CR vs AMA

[Binar]

U miss us?

[Binar]

and it still is the clearest FW ive seen.
havoc isnt even touching AMA banks

[American Badass]

PewPew should help this GB then, coz 6 kds to gb AMA is not enuf imo.

And what if AMA ruins Havoc/Pyro war and decide winner of the age? ;)

This **** should be solved via diplomacy, not via gb, told it long ago in this thread, too pity Elit is not interested much.

Diplomacy was given to Elit but he turned it all down.

[jjofdenmark]

and it still is the clearest FW ive seen.
havoc isnt even touching AMA banks

Okay then. Good point!! FW!!!!!

[Proteus]

1) CR, zauper, topsy, munk, fook, etc, or myself have never 2v1'ed anyone. Any deal has to go through us. It just wouldn't happen. I care more about my rep than a crown. If they came to me with a plan to 2v1 you, I'd quit on the spot. You know me. Can you recall one single instance where I've done something bad in utopia?
2) This was mainly a joke thread along with all of the other "dibs threads" because you're in the kingdom and the dibs inventor so we thought it was funny although looking back we probably shouldn't have made it. We were planning on serving notice on Jan 1st and seeing what happened (if you were available April 1st). When it was clear that there was no stopping Pyro vs AMA, we:
3) Offered you a deal to war pyro and have *8 days* to recoup to fight us. It wasn't last minute. It was like 1-2 days after this thread was made. How is 8 days vulture? I could rebuild my entire kd in 8 days. BB offered us 8 days after we fought AMA 3 rounds ago and it was universally recognized as "flogger being a nice guy."
Sure the odds weren't much in your favor, but 8 days or 16 days wouldn't have changed it. We had huge sci/gold adv on you and it wouldn't have changed. We earned our better position through diplomacy while you warred. Your complaints that "this is not fair" well duh man.. every fight in utopia isn't always fair. I know that being former Abs and not being used to fighting B2B wars is tough because you usually had someone block, but I've been doing this for 40 rounds now, bro. Man up. You can't just dealbreak when the going gets tough.

Conclusion: not only is there 0 history of CR's leadership of dealbreaking/2v1s, we offered you the deal you wanted. Anyone reading this can note that I would never ever agree to a dealbreak or a 2v1. I hope I've made myself clear.

Logical question: Fair point. I'm not sure of the answer to that question. It did seem from the intel that you would probably lose or narrowly win. I'm not sure why you squandered your chance to win by dealbreaking. Personally there was a small part of me rooting for you guys to pull off the complete round win. Real talk, I would have been the first to congratulate you.

Another logical question, Proteus: When does this current CR team no longer responsible for something from 4 rounds ago? Didn't we pay our dues already 3 rounds ago even though the leaders weren't a part of it and it was just the kd name? Like will we all be 40 years old still arguing about this?

Godly i never invented dibs nor have I ever used it on anyone so i don't know where you get it from, perhaps you are confusing me with sanc. Even haters here can confirm this so that was a complete fail on your part.

Second people who were in sanc and havoc that were leaders (maxi mouse, nickmi, hawk) play in your kd now so you still bear responsibility....you cant 2v1 someone and take their crown away and then threaten to do it again.

We never did this as a crown grab and fully expected to get gbed. Only reason the n00b alliance joined gb is so they have a chance to crown this age which they formerly did not as ama raped 2/3 of them for a disadvantaged position.

You would have been fine this age for past actions if you didn't try to dib us, dictate who we should war and threaten 2v1. You are supposed to be smart and know the game man, do you guys think you'd be in this position if elit didnt have good relations with Zauper? No we'd fight you early age and would most likely win. You should have done the deal zauper tried to make with us before your council overruled it. Problem is when you guys feel close to crowning you just go crazy and fick everyone over to get it done. It's supported historically because your kd 2v1ed ama in a crown grab ages ago, you abandoned rage to dealbreak to try and crown age before last, and this age you tried to dibs us and threaten to hit us when cf ends regardless of what we do or who we fight. If you just let zauper handle things and play as he has been playing youd have been fine and crowned.

[rainbowsaurus]

and it still is the clearest FW ive seen.
havoc isnt even touching AMA banks

Everything is clear now.

[Drixx]

Do you know how we can recognize it is being jelly not being defenders of ethics? As i said i fully accept being gbed. But that will not be the end. Next age AMA will again pwn them all in war and they will all come crying out "gb" :).

Nah. All AMA had to do to avoid being GB'd was have Elit post that this was a private cleaning of the slate with Havoc from the 2v1 a few ages ago, and say that he was going to intra-raze all gained acres after it was done. Then nobody has any reason to go after him. Cleaning all the slates needs to happen. But Elit instead said he wanted to steal the age by dealbreak and swore that anyone who joined GB on him will be interfered with by him forever going forward. So, forever going forward all of us have to now find and squash AMA over and over each age until Elit forswears his vengeance and cleans the slate with everyone.

He brought this on himself. He had a clear option to avoid it and chose not to so that he could cry and play the victim. No tears for elit. It's like Bishop said. We police ourselves. AMA went too far and Elit admitted it was to try and steal age. 'Nuff said.

[Meep]

and it still is the clearest FW ive seen.
havoc isnt even touching AMA banks

You see the rest of the top fighting this server war?

There can be only one outcome.

#CrownforBinBin

[jjofdenmark]

This **** should be solved via diplomacy, not via gb, told it long ago in this thread, too pity Elit is not interested much.

??? Did you miss out on the last 30 pages of yelling and screaming? There is no way this conflict could have been solved through diplo. ... sadly!

[Elit]

In all honesty, neither PyroManiaCs nor AMA had any chance to crown. I fail to see why you should hold a grudge against PyroManiaCs because of them #utopolice-ing your dealbreak. Seriously, cJ trusted you to intra raze at first and so did NesTa. Only until you yourself wrote a post saying that you'll be keeping the acres did the opinion change.

You (AMA) not only dealbroke, but then also lied about intentions (Cello & Proteus).

I think same. Both Pyro and AMA had no real chances for win vs Havoc after Simians donate 17k for free, but i was perfect fine with Havoc win age. How i told we had very good relation with zauper and all what i wanted is to get at lest 1 fair war this age with Pyro and prepare proper for ir. Its why we discused extend cf. Problem is he have ppl in his kd not enough confident in his win and decide to take over Zauper and push us in corner with lame demands and its after Havoc keep us believe we will get deal for few days. Its combined with forum disb and Pyro refuse to promise us help if we get 2vs1 totaly killed our chances for any proper play so we did what left. Now with this gb we have reason to do any in future to rage/pyro/simians.
Well simians dont need our help to end farmed :D

Drixx, from all leaders in past and present you have best ratio: arrange GBs per age. Congrats for it.

[Drug]

In short, Havoc and Pyro arranged war to decide winner of the age later. Since Havoc was too small and in hostile with AMA, it was decided to GB AMA, so AMA won't ruin Havoc/Pyro arranged war.

At least, that's the way ic it as of now.

[Nim]

I'd love seeing some formatted news and other info about the war instead of all this QQ.

[Proteus]

Nah. All AMA had to do to avoid being GB'd was have Elit post that this was a private cleaning of the slate with Havoc from the 2v1 a few ages ago, and say that he was going to intra-raze all gained acres after it was done. Then nobody has any reason to go after him. Cleaning all the slates needs to happen. But Elit instead said he wanted to steal the age by dealbreak and swore that anyone who joined GB on him will be interfered with by him forever going forward. So, forever going forward all of us have to now find and squash AMA over and over each age until Elit forswears his vengeance and cleans the slate with everyone.

He brought this on himself. He had a clear option to avoid it and chose not to so that he could cry and play the victim. No tears for elit. It's like Bishop said. We police ourselves. AMA went too far and Elit admitted it was to try and steal age. 'Nuff said.

Drixx you are such a n00b, boo hoo your ghetto cant beat ama 1v1 so you need to find friends to help you every age...you sound like a coward, abs kds run by real leaders would win fights 1v1 (with exception of havoc) or would atleast go down fighting. But i guess when you get farmed as badly as you did vulturing ama after pumping all age and making cows i guess you have a right to be scared and get a few people to hold your hand. But then again thats why you were never trusted with leading a good kd and only got to lead something after everyone had already quit.

[StratOcastle]

If you're one of the 3 Stooges, be Moe.

[American Badass]

I think same. Both Pyro and AMA had no real chances for win vs Havoc after Simians donate 17k for free, but i was perfect fine with Havoc win age. How i told we had very good relation with zauper and all what i wanted is to get at lest 1 fair war this age with Pyro and prepare proper for ir. Its why we discused extend cf. Problem is he have ppl in his kd not enough confident in his win and decide to take over Zauper and push us in corner with lame demands and its after Havoc keep us believe we will get deal for few days. Its combined with forum disb and Pyro refuse to promise us help if we get 2vs1 totaly killed our chances for any proper play so we did what left. Now with this gb we have reason to do any in future to rage/pyro/simians.
Well simians dont need our help to end farmed :D

Drixx, from all leaders in past and present you have best ratio: arrange GBs per age. Congrats for it.

If this was true you could have asked Havoc to back off and tell them you'd give them 15-20k acres after your war with Pyro so you can 3/3 the alliance (Like simians agreed to do with Havoc... to have a legit equal war, give acres afterwards and not before). Havoc did "tax" simians but it was what they would have gained pre-war via a wave which would of meant simians warred Pyro at a disadvantage. It was NOT Havoc thought all their CFs were to run out at times they could poach others. That is how they played this age.

If you had come to Rage/Pyro/Pew with that and made them terms to Havoc we would of supported you in them most likely if your true intention WAS to war Pyro fairly.

Instead you wanted to war Pyro without having to agree donating anything to Havoc with a shot at warring Havoc after. You talk so much bollocks :P

Also what actually is it? You wanted a fair war vs Pyro or you deal broke to pay back Havoc?

Drixx you are such a n00b, boo hoo your ghetto cant beat ama 1v1 so you need to find friends to help you every age...you sound like a coward, abs kds run by real leaders would win fights 1v1 (with exception of havoc) or would atleast go down fighting. But i guess when you get farmed as badly as you did vulturing ama after pumping all age and making cows i guess you have a right to be scared and get a few people to hold your hand. But then again thats why you were never trusted with leading a good kd and only got to lead something after everyone had already quit.

I think there is 4/5 "original" rage members left here atm so it is basically a new kd. Obviously if you bail at a time the old school core left that had been gelled, been led by ASF/Zoot with vast experience and you was using the core they established like you had to win crowns, it would be 10x easier.

Drixx has basically built a whole new kd and this is only its second age.