It is really funny how the leadership of several kingdoms are blatantly mixing up the facts for their kingdom mates here, or the people posting here do not access to facts and speculating what they are, or they just hell bent on posting false stuff to stir **** :D
Let me state this again: We do not condone AMA's dealbreaking and still feel we are right to partake the start of the GB.
Originally Posted by Ezzerland
12 hours before AMA declared rage, Nesta got a deal with Elit which is 1) CF to all parties involved in the gb to eoa 2) AMA do not crown 3) AMA will not shape charts this age. Yes this does not mean that AMA will raze a single cow acre (but they can choose to do so if they decide to go warring after this. this is up to them), but I believe this is what the alliance strive to achieve. AMA loses its' crowning chances, and AMA will not shape charts, and there's eoacf to all those involved in the gb. In fact, I am just wondering whether did we actually have a fixed goal/target at the start, but I recall the general sentiments are those 3.
So, it is clear that it is a CF to all parties involved in gb. I do not wish to take logs from the alliance channel and post it here.
After this was rejected and the alliance pushed for what nesta+me felt were unreasonable demands and not in the stance of fairplay, and with the addition of comments thrown by high council members of several kingdoms about doing xx/yyy/zz to AMA etc etc before they are willing to end it... this is the rationale why Pyros decide to pull out. Peple may say that we left Rage hanging, we probably may have done so, but we got a reasonable CF (which leaders of those kingdoms are starting to see it) that could end all relations and cancel buttons etc, but it wasnt agreed. And the alliance is heading towards a kill AMA motive.
Btw, Anri, I really lol-ed at you. When Pyros hinted at the slightest bit that they might pull out 12hrs before they did, you literally straight away went to your dear-est friend in AMA... and asked him for AMA and Simians to CF it up, and then come and GB Pyro. Like instantly. lol Sure no problem, but minutes before that you were saying different stuff of what you wanted to do to AMA.
For those saying Pyros should raze their acres gained from the alliance action, We will talk to several internal and external parties and then decide from then what's the rightful and fair action. As far as I know, this was the final message in the alliance channel that was made by Nesta.
'Hi everyone, please remove me, CJ and other representatives from my KD from this channel. We'll be taking our leave. After very thorough consideration among our council and sources close to our hearts (no, its not AMA, or flogger, or PS), we feel (*REMOVED*) is a stance we cannot take. We will accept all consequences (*EDIT:maybe not*) dished by the group here, including gangbang on us, as what was being thrown around here 8 hours ago. We just feel this is the right thing to do, and it's more important to do the right thing, than the easy thing. We will maintain a neutral stance.'
(btw we made a bet whether we will be kicked above 1.5mins below 1.5mins after the post.. and I lost on the side that I took :( damn 10usd)
From what I recall (I may be wrong), Nesta initially offered 12hrs before this to raze some acres off, but that was with the group agreeing to the CF deal he got with AMA at that particular point in time. Whether or not we will need to adhere to this even if the same CF deal is made, we will refer to 'We will talk to several internal and external parties and then decide from then what's the rightful and fair action' listed 2 paragraphs above.
Once again, if we were to just care about acres, we would have just TM-ed all the way and make more than 4 cow hits (which came way into war protection) over the course of the war. Someone said 15k was what we gained, I actually havent formatted papers but Nesta calculated it to be 12.8k. We could easily do 30+k acres if we wanted. However, we followed the conditions of this alliance which state that Pyros&CR would have a war soon after the gb, and CR&Pyro would match acres after the war.. and we did our fair share of razing. And again, I cannot stress further that AMA still has those 2 cows because we were told to not touch them (from talks with topsy, this turns out to be a grave misunderstanding and both of us acknowledges it).
In addition, there were threats that were mentioned about some people regarding Pyros. If these were to happen, we will not take it lying down.
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It seems to me that the alliance is now trying to solve things diplomatically for things to end. I hope it is because they believe that it is because the initial terms are unreasonable and that it's best to compromise for a peaceful solution to settle things.
