CR vs AMA

[Elit]

Fair play....lets tell rest kds what kind fair play we got this age from Rage/Pyro/Pew Pew (RPP)and after it Havoc.

1. All you know all 4 kds did cfs till yr 10. Its alone kill all balance in game when there was only 4 kds going after land chart yr0
2. RPP effective coordinated his action vs us block AMA till yr 5 from random/pump/explore with Pyro and Pew Pew and after it Rage jumped us.
3. I asked many times Pyro/CJ for CF from yr1 to yr5 and all time he explained how its "not smart let ama explore and he cant cf us". After it Pyro got his Problems with Fratzia and we Just have won vs Pew Pew so they decide to give us CF.
4. 5 days after our War with Pew Pew Rage jumped us and told there is no free CF. All know how this war end. During this time Simians and Pew Pew was preparing for war so i offered Pyro 2 weeks extend CF so they wont worry for us being lame and vulture Pyro OOW. Consider how they played to us all age was perfect fair to make same to them but we decide to show Pyro how need to play fair and honorable.
5. WE had talk with Zauper about extend CF because both AMA and Pyro Had plans to war. For few days Zauper keep us believe we will extend CF and After it he told his KD don't agree and he left kd. Same time accident we get razes on our cow from ex Havoc player and its totally messed our prepare for war Pyro. For make all "perfect" Havoc made post in forum and told Notice is given Jan 1 and april 1 they will wave us so if we have other plans to cancel it. Its alone is deal break. They cant give us notice before CF expire and if we are in hostile/war/post war they cant gave notice based to deals. I asked Pyro if they going to help us if we get 2vs1 and answer was: we have CF. So WTF left for us? 1 KD say he will wave us and second say he want to war us "fair" but wont help in 2vs1. Do you call its fair play???

All what happen rest was result from Havoc dibs and pyro refuse to help in 2vs1. If you want to blame some one for unfair play start with yourself and don't come and act moral when kds involved in this GB are **** play all server all age and AMA did noting wrong till you push us.

[Soul_Hunter]

Or to make it even more clear , the cfs with Pyro and CR wouldn't have had the same end date if it hadn't been for the Simians vs Pyro war and the CF extension we gave Pyro. It seems that the best thing was to keep original CF deal and vulture Pyro 2 weeks before the end of our CF with CR. :)

[Elit]

Look how hard was for simians to get his cf and can some one explain why anri keep talk how we play unfair to him...

Session Start: Mon Feb 10 21:40:35 2014
Session Ident: Anri

[21:40] <Anri> hi
[21:41] <Elit> hi
[21:41] <Anri> Do you want to make a CF til yr10 or yr11 with us?
[21:41] <Elit> if you want we can
[21:42] <Elit> im not interest to hit simians when you are down
[21:42] <Elit> its other kds favorite play
[21:42] <Anri> i tought so, we are down after havocs silly demand of 20% of our acres to them
[21:43] <Anri> and after their major pump nothing at all we could do
[21:43] <Anri> the only thing i told them was they better make sure to get 20% of all others also then
[21:43] <Anri> you know why they took 20%
[21:43] <Anri> because it was 10% tax on letting us fight pewpew and 10% tax letting us fight pyromaniacs
[21:43] <Elit> for win age
[21:43] <Anri> without them interfering
[21:43] <Elit> lol
[21:44] <Anri> nah, i just wanted my wars and they pushed us over the ages
[21:44] <Elit> its some new ****s
[21:44] <Anri> i mean, they noticed us, could have waved us, then we would not been able to fight pyro
[21:44] <Anri> so they came and said we let you fight them if you give us acres
[21:44] <Elit> not able war pyro will be better for all us :P
[21:44] <Elit> you end farmed
[21:44] <Elit> and helped pyro
[21:45] <Anri> we only lost 4k acres in 4 days of war
[21:45] <Anri> you know how close they were to WD man
[21:45] <Anri> cJ and procy wanted to WD
[21:45] <Elit> yes but land distribute and ww bonus
[21:45] <Anri> then Nesta came and stopped them (min time)
[21:45] <Anri> shouldnt be a problem
[21:45] <Elit> yes i know you started good and messed it later
[21:45] <Anri> thier bank play sux
[21:46] <Elit> nv
[21:46] <Anri> nah we did not mess it, only our t/ms that held to little channeling/wpa
[21:46] <Elit> i dont think how havoc play is good play
[21:46] <Anri> 1 wpa more and we woulld have won it
[21:46] <Elit> its some new ****s
[21:46] <Elit> dont know from where they come with this ****s
[21:46] <Anri> yes, its all new
[21:46] <Anri> tax to war others
[21:47] <Anri> its smart thou
[21:47] <Anri> we could not do anything about it
[21:47] <Anri> but it might backfire later on for them
[21:47] <Anri> they will attempt the same on pewpew and legacy and maybe others soon
[21:48] <Anri> anyway
[21:48] <Anri> you want a yr10 or yr11?
[21:48] <Anri> 48h notice?
[21:49] <Elit> yr 10 and 48h for now, we can extend it later
[21:49] <Elit> how i told you i dont have any plans for hit simians
[21:49] <Anri> ok, sounds good
[21:50] <Anri> no i know u guys will be very busy
[21:50] <Anri> and we all ready hitted down
[21:51] <Elit> its not abouty busy
[21:51] <Anri> i know we are half your size also, its just bad play
[21:51] <Anri> and you all ready waved us so many times this age
[21:51] <Anri> :P
[21:51] <Elit> its was oop
[21:51] <Elit> long ago
[21:52] <Elit> if we use havoc metric
[21:52] <Anri> true, but it still matters
[21:52] <Elit> we need to tax you too :P
[21:52] <Elit> just im not havoc
[21:52] <Anri> that **** will backfire for them
[21:52] <Elit> most like
[21:52] <Anri> wait til they attempt it with pewpew and well see what happens, hopefully they get learned/razed and pewpew landdrop themselfs :P
[21:54] <Elit> :)
[21:55] <Anri> ok so yr10 48h notice is confirmed?
[21:57] <Elit> yes
[21:57] <Elit> we have cf
[21:57] <Anri> aye thanks
[21:58] <Elit> if i can i will keep my cf with simians till eoa
[21:58] <Anri> works best for both
[21:59] <Anri> the one that attempts to get acres from us late age will get razed, if its havoc or ama ;-)
[21:59] <Anri> let havoc come
[22:04] <Elit> dont you have cf them now?
[22:04] <Elit> after gave acres
[22:04] <Elit> or they got acres and gave short cf only?
[22:06] <Anri> no we cfed now
[22:07] <Anri> age end
[22:07] <Anri> i told them i raze/learn them non stop back if i did not get a cf lasting to after yr11
[22:07] <Anri> and if they come after that we just raze them and slow them
[22:08] <Anri> they will not come, if anyone comes it would be us coming for them to raze them last hours

[Godly]

Elit, this thread was not a notice. It was a heads up that we would be noticing you Jan 1st so it would give plenty of time for the 3 kingdoms to figure out what to do with the overlapping CFs. Most kingdoms in your situation would try to work out a deal so you could fight the kd you wanted to fight. You instead refused to negotiate at all. When we eventually gave you a pretty reasonable offer (no acres, just flat out CF extension with the promise that we fight winner 8 days after war), you dealbreak us.

If you are counting "heads up" of notice to be a dealbreak, how did you and Pyro know that you would be warring each other? Didn't someone have to approach the other and say "hey I'm going to notice you Jan 1st will you fight?" Isn't that also a "dealbreak" in your eyes?

I understand your situation and it sucks that you've had to fight pretty hard this round, but you and BB put yourselves in this spot by warring a ghetto at the start with no CFs. It allowed others to grow larger than you and dictate the terms of the round. Just because it was a hard round doesn't mean you can just dealbreak someone.

[Anri]

Look how hard was for simians to get his cf and can some one explain why anri keep talk how we play unfair to him...

Session Start: Mon Feb 10 21:40:35 2014
Session Ident: Anri

[21:40] <Anri> hi
[21:41] <Elit> hi
[21:41] <Anri> Do you want to make a CF til yr10 or yr11 with us?
[21:41] <Elit> if you want we can
[21:42] <Elit> im not interest to hit simians when you are down
[21:42] <Elit> its other kds favorite play
[21:42] <Anri> i tought so, we are down after havocs silly demand of 20% of our acres to them
[21:43] <Anri> and after their major pump nothing at all we could do
[21:43] <Anri> the only thing i told them was they better make sure to get 20% of all others also then
[21:43] <Anri> you know why they took 20%
[21:43] <Anri> because it was 10% tax on letting us fight pewpew and 10% tax letting us fight pyromaniacs
[21:43] <Elit> for win age
[21:43] <Anri> without them interfering
[21:43] <Elit> lol
[21:44] <Anri> nah, i just wanted my wars and they pushed us over the ages
[21:44] <Elit> its some new ****s
[21:44] <Anri> i mean, they noticed us, could have waved us, then we would not been able to fight pyro
[21:44] <Anri> so they came and said we let you fight them if you give us acres
[21:44] <Elit> not able war pyro will be better for all us :P
[21:44] <Elit> you end farmed
[21:44] <Elit> and helped pyro
[21:45] <Anri> we only lost 4k acres in 4 days of war
[21:45] <Anri> you know how close they were to WD man
[21:45] <Anri> cJ and procy wanted to WD
[21:45] <Elit> yes but land distribute and ww bonus
[21:45] <Anri> then Nesta came and stopped them (min time)
[21:45] <Anri> shouldnt be a problem
[21:45] <Elit> yes i know you started good and messed it later
[21:45] <Anri> thier bank play sux
[21:46] <Elit> nv
[21:46] <Anri> nah we did not mess it, only our t/ms that held to little channeling/wpa
[21:46] <Elit> i dont think how havoc play is good play
[21:46] <Anri> 1 wpa more and we woulld have won it
[21:46] <Elit> its some new ****s
[21:46] <Elit> dont know from where they come with this ****s
[21:46] <Anri> yes, its all new
[21:46] <Anri> tax to war others
[21:47] <Anri> its smart thou
[21:47] <Anri> we could not do anything about it
[21:47] <Anri> but it might backfire later on for them
[21:47] <Anri> they will attempt the same on pewpew and legacy and maybe others soon
[21:48] <Anri> anyway
[21:48] <Anri> you want a yr10 or yr11?
[21:48] <Anri> 48h notice?
[21:49] <Elit> yr 10 and 48h for now, we can extend it later
[21:49] <Elit> how i told you i dont have any plans for hit simians
[21:49] <Anri> ok, sounds good
[21:50] <Anri> no i know u guys will be very busy
[21:50] <Anri> and we all ready hitted down
[21:51] <Elit> its not abouty busy
[21:51] <Anri> i know we are half your size also, its just bad play
[21:51] <Anri> and you all ready waved us so many times this age
[21:51] <Anri> :P
[21:51] <Elit> its was oop
[21:51] <Elit> long ago
[21:52] <Elit> if we use havoc metric
[21:52] <Anri> true, but it still matters
[21:52] <Elit> we need to tax you too :P
[21:52] <Elit> just im not havoc
[21:52] <Anri> that **** will backfire for them
[21:52] <Elit> most like
[21:52] <Anri> wait til they attempt it with pewpew and well see what happens, hopefully they get learned/razed and pewpew landdrop themselfs :P
[21:54] <Elit> :)
[21:55] <Anri> ok so yr10 48h notice is confirmed?
[21:57] <Elit> yes
[21:57] <Elit> we have cf
[21:57] <Anri> aye thanks
[21:58] <Elit> if i can i will keep my cf with simians till eoa
[21:58] <Anri> works best for both
[21:59] <Anri> the one that attempts to get acres from us late age will get razed, if its havoc or ama ;-)
[21:59] <Anri> let havoc come
[22:04] <Elit> dont you have cf them now?
[22:04] <Elit> after gave acres
[22:04] <Elit> or they got acres and gave short cf only?
[22:06] <Anri> no we cfed now
[22:07] <Anri> age end
[22:07] <Anri> i told them i raze/learn them non stop back if i did not get a cf lasting to after yr11
[22:07] <Anri> and if they come after that we just raze them and slow them
[22:08] <Anri> they will not come, if anyone comes it would be us coming for them to raze them last hours

And what do you want to say with a CF deal that was worked out between us?
LoL

You had waved us 7 times earlier this age and you dealbroke to try and crown, therefor all deals with AMA was void and we joined the GB machine, because what you do is wrong.

When you give CFs you have self interest, you wanted to grow cows and you wanted time to pump, Simians wanted time to pump aswell. So a CF between us was given.

Not sure what you want with this logg? Its pretty obvious that it states i am no friend of CR and i dont like how they came and took acres from us, the problem you have is that i choosed another word for free acres and called it a tax instead, this is the new **** it seems, i said tax and all of a sudden everyone say they gonna tax people. Get over it dude. Free acres always been given when you cant fight back for new CFs. We had no way to fight CR and clap clap to them for it.

[Elit]

Elit, this thread was not a notice. It was a heads up that we would be noticing you Jan 1st so it would give plenty of time for the 3 kingdoms to figure out what to do with the overlapping CFs. Most kingdoms in your situation would try to work out a deal so you could fight the kd you wanted to fight. You instead refused to negotiate at all. When we eventually gave you a pretty reasonable offer (no acres, just flat out CF extension with the promise that we fight winner 8 days after war), you dealbreak us.

If you are counting "heads up" of notice to be a dealbreak, how did you and Pyro know that you would be warring each other? Didn't someone have to approach the other and say "hey I'm going to notice you Jan 1st will you fight?" Isn't that also a "deal break" in your eyes?

I understand your situation and it sucks that you've had to fight pretty hard this round, but you and BB put yourselves in this spot by warring a ghetto at the start with no CFs. It allowed others to grow larger than you and dictate the terms of the round. Just because it was a hard round doesn't mean you can just dealbreak someone.

Godly for begin its our age off. Its why we wared ghetto oop. Do you think i dont know how to whore and i will slow my grow for 5k land bonus for 6 days total? I told zauper,maxi and going to say it again. Your play this age is terrible. You cant gain any respect this way and you are part from problem we got power played this age. If you want to play go play dont CF all competitors for 10 weeks and compete who is better farmer. If AMA didn't win his wars vs Pew Pew and Rage atm you will have 0 chances for crown. If Pew Pew have won his war you can be sure rage and pyro will jumped on us for get free acres too and after it all 3 will visited Simians. This way Havoc is complete isolated from all sources from land you will be alone vs 3 bigger ally kds. Im sure you cant win it.
You need to have deeper understand for game and have some basic honor. Your kd have all advantages for win vs any kd in server. Ever if we wared and win pyro (no razes from your frends too) we still had almost 0 chances for win vs havoc. So you risk noting with being cool and say: ok guys war pyro but lets after it you war us if you win. I can gurante you my answer will be yes on propose like this. We have noting to lose from it. Your stupid decline extend cf for free and push us hard killed your relation and most like your age win for noting. You think im happy from it? I preferred all age CR to win because i had much better relation with you over RPP.

[Elit]

And what do you want to say with a CF deal that was worked out between us?
LoL

You had waved us 7 times earlier this age and you dealbroke to try and crown, therefor all deals with AMA was void and we joined the GB machine, because what you do is wrong.

When you give CFs you have self interest, you wanted to grow cows and you wanted time to pump, Simians wanted time to pump aswell. So a CF between us was given.

Not sure what you want with this logg? Its pretty obvious that it states i am no friend of CR and i dont like how they came and took acres from us, the problem you have is that i choosed another word for free acres and called it a tax instead, this is the new **** it seems, i said tax and all of a sudden everyone say they gonna tax people. Get over it dude. Free acres always been given when you cant fight back for new CFs. We had no way to fight CR and clap clap to them for it.

You dont understand game. After all razes my self interest was to notice other kd and gain acres. We was full trained. CF Simians limit our targets.
About wave OOP its result from you call us out for few days in irc when you was sure Simians is much bigger from AMA and we cant war you now. You used all names for call us. So you got what you wanted :)

Another example for fair play and i stand for what i posted in logs with anri:

[09:15] <Elit> are you rebuild kd
[09:15] <coss> yeh
[09:15] <coss> that's why i am here
[09:15] <coss> on yr6 our cf expires
[09:15] <coss> and just have notice
[09:15] <coss> up to enlarge it at least 2 weeks?
[09:15] <Elit> yes
[09:15] <Elit> not going to vulture kd
[09:15] <coss> cool:D
[09:16] <Elit> ok make it yr8 and 48h notice for now?
[09:16] <coss> yeh
[09:16] <Elit> ok deal
[09:16] <coss> we can make yr10 as well
[09:16] <coss> if u want
[09:16] <Elit> possible we will extend again later
[09:16] <coss> but yr 8 should be ok
[09:16] <coss> ok
[09:16] <coss> sounds good
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Do you see AMA jump Fratzia and vulture them how did Pyro and Havoc? No we did CF.
Do you see AMA jump Havoc past 2 ages after Havoc loss his war from BB? I can name many kds knock on Havoc asking them for free acres after they have loss his war.
Do you see AMA GB sanctuary age after they double hostile us? No they was dead meal and we left them alone.
Did we hit ED or Pew Pew last age when they made run wars from us x2? No we offered both kds cf and moved on.

I can give you many many examples for fair and honorable play from us and can give you many for **** play in return. So if you want to change game to better learn to play proper and stop **** play us only because you cant win in fair 1vs1 run.

[Godly]

"So you risk noting with being cool and say: ok guys war pyro but lets after it you war us if you win."

But we did.. that's exactly the deal we gave you.

I understand more than you think about the game. I understand that sometimes when you want to get a deal done, you have to push the action (notice, or threat of notice). Our play choice this round is our business as yours is yours. I was just commenting on why you were painted into a b2b2b2 scenario from the get go. If pyro or rage had beaten you, we would have played things differently.

But when you start playing utopia where "I don't like you so I'll dealbreak you," thats the problem at hand. What you did a few days ago is so bad that I literally thought Bishop was trolling me with an alternate utopia when I got the text message. I never thought you'd let your kingdom be controlled by noobs like Proteus and ruin your rep like this. My advice to you is to get rid of whoever came up with this plan, apologize, and hope that the rest of utopia can forgive you. I'm fairly forgiving, so I would be the first one to do it.

[Anri]

You dont understand game. After all razes my self interest was to notice other kd and gain acres. We was full trained. CF Simians limit our targets.
About wave OOP its result from you call us out for few days in irc when you was sure Simians is much bigger from AMA and we cant war you now. You used all names for call us. So you got what you wanted :)

Wave OOP? It was not OOP and the wave itself was made by no one else but you, the most greedy person in the game, no balls to wait for a real war or give loc, let us give button, set a war up, no you had to use the situation, because i explained this before for you. Its in your nature to do dishonorable acts. Its just the way you are. And when you give CFs you give them only out of self-interest, you needed to prep for Pyro/CR thus you gave Simians a CF just incase we wanted to FSU you. We saw easy that a ghetto easy FSUed you instead. This is THE ONLY reason you were willing to give a cease fire so easy. I knew you would give it, because you needed prep time and we wanted to pump. So it suited us both very good to have the CF.
If you like you say your self interest was to notice other kds then why did you not notice them, why did you dealbreak them instead? haha wtf

Anything you say is yet another lie

[Soul_Hunter]

Still waiting for Godly to explain how are they having any chance at crown now with Pyro hitting for tms into the war :)

[skoyl12]

So elit if you like CR why dont you raze pyro banks? :)

[Godly]

Still waiting for Godly to explain how are they having any chance at crown now with Pyro hitting for tms into the war :)

If I cared about crowns I'd have quit Shadowlight in round 10 when people stopped caring, joined PBs instead of andn00bs, and joined an absalom kingdom instead of ZZ/Inso and kissed Elit's ass to join AMA instead of sticking with flogger once some of the better dreams players joined. I'd probably have the most crowns in utopia right now. People who know me in real life know that I'm not a frontrunner -- not my style. I play to play. Like I said earlier, I'm glad that this actually happened because utopia needed this. I'd trade 50 crowns for a stance against dealbreaking because honestly I've had enough of it.

So to answer your question: I really don't care how many times Pyro TMs into you. I stayed out of negotiations on this effort because 1) people don't generally like me 2) I didn't care about the terms so long as there was the effort.

[wickedfail]

Still waiting for Godly to explain how are they having any chance at crown now with Pyro hitting for tms into the war :)

-75% gains on Pyro
+ Pool of Pyro

vs

+ No penalties in war for CR
+ Potential WW land bonus for CR
+ Pool of CR

My guess is CR will end up with more acres in the end. Time they both use pool etc.

[Elit]

"So you risk noting with being cool and say: ok guys war pyro but lets after it you war us if you win."
But we did.. that's exactly the deal we gave you.

No you didn't. You told us there is not CF extend and munk offered for few days lame deals to cello complete not acceptable. During this time our cows got complete fuked and all kd trained to deal with it and our chances to win for real vs pyro drooped. So if we win we wont win big. Its why you offered us deal what secure your n1 but was so late for us to get fair war with pyro too.
We had chat with pyro and there was some lame deal offer from them make chances kd win very high but its like pull pew pew...
I told my kd: donate free acres in hostile to pyro and raze retal Havoc after so we can keep all legit, but after vote pool ppl decide other. You need to understand its not my solo decision. If there is over half kd ppl ready to do what we did there is reason and every one from us don't support deal break. You simple pushed us so hard with no left back door for proper solution in time.

[Godly]

No you didn't. You told us there is not CF extend and munk offered for few days lame deals to cello complete not acceptable. During this time our cows got complete fuked and all kd trained to deal with it and our chances to win for real vs pyro drooped. So if we win we wont win big. Its why you offered us deal what secure your n1 but was so late for us to get fair war with pyro too.
We had chat with pyro and there was some lame deal offer from them make chances kd win very high but its like pull pew pew...
I told my kd: donate free acres in hostile to pyro and raze retal Havoc after so we can keep all legit, but after vote pool ppl decide other. You need to understand its not my solo decision. If there is over half kd ppl ready to do what we did there is reason and every one from us don't support deal break. You simple pushed us so hard with no left back door for proper solution in time.

Elit, how about losing gracefully? Or trying to overcome a hardship to win big? That's always an option isn't it? Are you that ridiculous that it's either win or break the rules?