CR vs AMA

[ideaotic]

is this thread closed now?

[Proteus]

1. CR would indeed have won the crown, no doubt about that
2. AMA would not in a million years have smashed PyroManiaCs, they even offered to premature suicide their cows so PyroManiaCs and them could get into war prior to CF expiry. This could very well have been labelled running though, were it not for the "reset clause".

After the razes on AMA's cows, PyroManiaCs had a better chance against CR than AMA. So, CR -vs- PyroManiaCs will be the aim. If both kingdoms agreed to fight at equal acres, that's their choice.

Intentionally giving pyro acres on purpose so they have a chance vs. havoc while we raze havoc is called screwing over havoc not being afraid/running. I am not sure why your kingdom is so arrogant, you haven;t done anything noteworthy...we've all done bigger and better things when it was harder to win than it is now.

We have 125+ people believing this GB is correct and 50 more not participating that agree to it (one being BB who out of respect of being allied to you won't physically help but whom agreed to stand off one of the new GB kds that is now helping).

When you are ready to open negotiations Elit for us to all move on you know where to find me. You must do the approaching now as this GB will not stop until you msg someone from Havoc/Rage/Pyro or Simians.

You do realize the only reason you, Drixx, or any other clown is even remotely involved in leading anything because the game is dead right, 5 ages ago no one would let peopole like this iwthin a mile of even council yet now when majority of community quit is your time to have your time in the sunshine. Thats the funniest thing about this.

[Elit]

I only have this to post:

[02:58] <Elit> we will suicde
[02:58] <Elit> its clear
[02:58] <NesTa13> suicide outsiders?
[02:58] <Elit> so your cows can tap x3-4
[02:58] <Elit> we can suoice on your cow non land attack for example
[02:58] <Elit> its details


Hypocrite much?

What you want to prove with this logs? After all ****s started again we loss all chances for get FAIR war with pyro. Why i need to waste mt time and war and if win need to waste more time agains much bigger disadvantage. I wanted FAIR war and its was loss. There is other cut with logs. enjoy them.

[07:37] <cJ> i think if ama-pyro war, at first ama has advantage. now pyro got a little advantage. i dont know if winner got any chance vs havoc
[07:37] <cJ> unless we make deal, loser of war must 'farm' out
[07:38] <cJ> you sure you dont want to consider both of us warring, and wwe cannot b2b and winner must fight havoc? if you think there's 0 chance for ama to win havoc (if ama-pyro fight normal. no farming out), then hmmm
[07:38] <Elit> we can make deal but its wont be so legit
[07:39] <Elit> and still its going to do alot dmg both kds
[07:39] <cJ> i dont know. one part of me says i should be happy if elit wants to LD acres to pyro and give pyro more chance to win havoc. the other part of me says i want to war ama fair and square. and try to win.
[07:39] <Elit> and i need to waste my time for war few days
[07:39] <Elit> its wont be fair war now for us
[07:39] <cJ> thing is, if we war. and let's say if it's clear 1 side win, maybe i can talk to nesta the other kingdom must 'farm' out

My offer for gave land for cf in hostile is much more legit.

[Tedurur]

Intentionally giving pyro acres on purpose so they have a chance vs. havoc while we raze havoc is called screwing over havoc not being afraid/running. I am not sure why your kingdom is so arrogant, you haven;t done anything noteworthy...we've all done bigger and better things when it was harder to win than it is now.



You do realize the only reason you, Drixx, or any other clown is even remotely involved in leading anything because the game is dead right, 5 ages ago no one would let peopole like this iwthin a mile of even council yet now when majority of community quit is your time to have your time in the sunshine. Thats the funniest thing about this.

lol, you are implying the game wasnt dead 5 ages ago? The amount of players has barely changed during these 5, or so ages, compared to the amount of players the game had when it was alive.

[American Badass]

Intentionally giving pyro acres on purpose so they have a chance vs. havoc while we raze havoc is called screwing over havoc not being afraid/running. I am not sure why your kingdom is so arrogant, you haven;t done anything noteworthy...we've all done bigger and better things when it was harder to win than it is now.

Just because they wronged AMA 4/5 ages ago? (I say AMA as you was not even playing in them). So AMA wanted to revenge the **** they received 5 ages ago and cause Havoc to then hold a grudge and have a genuine reason for revenge in future ages to scrub AMA out of a future crown? Does no one from AMA understand that the cycle will never break UNLESS we draw a line now and agree from age 60, no past **** can ever be mentioned as a reason to justify a future lame move or be a reason to justify one). I am hoping with this GB it draws the line and this lameplay has been actioned so Havoc can never use the line "AMA dealbroke us so we dealbroke them". In my eyes this GB is action enough to resolve it and IF havoc do refer to this as a reason for a ****play in future it will not wash.

Do you lot even listen/think or read what you type? Any normal person can hopefully now see in light of Proteus' and Elit's recent posts they deal broke and was prepared to do anything dirty to screw over Havoc. The whole "they threatened us with a thread start" is a whole smokescreen they are using to try and justify their actions. Anyone whom can't agree with this either is from AMA or walks around with their head up their arse which would be a reason they post so much bull ****.

AMA played really well this age beating both Pew and Rage from a disadvantage. Given recent ages AMA is probably the best kd (I personally think AMA/Havoc and BB are the best kingdoms currently but now in ages neither have had a chance to fight fairly... if anyone says why not it's because these 3 are not the only kingdoms playing the game. y all means if they want an even war set one up OOP where there is no deciding factors such as pump time to say whom had more time). I don't think anyone can take away from AMA how well they played but it is not Havoc's fault they played differently and was in a position to beat both AMA/Pyro. As everyone says, we all start the same and at 400 acres. From start to finish, we all have the ability to play in the same/different styles to get from A to B.

Also Elit you are correct in saying that Havoc was in best position to crown and they would have done most likely. But as we had to now action this deal break we do not want this crown to be remembered as "Havoc only won as they GBed AMA". You/Pyro have both noted now Havoc would of won but it is via your own actions that Pyro now receives a chance to crown, a chance Havoc proposed to wrong this right and to give some credibility back to this crown race.

These grudges need to stop. All of the top kingdoms are an embarrassment.

[Elit]

These grudges need to stop. All of the top kingdoms are an embarrassment.

If you think you can GB us like this and i will forget it you are wrong. Don't matter when but i will pay back it really hard all kds involved. Rage/Havoc/Pyro did ****s all age and now pretend to be moral and bring justice with this GB.

[American Badass]

Its funny how people from ur own "fair" alliance are saying this whole thing is a setup for pyro to get the crown. cJ already said that he was the one that organised the gb. Here is the way i see it:
-Havoc goes to every kd asking for help vs us (fact)
- Pyro does the math and since they were thinking we gonna raze the land said - hey we get the crown and we wont bother interfering in this mess.
- Simians are led by Anri.... No comment there
- Nesta and cJ find out we aint razing land ... hmm thats not good 1v1 vs big ama is impossible. We gather people up for GB
- Pyro and the rest tell havoc they will help if bla bla bla bla - Pyro gets 80% chance for crowning at least (100 if possible).
- AMA offers pyro a deal where pyro will get 50-60% chance to win the age + fair play will be restored - pyro said no (why get 50% when we get 80-100% from GB)
- GB starts and all show their true collors: Rage is acting up for their team and holding a grudge about us destroying them in 1v1, pyro goes for their crown riding the fair play horse, Simians are just monkeys, Havoc is trying to make points with the alliance hoping to go in next age, ex rage, havoc, siminans and pyro players from deep in the ghettoes are called out as well.
- What will happen next - pyro will pump up, war dmg-ed havoc and propably win the age by powerplaying and alliance help. GJ Nesta cJ u deserve this CROWN and this crown alone - no other way to get it so im down with u.


Cuddoes to Pew Pew for not going for this retarded GB. Earned my respect (cant even believe i say it :D).

Havoc actually came to Rage/Pyro/Pew for help and the negotiations were going nowhere. Me and xxx from havoc got them back on track so Elit, if you want to blame someone from Rage for this blame me. Drixx also though believes what you did was not correct but I was the one whom got negotiations rolling again.

[American Badass]

If you think you can GB us like this and i will forget it you are wrong. Don't matter when but i will pay back it really hard all kds involved. Rage/Havoc/Pyro did ****s all age and now pretend to be moral and bring justice with this GB.

I look forward to your retaliation in age 66 :P

As long as you do it within what is fair then there is no problem. If you create a 2v1, hit into a war, break a cf, expect retaliation like the same you are getting here. That goes for everyone too not just from your kingdom. That is not just from RPP either, it has been agreed upon by the current GB members. We'd appreciate AMA on board so that if it is Rage that plays **** you can help in a GB vs us. Just like you, I'd accept and await a GB if we play dirty, hence why we will play by the book and we'd appreciate everyone does.

You can b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b2b war us as long as you do so by not bending the rules.

To quote PS who is no longer with us :

[23:42] <PS> ud be stupid to be the only one playing by the rules when everyone eelse is making them up as they go along

We don't want to be sheep and play dirty to crown. We'd rather crown legit and have people congratulate us than to say we achieved it via bad play.

[Anri]

If you think you can GB us like this and i will forget it you are wrong. Don't matter when but i will pay back it really hard all kds involved. Rage/Havoc/Pyro did ****s all age and now pretend to be moral and bring justice with this GB.

Im sure you are, because it took you 5 ages to revenge what you call havoc that is CR now.
So this means all deals with you is void forever?

Might as well GB you every age if you dont intend to play fair in the top and never had intentions of doing so. You are digging your own grave.

[Proteus]

Just because they wronged AMA 4/5 ages ago? (I say AMA as you was not even playing in them). So AMA wanted to revenge the **** they received 5 ages ago and cause Havoc to then hold a grudge and have a genuine reason for revenge in future ages to scrub AMA out of a future crown? Does no one from AMA understand that the cycle will never break UNLESS we draw a line now and agree from age 60, no past **** can ever be mentioned as a reason to justify a future lame move or be a reason to justify one). I am hoping with this GB it draws the line and this lameplay has been actioned so Havoc can never use the line "AMA dealbroke us so we dealbroke them". In my eyes this GB is action enough to resolve it and IF havoc do refer to this as a reason for a ****play in future it will not wash.

Do you lot even listen/think or read what you type? Any normal person can hopefully now see in light of Proteus' and Elit's recent posts they deal broke and was prepared to do anything dirty to screw over Havoc. The whole "they threatened us with a thread start" is a whole smokescreen they are using to try and justify their actions. Anyone whom can't agree with this either is from AMA or walks around with their head up their arse which would be a reason they post so much bull ****.

AMA played really well this age beating both Pew and Rage from a disadvantage. Given recent ages AMA is probably the best kd (I personally think AMA/Havoc and BB are the best kingdoms currently but now in ages neither have had a chance to fight fairly... if anyone says why not it's because these 3 are not the only kingdoms playing the game. y all means if they want an even war set one up OOP where there is no deciding factors such as pump time to say whom had more time). I don't think anyone can take away from AMA how well they played but it is not Havoc's fault they played differently and was in a position to beat both AMA/Pyro. As everyone says, we all start the same and at 400 acres. From start to finish, we all have the ability to play in the same/different styles to get from A to B.

Also Elit you are correct in saying that Havoc was in best position to crown and they would have done most likely. But as we had to now action this deal break we do not want this crown to be remembered as "Havoc only won as they GBed AMA". You/Pyro have both noted now Havoc would of won but it is via your own actions that Pyro now receives a chance to crown, a chance Havoc proposed to wrong this right and to give some credibility back to this crown race.

These grudges need to stop. All of the top kingdoms are an embarrassment.

First I am glad you admit your own kd is embarrassment though I wouldn't call it a "top" kd. Your interpretation of events is completely wrong, having actually *played* in AMA I know for a fact we had good relations with havoc due to elit-zauper relationship. Why would havoc otherwise get a Y9 cf from us? This would have never happened if havoc played fair, agreed to original extension we proposed and zauper said they want to accept (after it was derailed by n00b council) and we would have fair war vs. Pyro with ~10% chance to beat Havoc after. When you are #1 kd with massive advantages from pumping all age, especially when pump was made possible with cf from AMA given in good will (havoc got cf for free they did not force it on us) least toucan do is give someone a fair chance rather than seek to erridicate them and give no chances whatsoever. There were ~4 weeks left in age, Havoc could have easily agreed to war AMA 2 weeks before eoa but no they wanted to do everything they can to make sure they war us NOW, especially after the razes happened. To me this is lack of confidence in your own ability and trying hardest to make sure you get all advantages (as if you don't have enough already). These actions only came about from Havoc's greed, disrespect, 2v1 threats, and ****play...if they kept the kd on the path which zauper set it on there would be no issues and fair 1v1 fight eoa. But when you 2v1 in past and then when your main leader leaves you act as same ghetto you once were, then this is what happens.

Also AB you talk about fairness right. Lets examine your own alliance and diplo play this age. You full know there are 6 kingdoms in range, about 3 of them with potential to crown.

How is it fair when 3 kingdoms make an eoa nap and the 4th kd cf them for 10 WEEKS! You realize this is completely unfair to the remaining two kingdoms. What this means is majority of 4 kds will get to put up cows, pump on 30% draft all age, and farm ghettos without retaliation. Whereas the two kingdoms on the outside of your little nap ring have to go through b2b2b wars and get vultured as AMA has done this age.

If you guys want to promote fairness why don't you dissolve your alliance next age, you are competing for crown and trying to prove you guys are good...where is the skill in ganging up on 1-2 kingdoms, putting them through b2b fights, and seeing who can farm ghettos the best? If you guys are good why don't you win crown without allies, or make it to #1 without allies. Alliances are fine when there is an equally balanced (or close to equally balanced) opposing force such as Abs-vs-Non Abs. Abs was the strongest alliance but non-Abs won several ages as well and did good (flogger's wins).

Seriously having your alliance around only says one thing to me that you guys are not good enough to beat kingdoms like AMA 1v1 and need alliance as an insurance policy (the events of this age have proven this).

[wickedfail]

Intentionally giving pyro acres on purpose so they have a chance vs. havoc while we raze havoc is called screwing over havoc not being afraid/running. I am not sure why your kingdom is so arrogant, you haven;t done anything noteworthy...we've all done bigger and better things when it was harder to win than it is now.

You realize that this is Pyro's first time trying for crown right? You're making it seem their doing an absolutely terrible job at it. Considering how lame this thread is getting, I think they are doing a decent job at handling all this garbage.

I would almost argue that winning a crown now is harder. Warring, whoring, avoiding ****play for an entire round? Seems hard to do. If your so good at it, why would you be in the situation that you were in? I feel experienced players wouldn't have 2 cf's with 2 opponents end on the same date. Then from the result of terrible cf management, get backed into a corner. Seems like a ghetto move to me. Maybe you should just retire. Game isn't like it used to be, and you suck at current game.

[Fury]

Im sure you are, because it took you 5 ages to revenge what you call havoc that is CR now.
So this means all deals with you is void forever?

Might as well GB you every age if you dont intend to play fair in the top and never had intentions of doing so. You are digging your own grave.

I cant stop imagining your KD like the kid brought to a safari by his parents(rest of the GBing kds). And you keep throwing rocks at all the dangerous animals knowing you are perfectly safe in your jeep.

[Anri]

If AMA had not backstabbed thier allies that would not be a big issues thou, just saying, you choose to be loners, not even BB takes your stance.
Think about it. Is it them or is it you that make it this unbalanced?

[Proteus]

You realize that this is Pyro's first time trying for crown right? You're making it seem their doing an absolutely terrible job at it. Considering how lame this thread is getting, I think they are doing a decent job at handling all this garbage.

I would almost argue that winning a crown now is harder. Warring, whoring, avoiding ****play for an entire round? Seems hard to do. If your so good at it, why would you be in the situation that you were in? I feel experienced players wouldn't have 2 cf's with 2 opponents end on the same date. Then from the result of terrible cf management, get backed into a corner. Seems like a ghetto move to me. Maybe you should just retire. Game isn't like it used to be, and you suck at current game.

So you think winning a crown when there are 3 "top" level kingdoms left in the game compared to 10+ kingdoms is harder? This entire age pyro had help from the n00b alliance with 3 way nap and 10 week cf with havoc while AMA played ALONE, beat the n00b alliance kds back to back from bad positions and still was in much better position than pyro majority of age up until razes came from ex-mercy/havoc player in ghetto. Where is the logic here?

So I am guessing if pyro wins a crown 3 ages later when there are 2 kingdoms competing for #1 only it will still be as hard as even 1 year ago when the game was much more competitive?

You are really talking out of your butt because there is nothing wrong with having cfs end on same date with multiple kingdoms and it has happened before and people hyave used it strategically to their advantage. The difference now is last few ages you have "warring" kingdoms who used to never be able to reach T5 before until all other good kds disband or take age off (Sanc, hoh, fratzia, etc.) so there is room for anyone to come into top5 if they wish and kds like pewpew come in and "claim" you with dibs and promise to 2v1 if you try to fight anyone but them. No one is entitled to fight someone when your cf ends, the end of a duration cf only means you are entitled to NOTICE nothing more , nothing less.

If suck at current game you mean avoiding ****play from other kds, yes we suck at not being ****played because kingdoms in this current era are just not good enough to beat AMA 1v1 so have to resort to other bull**** to try and win.

[Anri]

I cant stop imagining your KD like the kid brought to a safari by his parents(rest of the GBing kds). And you keep throwing rocks at all the dangerous animals knowing you are perfectly safe in your jeep.

Ohh snap

I cant stop imaging you with thick glasses, greasy hair and being a nobody but a puppet for Elit that sitts in a corner most of the time and plays his little chess games. It has left a bad picture in my head so i am gonna get some air and spend some time with my hot wife and forget all about you and utopia. Hasta la vista loser