Anything interesting happening?

[DonJuan]

Faegan, if you dont want to believe our reasons, then why ask about them? We expected 5:21 to be ama, bb or pyro. So we waited 6 hours and waved. Setup suggested whoring since its a weird setup for early age warring unless you try to trick some ghetto. Against a decent KD your setup is terrible early age.
You guys didnt do your homework and secure cf's with nearby threats while running a full whoring build. You got chaught. Only reason you managed to do okay was because bishop helped you guys. Else it would have been a min time war

Bishop didnt help us out...all of you can claim that all you want.

You guys were abusing the game...period...which is why there was action and punishment.

There are some in Pyro who still haven't figured out why a 25 player KD would wait 7hrs after OOP to wave another 25 player KD...so understand why some are even considering espionage (which is really more nub than not knowing the true reason).

Procy and I already figured out that CR would want to be aggressive after crowning since the circumstances on how the last age ended...they would not want to be target #1 by whoring right out the gate...thus waving whatever 25 player KD that they see first and attempt to get a free wave.

Unfortunately it was too late to realize it and we warred with no regret...since we know that an early loss does not deter us from contending for a crown later on.

Regardless whatever plan CR had in mind that either included their "farms" or not...Bishop did not handicap CR to give Pyro a fighting chance.

CR made a mistake trying to be crafty in order to come up big in their first war...instead they gained chump change after their plan failed and instead now try to degrade our effort to minimize their gains.

[Maximouse]

DJ, you gonna claim it would have been a good fight if bishop didnt step in?:D lol
It seems bishop believes we shouldnt have reset the 2 provinces. Thats what we did wrong in his mind. Why he implented the "aid as hostile action" then makes very little sense though, since that was put in exactly for the reason to make aiding out and resetting on the spot not possible. The game stops you from resetting and gives you a timer (24h) after sending aid. But it seems you need to use those 24h to ask bishop if your alowed to reset.

Faegan I told you before but I guess I will tell you again. Due to procy we had serious indication of your setup. We didnt know which KD we would wave. We expected you to be ama/bb/pyro just from using logical deduction. Since we didnt care which of the 3 it was we waved.
You should really ask yourself how cj knew you got waved by CR. You guys knew you got waved by CR. We only knew we waved pyro after you posted on the warforums. So, who is using the "spies"?

[StratOcastle]

DJ, you gonna claim it would have been a good fight if bishop didnt step in?:D lol
It seems bishop believes we shouldnt have reset the 2 provinces. Thats what we did wrong in his mind. Why he implented the "aid as hostile action" then makes very little sense though, since that was put in exactly for the reason to make aiding out and resetting on the spot not possible. The game stops you from resetting and gives you a timer (24h) after sending aid. But it seems you need to use those 24h to ask bishop if your alowed to reset.

Faegan I told you before but I guess I will tell you again. Due to procy we had serious indication of your setup. We didnt know which KD we would wave. We expected you to be ama/bb/pyro just from using logical deduction. Since we didnt care which of the 3 it was we waved.
You should really ask yourself how cj knew you got waved by CR. You guys knew you got waved by CR. We only knew we waved pyro after you posted on the warforums. So, who is using the "spies"?

That just comes off rude. You've won the war and have absorbed a game integrity punishment, you should attempt to put this behind you. I'm not buying Pyro did much in the back rooms of Utopia vs a kingdom with you're credentials. You have a fine kingdom with great players. If last age you could've answered the wave by AMA with " we got this " instead of FP I might have higher regard. BUT, with your attitude and actions this age it's clear that while you may have nice guys in kingdom you have no class as a whole. I command you to fix this.

[protector]

I don't know where you joined the conversation at, but as if the active conversation mattered, the thread title & point makes the word 'interesting' the only relevant conversation.

Edit - I also just heard a rumour that BB used the explore bug this age. If this is true, all the more interesting! Can you confirm?

We explored at median size ;p
Once we noticed it was still bugged, we told Bishop when he showed up but we didn't explore additional acres.

Awesome. If you got the strength to hold top spot(s) (I can't see charts atm), then you should abuse it while Bishop still says it's ok and keep that prov going tickly! :)

I'd rather the bug had already been fixed. This gives everyone exploring above median size an advantage as they can double despite not exploring at/below median. We could have doubled a day earlier using the bug and be the same size.

[Ezzerland]

I'd rather the bug had already been fixed. This gives everyone exploring above median size an advantage as they can double despite not exploring at/below median. We could have doubled a day earlier using the bug and be the same size.

I'd rather this also. I'd also like to be able to trust something that Bishop says, because I don't like "I changed my mind" as a reason to action people. I'd also like it if bug abuse was bug abuse was bug abuse, but I guess exploiting some bugs is perfectly acceptable. I admit, I will never understand Bishop.

[DonJuan]

That just comes off rude. You've won the war and have absorbed a game integrity punishment, you should attempt to put this behind you. I'm not buying Pyro did much in the back rooms of Utopia vs a kingdom with you're credentials. You have a fine kingdom with great players. If last age you could've answered the wave by AMA with " we got this " instead of FP I might have higher regard. BUT, with your attitude and actions this age it's clear that while you may have nice guys in kingdom you have no class as a whole. I command you to fix this.

+1

At no point do I want to take your credit away for a war win...however it Is very tasteless to say we had been lucky that Bishop helped us when in fact we only took advantage of the only mistake CR made...just sounds like poor showmanship.

Just as I told CJ it was very tasteless to accuse Hawk of spying when he was simply QQing about the punishment...it makes us look like sore losers.

[Maximouse]

Pyro claimed they declared cause they could minimise our gains in war. The only reason that worked is because of what bishop did. Without bishops actions you wouldnt have been able to keep us on even acres. So bishops actions helped you.

If stating the facts makes me sound rude, so be it. I dont really care much for public opinion.

And wether or not bishops move was justified, I guess all has been said about that allready.
Aiding out, waiting 24 hours and then resetting is game abuse.
Getting robbed intra kd on oop and then resetting isnt game abuse.
You all should wonder why the 24h thingie got put into place.

Ofcourse those against CR will say its fair what bisshop did. Nothing can convince you all otherwise anyways so I shouldnt bother trying I guess.

[faegan]

Pyro claimed they declared cause they could minimise our gains in war. The only reason that worked is because of what bishop did. Without bishops actions you wouldnt have been able to keep us on even acres. So bishops actions helped you.

If stating the facts makes me sound rude, so be it. I dont really care much for public opinion.

And wether or not bishops move was justified, I guess all has been said about that allready.
Aiding out, waiting 24 hours and then resetting is game abuse.
Getting robbed intra kd on oop and then resetting isnt game abuse.
You all should wonder why the 24h thingie got put into place.

Ofcourse those against CR will say its fair what bisshop did. Nothing can convince you all otherwise anyways so I shouldnt bother trying I guess.

You wouldn't have been actioned if you had not done just one of the things below:
1. Aid
2. Reset

Keep in mind that had you been actioned before you waved us, you'd have lost offense instead of defense.

As for me not trusting you on your word, Maximouse, let me ask you the same question: would you trust me on my word if things happened that you do not understand and I told just it's like such and such? I'm still learning quite a bit; next age we'll most likely also have world demographics during protection.

[Ezzerland]

You wouldn't have been actioned if you had not done just one of the things below:
1. Aid
2. Reset
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CR/RBL should not have been actioned. When a game admin says something is acceptable and within the rules, it should remain accetpable until the admin specifies otherwise. Saying it's ok for one group and not for another is unacceptable. You and other people continuously post here that CR/RBL should have known better and not 'abused' the reset system, but you continuously ignore multiple facts of the situation. For example, did you know that Bishop also said it's 100% accetpable to intra-kd rob a province and then reset it? Here's a clue, there is no 24h cool down to reset when you are robbed, but there is when you aid out. There is no impact on your TB when you rob, but there is when you take aid. Gee, I wonder why is it that one is acceptable and the other is not?

Right.. you don't care about any of that.

[Godly]

I suspect that we were allowed to rob as an olive branch due to him realizing that the action was unwarranted. That's the only way I can rationalize aid/reset to be abuse but not rob/reset. Except we didn't even get to rob anything since they got booted out 1 hour early and Pyro robbed everything. Pyro knew exactly when they would be coming out too... so I don't know what that means.

Like I genuinely feel bad for Bishop because I understand how much crap he has to deal with (probably for free -- I doubt B&S pay him much, if anything), but like a little consistency isn't much to ask for. This entire ordeal cost the kd ~3k acres and cost leadership countless hours of sleep having to actually try to win an otherwise guaranteed mintime win.

[TommyB]

nevermind

[DonJuan]

I suspect that we were allowed to rob as an olive branch due to him realizing that the action was unwarranted. That's the only way I can rationalize aid/reset to be abuse but not rob/reset. Except we didn't even get to rob anything since they got booted out 1 hour early and Pyro robbed everything. Pyro knew exactly when they would be coming out too... so I don't know what that means.

Like I genuinely feel bad for Bishop because I understand how much crap he has to deal with (probably for free -- I doubt B&S pay him much, if anything), but like a little consistency isn't much to ask for. This entire ordeal cost the kd ~3k acres and cost leadership countless hours of sleep having to actually try to win an otherwise guaranteed mintime win.

To be honest...we just calculated the time out of protection since we witnessed the reset...then guessed if it was either a 24hr prot or 72 hr prot

[Godly]

It was 71 hr prot.

[Maximouse]

Faegan, do explain how it would have been okay if we had just robbed the provs then. Sounds like a huge amount of double standards, and as godly pointed out, there is probably 1 reason for it.
Howcome robbing 2 provs for all their resources and then resetting would have been okay but aiding it out and waiting the required 24h and then resetting wouldnt? Seems to me like we should have just robbed, avoided the 24h reset thingie.

About the loc thing. Go talk to CJ. He knew our loc before we knew yours. We just had it narrowed down to 1 of 3 kd's by using logic. If anything you should question him about how he got our loc. Did he use spies? Did he hack utonet? Did he use some multi prov to sent all those messages I keep hearing about?
Lets go with the conspiracy theories. But this time, lets focus them on pyro. If anything there seems to be some valid reason for it atleast.

Edit: And as godly said. The provs were in protection for 71 hours. Even though bishop had said they would come out on the 2nd, they exit on the 1st. And pyro had people online for that? Go conspiracy theories again....

[2Utopian]

I have a cool new thievery op called rob barracks that steals soldiers from a province.