thinking. But after I realised this that CR+Simiains had a deal together (i.e working together..) (I actually thought AMA-Simians were in an alliance in midage to kill meeee), from Pyro's point of view, I'm like wtf. I am not sure how Pew Pew feels. In fact, I have some inclination to feel that CR felt that Simians will beat Pyro and hence secure their age win from then on.

1 of the absurb conversations that I had with 1 of the CR guys recently (identity wont be revealed) was that he mentioned that Pyro should let AMA-CR war peacefully and Pyro shouldnt come and crash the 'party' (though once again, ama-pyro, ama-cr cf ends same timing). And his rationale was that CR allowed Pyro to war Simians and were nice to Pyro to let us war Simians.. Why so? Because CR didnt wave Simians and cause them to be out of range before Pyro-Simians. And that we should be thankful to CR for the cow acres + nett ww land bonus from Simians war.

I was like wtf? Your plan was to cooperate with Simians to stall Pyro and possibly for Simians to win Pyro. And CR themselves also got 20k acres from Simians post Pyro-Simians, and these were free acres unlike Pyro needing to get them in war (and we only nett 15k acres). I mean, yes I understand why CR+Simians were doing what they did.. but at least be upfront about it instead of using the excuse that CR let Simians to war Pyro, and hnce Pyro should be nice enough to let CR war AMA.

-cJ

[topsy's revenge]

Anyone in CR who wanted simians to war you guys would have had to be a complete idiot. Many were very scared of an event where simians loses badly(particularly to your cows). As it was that war led to the current situation where you could convince ama to war you instead of us warring ama.

To simians credit they warred from a size disadvantage and bank disadvantage and did not lose poorly at all. Nonetheles, the reason we extended cf until after they warred you was because Anri really wanted to war you/pew2 and he's been very straightforward with us ever since the leadership took over here 2 ages ago.

[StratOcastle]

Thank you for opening up so freely TheOne. With topsy's perspective it offers clarity, with respect to bias. Makes the diplomacy worth following, thanks.

In addition I've had a moment to hit the nw tab on each of Pyro, AMA-PB, CR kingdom pages. AMA-PB running a beautiful delta pattern; kidding aside, I like the placement of the sturdy defense and ops position. I recognize this.
Pyro looks well positioned to hold their top and it's tough to op so many orc without wobbling from reflect.
CR is daunting in that 3/4 of the nw tier is bristling with the sturdy defense of elves with heavy attacker support. The top has belts of op and sabotage challenges that make killer objectives difficult to secure. I can certainly see why AMA-PB perceive a nw clamp on their center.

[Band of Horses]

If everything is played out fairly, CR has the age in the bag at this point. But I still have faith in a late age farm out.

[Meep]

How much resources is this Remote issue costing AMA to deal with?

Seems like a ton of time and money and troops lost to ultimately gain a few thousand acres on core but lose thousands on cows.

[Spice]

Pyro can war the looser of ama-cr:) problem solved

[scitzo]

Just war already

[protector]

darkie, in ezzer's defense, he's reacting to things that prot and flogger are saying.

Ezzer just doesn't like flogger/BB and I guess he doesn't like me either :p

LOL @ this whoever this noob is...

Just using the same logic your kingdom has been using the last few ages ;) (I'm assuming you play in Havoc)

[protector]

Prot is insinuating that if he were active he would take over BB's kd actions and dealbreak us in order to not allow us to give notice to a kd that cf'd us with a notice period. That sounds like it's pertinent to BB action.

Stop fabricating bull**** :|
I made 2 posts (#78 and #80), neither of which say anything along those lines. I think an apology is in order, eh?

[topsy's revenge]

my b, not sure what i was reading to say that.

edit: yeah sry bout that prot, just rechecked whole thread and I have literally no idea where I got that from. Might have been #81 since it was right after you and only one deleted

[Band of Horses]

my b, not sure what i was reading to say that.

edit: yeah sry bout that prot, just rechecked whole thread and I have literally no idea where I got that from. Might have been #81 since it was right after you and only one deleted

It takes a big man to admit fault. That's it I am now #TeamTopsy.