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[Godly]

I view the 24 hr protection as a poorly balanced feature, yes. There are many ways to use it to your advantage. Some of them have been highlighted in this thread, some of them have not (I'll be saving those for another day).

[Korp]

I view the 24 hr protection as a poorly balanced feature, yes. There are many ways to use it to your advantage. Some of them have been highlighted in this thread, some of them have not (I'll be saving those for another day).

Well, now we come to the thing you dont seem to get. What you think doesnt matter :)

[TommyB]

Why is it legal to have your allies release to 0 thieves and rob them or 0 defense and hit them?

When was this reported and deemed legit?

[Bishop]

Bishop removed 80k nw. About 20-25k troops. He removed it from provs that were 1-2 tappable and exclusively from dspecs making them landfarms. We aided 9k solds which we obviously could have had on those provs. those provs would have been out of commission for 4 days total, clearly not as good as just running them from the start.

This is incorrect, 20-25k troops were not removed and they were not exclusively from d specs. About 12k troops were removed as you aided GC (about 200k a prov, which i cant remove directly) as well as soldiers and i took them from top down, i.e soldiers down to thieves. As i cannot release troops out i released whatever was home.

[Darkz Azn]

do we tag fairplay yet or what?

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

i think the real question here should be - if i have no real money to pay for the game, can i use this 'smart' strategy? im personally a poor guy, does it mean i cant use these 'clever' use of mechanics?

[Ezzerland]

Oh, i didn't realise your guys respawned after being razekilled and that this actually occurred last age when that quote was relevant. I thought this happened this age after your guys abused the reset mechanic to funnel aid out.

Why are you trying to pretend these are two separate cases? Last age BoB vs Rusty war saw players aid out and reset their provinces and then aid back into those provs in prot to come oop in war 24h later to be stronger. You're trying to make it out like they never used the reset mechanic, but both sides most definitely did.

Anyway, thank you for clarifying that your opinion has changed on this subject from last age to this one.

[Bishop]

Why are you trying to pretend these are two separate cases? Last age BoB vs Rusty war saw players aid out and reset their provinces and then aid back into those provs in prot to come oop in war 24h later to be stronger. You're trying to make it out like they never used the reset mechanic, but both sides most definitely did.

Anyway, thank you for clarifying that your opinion has changed on this subject from last age to this one.

Godly is quoting me on an entirely different scenario than what occurred here, so yes - they are two separate cases. What happened last age is no longer relevant anyway.

[ZenithSun]

Some people abused reset function to get a leg up, were caught, and got punished. Be thankful at least you didn't get banned and you can stay together as a kingdom. In the past in Utopia, people haven't been so lucky. Imo it's commendable leniency by GMs, and reassuring that someone is watching loophole abuse.

Can't see why you are then also coming onto forums and *****ing like a twelve year old AOL dial-up noob, maybe risking further punishment. If you are such a good player, revise your strategy and get better.

[Crazy Pete]

So when do we all Tag "Fair Play" and hit into CR's War?

They enjoy restarting provinces so I suggest we start with the largest first!

[Runefire]

So when do we all Tag "Fair Play" and hit into CR's War?

They enjoy restarting provinces so I suggest we start with the largest first!

As it has already been actioned by Bishop, it would not be in the spirit of fair play.

[Ezzerland]

What happened last age is no longer relevant anyway.

As an admin, I am sure it is frustrating to have players constantly bothering or attacking you for things you did, didn't, or should have done in their eyes.
As a player, it is frustrating to have such large discrepancies from one age to the next. How were CR/RBL to know that what happened last age was no longer acceptable this age?

[Bishop]

As an admin, I am sure it is frustrating to have players constantly bothering or attacking you for things you did, didn't, or should have done in their eyes.
As a player, it is frustrating to have such large discrepancies from one age to the next. How were CR/RBL to know that what happened last age was no longer acceptable this age?

We made a mechanic change to stop it (mechanic changes are usually preferable to punitive action). I've already stated that this wasn't enough though. You'd want to have a pretty selective view to judge that this action could be considered legitimate and according to IRC people in the kingdom knew it wasn't.

[protector]

Yes, create the thread. Regarding BB, they played fair last ages from my perspective but they also have a bad history in many ways. I can mention several things that was borderline. (Flogger warring HoH and wding right before EoA to give them crown, yes, Flogger played together with Ravenant before and Flogger told me they had EoA cf, you can call it friendly war, but when warring a KD so much bigger before EoA to give them warwin, its not about being friendly, its about giving HoH the charity crown, it is probably worse then what my own KD did, because BB never got cornered into doing it, they just set it up to hand HoH the crown). Little do we speak about this, because, its BB, they all so fair over there, they only hacked provs and powerplayed etc. Id like only to highlight that none of the KDs above has been fair in the past but is trying to change and some of them played for for the last 2-3 ages at least. More then we can say about pyromaniacs that use allies to fund thier own wars to have a better chance of winning the wars. I dont buy all of your BS cJ and i think more and more people have learnt to see thru it. Does not matter how much bold and underlined text you use. Also, from what i know, you have no idea of what has been going on in the top before you came there so stop acting as if you know **** about it. You can talk about last 2 ages etc all you like, but dont pretend you know what went down before this and in what way it went down. The top been poluted forever and BB nor Simians, AMA, pew or anyone else up there is free from ****play. All done it, some done it better then others, some tried to hide it or managed to hide it better and some just done it right infront everyone else. Almost like Pyro thinks no one will notice how they farm allies for gc to get edge in top wars. cJ, its okey if you want to post all good deeds you done, id like to see that list.

You still dont get it do you, we want to make the future of this game better, what happend in the past does not matter and you certainly do not know much about the past so you are the last player that should say something about it.

Using a game mechanics to thier strength has NOTHING to do with fair play to avoid dealbreaks and all of that. Mechanics is a whole other topic. Dont twist your head to much over it. I know you cant tell the difference.

Maybe you can go report the one that sent you 25 messages to Bishop, if you figured out yet why it was done. Its a flaw in the system as well. big lol on that one

You warred Rage last age with zero chances to win. How is that any different from the "fun war" we had against HoH? If we shaped charts you did just as much :)

Just to clarify; we had no EOA Nap with HoH that age. I'm not sure where that's coming from.. I played with a bunch of Havoc's players yet I have no EOA Nap with them either. We had a cease fire with HoH (which ended somewhere in the YR7-8 area iirc) with a notice. And nobody wanted to give us notice. HoH at some point gave that notice and we took them to war. We were bored and convinced we could make a dent into their provs with NM waves. Our strategy partially failed as a result of having moderate successrate on NMs and moderate results. Did we farm out? Hell no. We just lost. Had we dragged the war, we would've lost more acres.
Would we have warred Rage had they noticed? Probably not, because our relations weren't exactly good. Some kingdoms are on good terms, others neutral and some are on bad terms.

The age we won, we had a war against Mercy as the 4th war. It was close to end of age when it happened. Sanctuary actually became the runner-ups and despite us having beat them OOP, they would have a small chance to pass us. A chance they would have if Mercy would have dragged the war ahead. Showing their sportsmanship, Mercy withdrew from the war letting us have the win we deserved.

[Sheister]

We made a mechanic change to stop it (mechanic changes are usually preferable to punitive action). I've already stated that this wasn't enough though. You'd want to have a pretty selective view to judge that this action could be considered legitimate and according to IRC people in the kingdom knew it wasn't.

Well that may be true Bishop. But as per Godly, they thought you were stupid and would not do anything about it. Therefore it is unfair of you to upset their expectations and be other than stupid.