CR vs AMA

[scitzo]

AMA did something really bad, wonder who till take action against AMA

[flogger]

The next few days here will determine what the state of diplomacy will be in Utopia. No action from the top means CFs mean nothing and we will make whoring rather difficult (I kind of hope for this). If action is taken, we will have to refer to PB as dealbreakers for the next 2.5 ages.

There's usually a pretty big dealbreak every few ages, I think people are overstating the impact this one of 10,000 dealbreaks will have going forward.

[Nitram]

I think AMA might regret this. Its fun during the wave but might leave a bitter aftertaste, the good run of warwins will be forgotten and the dealbreak will be remembered. Why did AMA need to point out Elit didnt lead the wave, embarressed?

[Heathcliff]

i couldnt see nesta/cj reaction from this dealbreak, pyro's future crown depends on this outcome.

i would say, if pyro/pew/simians/rage wont do anything on this issue, CF term in utopia wont exist anymore. its a free for all war for the next age!

[Runefire]

i would say, if pyro/pew/simians/rage wont do anything on this issue, CF term in utopia wont exist anymore. its a free for all war for the next age!

As it should be.

[Band of Horses]

There's usually a pretty big dealbreak every few ages, I think people are overstating the impact this one of 10,000 dealbreaks will have going forward.

I think we can all agree this is the funniest dealbreak. I really hope this results in no CFs at the top just constant fear of conflict. This is not a time of peace, this is a time of war.

[MaRCoRoXoR]

I will remember this as the age that PB fought their way to the top and CR out diploed the server and just whore/taxed to the top (using a similar whore start as their last age but with the CFs in place this time). Then CR's greatest strength turned into its greatest weakness as the Polar Bears ignored their diplo. The next few days here will determine what the state of diplomacy will be in Utopia. No action from the top means CFs mean nothing and we will make whoring rather difficult (I kind of hope for this). If action is taken, we will have to refer to PB as dealbreakers for the next 2.5 ages.

Well then, All top KD will just wait when will AMA dealbreaks again when they feel threaten to make sure they'll go ahead no.1. So any other Top KD's who are not thier ALLIES is just waiting when will AMA dealbreaks again. TOP KD needs to work on it now and agree to disagree on whats going on. ALL TOP KD who are not allied with this no.1 KD is hopeless as hell. Wasting time and waiting for AMA to take action:) Should have done something earlier and theres always another time. NEXT AGE, NEXT NEXT AGE. Forever. Sad to say even the best KD cant compete against many. So they'll end up asking for more allies now and get ready for next age because they made another grudge to a complete SKD. Same thing happens when CR dealbreaks AMA, but they choose not to and it was a good choice. People who surrounds utopia dont matter how badly the victim was. Even if it doesnt matter to the dealbreakers on how people say, It does to the community. Respect is something earned.

[Band of Horses]

Well then, All top KD will just wait when will AMA dealbreaks again when they feel threaten to make sure they'll go ahead no.1. So any other Top KD's who are not thier ALLIES is just waiting when will AMA dealbreaks again. TOP KD needs to work on it now and agree to disagree on whats going on. ALL TOP KD who are not allied with this no.1 KD is hopeless as hell. Wasting time and waiting for AMA to take action:) Should have done something earlier and theres always another time. NEXT AGE, NEXT NEXT AGE. Forever. Sad to say even the best KD cant compete against many. So they'll end up asking for more allies now and get ready for next age because they made another grudge to a complete SKD. Same thing happens when CR dealbreaks AMA, but they choose not to and it was a good choice. People who surrounds utopia dont matter how badly the victim was. Even if it doesnt matter to the dealbreakers on how people say, It does to the community. Respect is something earned.

No offense but was this intentionally Elitish?

From what I can make of your statements you think AMA is going to need more allies next age to handle the grudge they just made with CR. I don't think this is the case. I think it is more of a situation like Pew vs AMA. And remember everyone starts at 400 acres, on even ground AMA doesn't lose. So if CR gives loc early like they did this age, it is going to happen before anyone can have an edge. CR doesn't have allies to build into the grudge so why does AMA need allies for this.

If AMA and CR both drop from the crown race I don't think this has lasting impact as far as CFs go. I think if AMA stays at the top and no one actions, it might. But people have short memories in this game. So I guess I agree with Flogger, this is getting blown out of proportion as far as lasting impact goes.

[Elit]

I think AMA might regret this. Its fun during the wave but might leave a bitter aftertaste, the good run of warwins will be forgotten and the dealbreak will be remembered. Why did AMA need to point out Elit didnt lead the wave, embarressed?

Regret for what? Every age we play fair and honorable and every age we get insane ****s. We got double hostile/ deal break/ GB /farm out/razes from ghetto friends past few ages from different kds just to stop us from win. For what need to regret? Look like only way to scare ppl now is to show them we can be lame like them.
Im not embarrassed too. Was away for 14 days and 2h late for wave date. Decision for wave was taken after vote pool from kd. Its not my solo decisions.

[Humanoize]

1. You dealbroke because you are going to get farmed. You ****play because your KD was in bad position which you yourselves put into because of bad overall diplo. Stop trying to twist facts.

spot on. This thread can be summarised with this comment. The rest of the comments from AMA are just BS

[Elit]

spot on. This thread cant be summarised with this comment. The rest of the comments from AMA are just BS

Maybe you miss my long post about age overall. There was 4 kds in land chart yr 0 and all was cfed. Pew Pew/Pyro refused to cf us and efective block our kd from explore/pump/random for half age after it rage jumped us after 5 weeks pump. Afterr our war with pew pew pyro cfed us and after our war with rage pyro extend his cf with us beore his war with Simians so there wont be vulture from our side. I dont see any bad diplo from our side. Rage/Pyro/Pew cfed for this long Havc because wanted them to slow us. Basicaly we had all 4 kds going after land chart team up vs 1 kd all age.
After CR state in forum they notice us and we cant war other kd i asked CJ if we get double hostile are pyro going to help us. Didn't get positive answer. Try to imagine how are feel ppl in my kd after age ike this where every one is look for cheap way to hurt us and get acres. Did we get any fair chance all age?
Stop look over your side story only and look objective over all picture.

[DonJuan]

I think we can all agree this is the funniest dealbreak. I really hope this results in no CFs at the top just constant fear of conflict. This is not a time of peace, this is a time of war.

+1

I'm hoping that regardless of what happens...it will end with the same result: planting the seed of anarchy in top tier politics!

[Runefire]

Maybe you miss my long post about age overall. There was 4 kds in land chart yr 0 and all was cfed. Pew Pew/Pyro refused to cf us and efective block our kd from explore/pump/random for half age after it rage jumped us after 5 weeks pump. Afterr our war with pew pew pyro cfed us and after our war with rage pyro extend his cf with us beore his war with Simians so there wont be vulture from our side. I dont see any bad diplo from our side. Rage/Pyro/Pew cfed for this long Havc because wanted them to slow us. Basicaly we had all 4 kds going after land chart team up vs 1 kd all age.
After CR state in forum they notice us and we cant war other kd i asked CJ if we get double hostile are pyro going to help us. Didn't get positive answer. Try to imagine how are feel ppl in my kd after age ike this where every one is look for cheap way to hurt us and get acres. Did we get any fair chance all age?
Stop look over your side story only and look objective over all picture.

Ask yourself why 4 KD's did not want to CF you at all. Maybe that might answer your question about not getting a fair shot.

[Folle]

What Runefire said.

You reap what you sow.

[TommyB]

TOP KD needs to work on it now and agree to disagree on whats going on.

..and then a non-top kingdom comes along and steals the crown (SWEA) :p

I just remembered an old quote about utopia, think it was on the login page once?

You have discovered the world of Utopia - A world of intrigue, strategy and warfare.

I find it hilarious that people actually try to pretend that deals made between kingdoms should somehow be higher and more valuable than everything else in the game, including winning. And then go on to call this "good sportsmanship".

If this kind of thing happens in real sports, clubs making deals to determine the winner of a competition in advance, it's a big scandal and for good reasons. But somehow now in utopia it's not only OK but more and more the only way to go - up to and including an angry mob to destroy everyone threatening the sanctity of making a deal.

Protection for war win, acres for war win, acres for science, ... you name it and it's probably been done a couple of hundred time during the last couple ages.

Deals are fine as they are, as long a both parties get something out of it. So for example in utopia it's often "we'll stop hitting you if you do A,B and C". Basically making a vassal out of a previously independent kingdom. However, this kind of deal only works for as long as the vassal kingdom has to be afraid of retaliation. If you overextend and do this thing to a lot of kingdoms, they might realize that you cannot punish them all at once and you have a revolution on your hands.

This is the nature of deals. They are made between individual kingdoms in a specific situation. If you are the stronger party you can force a **** deal on the other kingdom but they will always look for ways to get around that from then on. Wiser rulers might realize this and offer better deals which are more stable.

In short, I see nothing that would put breaking a deal on the same level as 2vs1 or hitting into another conflict. It's an action between two kingdoms in a war game that could, but doesn't have to, lead to a war between them. Nothing more, nothing less.