CR vs AMA

[guard14n]

So if a kingdom says they wont renegotiate a CF before a CF ends, is that a deal break?

It sounds like AMA had an opportunity to make a deal that would allow them to war Pyro without interference, but they did not make one. Instead they chose to break a CF and wave Havoc.

Definition of "notice" in utopia: kd A tells kd B they are gonna war them in a certain period of time (48 72 96h ect). This thread was a notice by itself. Considering that the cf was till y9 a premature notice or "notice of a notice" by definition is a dealbreak. Havoc send AMA a notice to war in a thread form before the cf expired, ergo by definition they dealbroke. Threats began flying for 2v1, oow hits and so on. By the deal the wave may start 72h after notice is served. Havoc did a dealbreak notice and got waved way after 72h of that notice. If we gonna swing by the book of Utopian rules then blame Havoc for dealbreaking not AMA. Who in their right mind will corner a kd like AMA and be pants down during that time?! Anyone who is not from havoc: would you do the same in that situation if it was ur kd? Threat and notice a kd w/o being ready for war?!

[Cello]

How exactly was AMA outplayed? Are you seriously asking that? Really?? Let me ask you this, if they werent outplayed by CR then why would they resort to dealbreaking a KD that they claim to have "good " relations with?

So if a kingdom says they wont renegotiate a CF before a CF ends, is that a deal break?

It sounds like AMA had an opportunity to make a deal that would allow them to war Pyro without interference, but they did not make one. Instead they chose to break a CF and wave Havoc.

AMA should probably be GBd.

Their excuses are silly since they were offered what they wanted and declined it.

The honest truth? They didn't see another path that gave them a shot at the crown, because of the ghetto razing their cows, and so they decided to blame someone and screw over their age.

I'm embarrassed for you, Elit. You've always had more class than this. Kdvote doesn't mean you have to follow it, or respect/defend it.

We had good relations with Zauper, not his kingdom and especially not a slew of particular players in that KD. Zauper left and the ****play they were doing ages ago started back up and we decided to make a stand. We could've farmed out to Pyro, we could have taken the deal they offered us a WEEK after we asked for it, when it was already too late. Too little, too late from Havoc and they pay for it, losing their crown just like we lost ours the previous 4 ages.

Most nubs in this thread need to get their heads checked out if they honestly think Elit is this big, bad, unfair player. The past 4 ages Elit has tried every which way to enforce fair play, and every time it screwed us over. Every time some KD or another decided to take the ****play hammer and dissed out some illegitimate behavior. Yet what people remember is Elit enforcing fair play on these kingdoms, rather than the fair things we did.

And yes, if you nubs do read, we have said and admitted over a dozen times in this thread that this is a ****ty situation, that dealbreaking is not acceptable, and that we never even had the delusion that this would give us a #1 finish. If we had wanted to play for #1, we would've played this age very differently. We had an age off, we wanted to war. We wanted to war Pyro and then Havoc, but Havoc decided that was not acceptable and that they could force us to do what they want, and it bit them in the ass.

Zauper: I have given you our reasons, I have told you we never did this for a crown. We still respect you, we do not respect the kingdom you left. The deals Havoc got from us the previous ages and this age, that allowed them to get where they got, were solely because of the fact you were leading them. You left, they screw us over, we screw them over right back. They could have cruised to an easy chart win, and we wouldn't have been able to do anything against it. Instead Havoc decided to ****play us, try to humiliate us, talk big on the forums, threaten with 2v1, screw over several kingdoms (legacy, simians, pyro, rbl), and we decided we would not be screwed over. We made a stand.

[Runefire]

Definition of "notice" in utopia: kd A tells kd B they are gonna war them in a certain period of time (48 72 96h ect). This thread was a notice by itself. Considering that the cf was till y9 a premature notice or "notice of a notice" by definition is a dealbreak. Havoc send AMA a notice to war in a thread form before the cf expired, ergo by definition they dealbroke. Threats began flying for 2v1, oow hits and so on. By the deal the wave may start 72h after notice is served. Havoc did a dealbreak notice and got waved way after 72h of that notice. If we gonna swing by the book of Utopian rules then blame Havoc for dealbreaking not AMA. Who in their right mind will corner a kd like AMA and be pants down during that time?! Anyone who is not from havoc: would you do the same in that situation if it was ur kd? Threat and notice a kd w/o being ready for war?!

Last age Elit said diplomacy can't be done through forums. Which is it?

[guard14n]

Saying you wont extend CF is not same as noticing someone in violation of your terms. CR clearly deal-broke by giving notice before their deal allowed it. Positioning it as a cute thread and bragging about it just added insult to injury and pretty much assured AMA would do something. Funny I called this right after CR made this thread and said would be followed by more of the same.

What AMA should have done is went to community and our alliance and asked for action on CR instead of being even more lame and moving to the same types actions themselves. Then they would instead have crowned and had full support of the community, while also setting an example of fairplay. Sadly, they chose blind greed over any shred of dignity or self respect. Seems that is prevalent in Utopia now.

As far as i know we did ask for assistance from your alliance but i didnt want to take sides. It wasnt in your best interest to help a kd when that kd is your opponent. It didnt suit u to help us out before but now it suits you to ask community for gb in order for one of your kds to crown. Thing is we dont care about the crown mates we are just sick being ****played all the time. We've proven ourselves to be a force to be reckoned with by warring every kd in the current game and winning even tho we were at disatvantage most of the times. But being the best in something does not mean we are at the top. This is a war game and if a bunch of kds cant handle one kd they ally against that kd to ensure having the upperhand. Case closed, nuff said!

Peace \/

[PhoenixScorpion]

Definition of "notice" in utopia: kd A tells kd B they are gonna war them in a certain period of time (48 72 96h ect). This thread was a notice by itself. Considering that the cf was till y9 a premature notice or "notice of a notice" by definition is a dealbreak. Havoc send AMA a notice to war in a thread form before the cf expired, ergo by definition they dealbroke. Threats began flying for 2v1, oow hits and so on. By the deal the wave may start 72h after notice is served. Havoc did a dealbreak notice and got waved way after 72h of that notice. If we gonna swing by the book of Utopian rules then blame Havoc for deal-breaking not AMA. Who in their right mind will corner a kd like AMA and be pants down during that time?! Anyone who is not from havoc: would you do the same in that situation if it was ur kd? Threat and notice a kd w/o being ready for war?!

Yeah it is pretty clear CR deal-broke first. But one deal-break doesn't mean AMA gets to screw Pyro and basically indirectly deal-break them. That is what you guys don't see and why I am surprised as much as you have got screwed over at the hands of such things that you continually have no problem if everyones (including yours) Age's are ruined constantly by these type of BS actions and if this type of play continues what it means. Isnt AMA the KD that is suppose to be talking down from a position of example on what is honorable or acceptable in the game? What I see is AMA basically doing the exact things it knocks others for or calls them dirty for. This just comes across as ridiculous to anyone with more than a two second attention span.

[guard14n]

Last age Elit said diplomacy can't be done through forums. Which is it?

Diplomacy is not a notice! Doing diplo in forums is retarded. Serving a notice in the forums is a common thing the last few ages.

[Runefire]

And yes, if you nubs do read, we have said and admitted over a dozen times in this thread that this is a ****ty situation, that dealbreaking is not acceptable, and that we never even had the delusion that this would give us a #1 finish. If we had wanted to play for #1, we would've played this age very differently. We had an age off, we wanted to war. We wanted to war Pyro and then Havoc, but Havoc decided that was not acceptable and that they could force us to do what they want, and it bit them in the ass.

And I believe when Strippers/Debauchery wanted to have a few fun wars to end their age you waved in to that war. AMA, the great upholder of utopian values and fair play. Long Live AMA.

[faegan]

Definition of "notice" in utopia: kd A tells kd B they are gonna war them in a certain period of time (48 72 96h ect). This thread was a notice by itself. Considering that the cf was till y9 a premature notice or "notice of a notice" by definition is a dealbreak. Havoc send AMA a notice to war in a thread form before the cf expired, ergo by definition they dealbroke. Threats began flying for 2v1, oow hits and so on. By the deal the wave may start 72h after notice is served. Havoc did a dealbreak notice and got waved way after 72h of that notice. If we gonna swing by the book of Utopian rules then blame Havoc for dealbreaking not AMA. Who in their right mind will corner a kd like AMA and be pants down during that time?! Anyone who is not from havoc: would you do the same in that situation if it was ur kd? Threat and notice a kd w/o being ready for war?!

You're wrong. Notice has no direct relation to war. If you can't get that basic fact straight, don't bother commenting on anything else.

[guard14n]

Yeah it is pretty clear CR deal-broke first. But one deal-break doesn't mean AMA gets to screw Pyro and basically indirectly deal-break them. That is what you guys don't see and why I am surprised as much as you have got screwed over at the hands of such things that you continually have no problem if everyones (including yours) Age's are ruined constantly by these type of BS actions and if this type of play continues what it means. Isnt AMA the KD that is suppose to be talking down from a position of example on what is honorable or acceptable in the game? What I see is AMA basically doing the exact things it knocks others for or calls them dirty for. This just comes across as ridiculous to anyone with more than a two second attention span.

When did any of us said what we did is the right thing to do?! It wasnt. But how are we dealbreaking pyro atm? Do you think that havoc will just let us farm them and wont fight? they have 3x our sci with insane millitary, the moment they feel confident we are gonna be in the hardest war we ever had this age (considering your alliance doesnt g/b us which will ruin all top kds mock my words :P). You say that Pyro (one of the best warring kds rnd) cant manage to handle us with no core after a destructive war with so much time to explore + pump?! We did NOT dealbreak pyro nor anyone else. We have issue with havoc that dealbroke us and with them alone. They are not part of your alliance and its gonna be a though war with them.

Altho to be honest knowing your alliance you will propably combine with kds like simians and start gb-ing us just for the fun of it am i wrong? :_)

[guard14n]

You're wrong. Notice has no direct relation to war. If you can't get that basic fact straight, don't bother commenting on anything else.

So if it was you you would do the exact same thing Havoc did? Are you a monarch somewhere? If yes pls think again.

[PhoenixScorpion]

As far as i know we did ask for assistance from your alliance but i didnt want to take sides. It wasnt in your best interest to help a kd when that kd is your opponent. It didnt suit u to help us out before but now it suits you to ask community for gb in order for one of your kds to crown. Thing is we dont care about the crown mates we are just sick being ****played all the time. We've proven ourselves to be a force to be reckoned with by warring every kd in the current game and winning even tho we were at disatvantage most of the times. But being the best in something does not mean we are at the top. This is a war game and if a bunch of kds cant handle one kd they ally against that kd to ensure having the upperhand. Case closed, nuff said!

Peace \/

No leader from AMA approached our alliance prior asking for support from alliance as whole in regards to CR deal-break. This is because until AMA got razed by another KD they made mad they honestly expected to beat Pyro then Havoc and didnt think they would need help. Once they got razed and they saw their Age got ruined by their own actions and way they treat people they went all emo and deal-broke CR. This is why they did not approach alliance, because they expected to still be able to win and wanted to brag even more if they could secure win in that fashion, nothing else. I nowhere asked for community to GB AMA. What community does or doesnt do to AMA/CR because of this basically decides if there is even a game left worth playing. When the two KD's who supposedly have the most "stacked" rosters resort to this as ordinary this game is dead and we are all just pretending...

[Proteus]

No leader from AMA approached our alliance prior asking for support from alliance as whole in regards to CR deal-break. This is because until AMA got razed by another KD they made mad they honestly expected to beat Pyro then Havoc and didnt think they would need help. Once they got razed and they saw their Age got ruined by their own actions and way they treat people they went all emo and deal-broke CR. This is why they did not approach alliance, because they expected to still be able to win and wanted to brag even more if they could secure win in that fashion, nothing else. I nowhere asked for community to GB AMA. What community does or doesnt do to AMA/CR because of this basically decides if there is even a game left worth playing. When the two KD's who supposedly have the most "stacked" rosters resort to this as ordinary this game is dead and we are all just pretending...

If you read up you will see a post of Elit's where he asked Pyro that if Havoc 2v1's AMA if there will be any help given and there was no affirmative answer. I don't see how talking to your alliance would have helped anyone.

Also in case you haven't noticed this game is dead and has been dead for ages...the land crown has been shaped by ****play for countless ages with arranged farmouts, 2v1s, and other forms of **** playing. The best kingdom has not won land crown for 4 ages running.

[Crunch]

AMA should probably be GBd.

Their excuses are silly since they were offered what they wanted and declined it.

The honest truth? They didn't see another path that gave them a shot at the crown, because of the ghetto razing their cows, and so they decided to blame someone and screw over their age.

I'm embarrassed for you, Elit. You've always had more class than this. Kdvote doesn't mean you have to follow it, or respect/defend it.

almost hard to believe this statement comes from you.. how far you have fallen...

the honest truth is you and your kd have attempted to ****play the server to win a crown.. you want to claim it is because you left and maxi is leading and others in the kd just don't agree with your ethical standards anymore.. that can be looked at as being quite convenient. however I find it to strange to be the complete truth. I think you played a role in signing off of this way of play. you should be embarrassed for yourself and how you allowed your kd to behave this age.. many used to admire your leadership and play. i think you lost much of that respect now..

rage/pyro/pew and u (CR) have tried to humiliate and destroy ama all age.. it back fired for one reason.. ama is really that good the only kd that can say they have the ability to play at the level of old utopia.. why does drixx and others still hate ama you had the upper hand and you still lost except it.. no actually you should admire it if you really luv the game as much as you claim..

[PhoenixScorpion]

If you read up you will see a post of Elit's where he asked Pyro that if Havoc 2v1's AMA if there will be any help given and there was no affirmative answer. I don't see how talking to your alliance would have helped anyone.

Also in case you haven't noticed this game is dead and has been dead for ages...the land crown has been shaped by ****play for countless ages with arranged farmouts, 2v1s, and other forms of **** playing. The best kingdom has not won land crown for 4 ages running.

There is difference between asking one KD who is not sure if they can trust you and is new to the top, than asking an alliance of players who you know have experienced the exact ****play you have. I honestly have a hard time believing you. You did not ask for help because it is not about logic or sense to you, only silly pride and random BS and further encouraging more BS in the game instead of using the power you have as one of the last remaining high level KD to make the game better overall. If you fail to see the difference between the two then you will keep being involved and apart of these situations as AMA always is. Last Age you let a KD crown who you claimed intentionally farmed out to another KD to do so, and you had exactly zero concern about it (again bec it didnt impact you at all). The only reason you even action-ed Rage is because you expected to crown because of it. Which your own ally played you and did the exact same thing to you that you said Rage did and was lame, no matter which way you want to spin it.

Yeah you are right game is dead. Its because of people like you, who instead of standing for something, by their KD mates and friends, or trying to make the game better overall training new players instead make it worse making excuses and continuing the BS. When I said "dead" I mean in the aspect of it being fun, not as in meaning quality of KD's. Which both you and CR have a hand in by consolidating into two KD's and you wonder why its pointless playing. You either ****play, deal-break, or simply recruit your competition out of existence. Sounds smart. Most people I know like to play games with others, not make them all want to quit because they never know when someone is gonna act like a 5 yo and get up and kick the game-board.

[Proteus]

Yeah you are right game is dead. Its because of people like you, who instead of standing for something or trying to make the game better instead make it worse making excuses. When I said "dead" I mean in the aspect of it being fun, not as in meaning quality of KD's. Which both you and CR have a hand in by consolidating into two KD's and you wonder why its pointless playing. You either ****play, deal-break, or simply recruit your competition out of existence. Sounds smart. Most people I know like to play games with others, not make them all want to quit because they never know when someone is gonna act like a 5 yo and get up and kick the game-board.

Funny thing is after I retired from leading kds due to working full time, I had option to stay in Rage and help advise and teach people to get better but chose to leave and be a regular player in AMA...wanna know one of the main reasons for it, you guys were going to be allied with Havoc/CR and there was no way I was going to play in a kd that is allied to a kd like Havoc, especially after Abs disbanded and there were some people floating around who were never able to lead an Abs kd/be in alliance leadership and wanted to pretend they were still Abs anyways after everyone associated with the group for years had departed. Havoc has been ****playing for a long time and made Abs look like a joke, it has finally caught up to them.