CR vs AMA

[KennyPowers]

Well, not quite. The other KDs are continuing to participate because they still feel AMA is a threat and would lose if left to fend for themselves. Contrary to what people have stated, the alliance's objectives are no longer ethically-focused, if they even were to begin with.

You may be right but who cares about who finishes 4,5,6 etc

[Elit]

I see much talk of how much AMA deserve a (continued) GB and very little talk of what this 'Fair Play Alliance' has decided amongst themselves in terms of end game once the GB has finished, what the fair play criteria are, what the agreements are between themselves and how these things are going to be enforced going forward.

Is this, perchance, more than a coincidence.

Its main reason why we have support include from ppl don't like us much. Tag "fair play" is joke and piss off rest ppl. No one is stupid to believe its about fair play :P

[Aranfein]

No fair in continues GB, damage done.

The GB goals of what to archieve and when to stop should have been agreed before starting.

1). Make AMA unable to get crown?
2). Punish AMA for past crimes too?
3). Kill of 1 or 25?
4). Gain CF's for all involved in GBing them age out?
5). Knocking them out of top10?
6). Making sure Pyro/CR can fight for crown without AMA interference? (Making AMA agree to this?)
7). Forcing AMA, not to war more this age?
8). Forcing AMA to sign CF'ers for ages to come? (lol)

Ive said it many times, i dont agree to dealbreaks, and a punishment should be given, but there are ways of giving it and this has started to look more like "powerplaying" over a KD thats already down, and with no set goals as far as ive heard in this thread, its turned into a free for all (Lets keep hitting them so they cant fight anyone anymore this age, which is not exactly a fair punishment as the punishment should fit the crime "ie, keep them from crown as thats what they wanted").

[Zauper]

Can't really end until all parties have a CF, or don't want one. Unreasonable to hang someone out to dry after they helped you.

It's pretty much 1/4, I think from that list, I think.

[jjofdenmark]

Its main reason why we have support include from ppl don't like us much. Tag "fair play" is joke and piss off rest ppl. No one is stupid to believe its about fair play :P

The fair play concept was okay to begin with. You more or less even said so in the beginning. As things progress into a not fair fair play, it seems a bit more obvious that this is not only about that one dealbreak. I'm not sorry for taking part of the first part of this gb, since it's fair in my book, that this specific action could not be overlooked. I am however no way sorry that we don't tag fair play anymore, since that concept as been tainted just as much as the crown has.

[Crunch]

the Fake fair play alliance is a joke.. the entire age this hypocritical alliance had a goal to beat down ama... their attempt to dictate and manipulate who and when ama would war first pew pumped and Fake rage pumped and war ama each thinking ama would have no shot at a win.. their goal was to war ama and win all 3 wars back to back first pew who was much larger than ama .. than Fake rage who was much larger than ama .. ama.. accepted each challenge as it came even though they were the underdog in size.. however due to much better leadership and game play ama crushed pew and than crushed Fake rage.. we all would have seen a great battle when they were going to war ama vs pyro but the crew form the Fake fair play alliance would not have it so CR made their dirty threats and deal break ... ama still did not complain they took the fight to this dishonorable rogue CR and waved... dirty CR knowing they could not win 1 on 1 called for a GB of ama and the fake rage alliance was more than happy to go with the GB cause they knew their plan to beat ama though 1 on 1 back to back wars was failing because they are very poor players compared to ama... seems they are good at bashing inactive ghettos but very poor at 1 on 1 wars

really Utopians you want to be controlled by this Fake hypocritical fair play alliance? this game lost 7% of players last age to this age and my guess would be more than 10% going into next age if this Fake fair play alliance stays in power and dictates Utopian play.. only solution is server war...

[Aranfein]

Agree jjofdenmark.

Initial idea was to stop AMA crowning after Dealbreak (goal reached, and if not can always get together again closer to end and stop them), telling them who they can war isnt that powerplaying? if they dont wish to give CF's then shouldnt they be allowed not to, seeing initial goal has been reached?

If scared of them interfering with CR vs Pyro? get them to make that deal, and if you say they cant be trusted, then you might as well kill them off...I thought this GB was meant to wipe the past clean which was also in talks. So the trusting has to start somewhere?

Elit threatening with coming after those that joined in is just that... a threat(just like CR's players gave threats... If you see him threatening as a clear indication of carrying it out, then CR dealbroke by threatening on forum too...).

Beside 20 vs 25 at the top should be enough to win against AMA, or is AMA that much better then the other top KDs?

I know they declared on RBL (and I got huge respect for Drixx), but this should be considered a fair 1vs1 war now, after AMA has been GB'd.

[Anri]

The fair play concept was okay to begin with. You more or less even said so in the beginning. As things progress into a not fair fair play, it seems a bit more obvious that this is not only about that one dealbreak. I'm not sorry for taking part of the first part of this gb, since it's fair in my book, that this specific action could not be overlooked. I am however no way sorry that we don't tag fair play anymore, since that concept as been tainted just as much as the crown has.

I think our side is willing to negotiate and sitt down with Elit and some others in some channel.
But there is much to take into account and its hard to end this. AMA needs protection even from KDs we have no control over and id like to see Pyro remove the acres they took in TM hits etc. But we can start somewhere whenever Elit feels he is ready to talk terms and deals with the top.

[Anri]

Beside 20 vs 25 at the top should be enough to win against AMA, or is AMA that much better then the other top KDs?

I know they declared on RBL (and I got huge respect for Drixx), but this should be considered a fair 1vs1 war now, after AMA has been GB'd.

Its really about them being able to stack unlimited acres into banks in war, that not all kds could carry out and take down in war. Its not about being 20 vs 25 or whatever.

But we willing to talk to Elit whenever

[Elit]

Agree jjofdenmark.

I know they declared on RBL (and I got huge respect for Drixx), but this should be considered a fair 1vs1 war now, after AMA has been GB'd.

Its "fair" 3vs1. For last 10h we got 45 oow hits from Simians and 29 hits from Rusty.

I think our side is willing to negotiate and sitt down with Elit and some others in some channel.
But there is much to take into account and its hard to end this. AMA needs protection even from KDs we have no control over and id like to see Pyro remove the acres they took in TM hits etc. But we can start somewhere whenever Elit feels he is ready to talk terms and deals with the top.

Terms we talked with Pyro last day was perfect fine. WE CF eoa and Gave up n1. What more you want? Demand raze acres after you pk 5 provs? Not going to happen.

[Aranfein]

CR should raze their acres from WW and Pyro from their TMs... both unfairly gained.

Terms to AMA should be decent and something that can be negotiated, not just something that is given and forced to sign with no room to negotiate (cause then its not called a negotiation).

Beside Crunch your post sounds very arrogant, and this is probs why so many dislike AMA, end of the day you deserved the GB for what you did, but again the GB has to fit the crime and not turn into powerplaying a KD already down. (And ive seen plenty of players better and less arrogant then what i see from Your post/AMA), but i still dont think they deserve to be hammered an extra time for a "fair 1on1" in my opinion.

[Elit]

Beside Crunch your post sounds very arrogant, and this is probs why so many dislike AMA, end of the day you deserved the GB for what you did, but again the GB has to fit the crime and not turn into powerplaying a KD already down. (And ive seen plenty of players better and less arrogant then what i see from Your post/AMA), but i still dont think they deserve to be hammered an extra time for a "fair 1on1" in my opinion.

No one from us know who is Crunch but he dont play in AMA.

[Aranfein]

In that case i apologise for my post about the arrogance Elit. He made it sound like he plays for AMA

[Crunch]

seems what this dirty Fake fair play alliance wants to do is get free CF deals from ama for next age to stop the GB...

they call themselves fair play yet they can't fight their own battles, they can't war 1 on 1 and they can not function in the top with out these CF deals... if they were really for fair play they would not be looking for free CF deals from ama for next age and would actually stand up and agree to no CF deals for any one next age unless earned though war.. they wont do this because they can't war all they know how to do is pump get your free cf in place so you can bash ghettos and leave 20dpa at home cause the CFs will protect you from getting hit..

[Elit]

In that case i apologise for my post about the arrogance Elit. He made it sound like he plays for AMA

NP when come to forum posting i don't limit most from time ppl in kd. I was unfair only with Proteus few times and im apologize to all rest for not let you read his post :)