BB vs PewPew

[Shai]

We haven't killed 150k troops with 15-16 bounces. We killed a lot, but far from "150k with 16 bounces". (they had ~220k and ~240k total troops -dspec+elites- on their cows)
Mayor has 18% hospitals, Chancellor 20%

Yeah ur right, the SoT I was shown first was totally wrong. Got a tact sot on my own now and it shows 149k troops on Mayor compared to 238k yeasterday. So more like 89k killed in 16 bounces.

Apologise for the incorrect info. Still overpowered thou :)

[Spice]

Lol, looks like PewPew pulled a stunt again!

[Tox]

In an effort to educate BB on how to properly attack, we are putting on a clinic.

You see the key is to send MORE offense than they have defense, as evidenced here:

June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Mayor Mare (x:x) invaded Chancellor Puddinghead (x:x) and razed 2,369 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Chancellor Puddinghead (x:x) invaded Mayor Mare (x:x) and razed 2,392 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Chancellor Puddinghead (x:x) invaded Mayor Mare (x:x) and razed 1,913 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Sapphire Shores (x:X) invaded Chancellor Puddinghead (x:x) and razed 1,895 acres of land.

[MrCurious]

You mad because they dont give button, or mad because they are winning the hostile? I dont get this move.

[Korp]

In an effort to educate BB on how to properly attack, we are putting on a clinic.

You see the key is to send MORE offense than they have defense, as evidenced here

In a attempt to learn Tox the most famous rule in the forums, NO LOCS. Besides, lol. "We failed cowing so we raze them to spite BB" :) Its Simians and Pewpew i guess :P

[BungArm]

Lol, looks like PewPew pulled a stunt again!

We're entertainers !

/dance

[Runefire]

In an effort to educate BB on how to properly attack, we are putting on a clinic.

You see the key is to send MORE offense than they have defense, as evidenced here:

June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Mayor Mare (X:XX) invaded Chancellor Puddinghead (X:XX) and razed 2,369 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Chancellor Puddinghead (X:XX) invaded Mayor Mare (X:XX) and razed 2,392 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Chancellor Puddinghead (X:XX) invaded Mayor Mare (X:XX) and razed 1,913 acres of land.
June 17 of YR6 In local kingdom strife Sapphire Shores (X:XX) invaded Chancellor Puddinghead (X:XX) and razed 1,895 acres of land.

Hi Tox,

Thank you for educating the wider Utopia community on how to calculate attacks. Can you please post in the thread pasted below with your methods:

http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...tor-on-attacks

Thanks,

[Sheister]

I was not going to post about this at all but since pew pew is posting about it:


Yes this kind of thing is overpowered. Its a recreated problem made by the dev's after "solving" it by reducing the undead losses problem and giving a "random chance" for points on the meter. Once upon a time when undead had 0 offensive casualties or 10% offensive casualties this was the ridiculous strategy du jour. Proponents said "well, it does not benefit them to waste time doing that yadda yadda" which is retarded. In this world of no one back doors you when there are hostiles to be respected and such, there is no cost to doing this at all. If this was done back in old school alliance days, allies would come in and ruin BB for this. Now however, we all have to respect each other so the flip side of preventing that scumbaggery is this stuff.

The saddest part to me, looking at BB and pew is that BB had a 3 to 2 cow advantage. There was no reason not to just give a straight up fight which would have been fun, interesting and in the intended spirit of the game. So what we see here is exactly what Elit said, BB are scumbags and deserve no respect from anyone in any diplomatic treatment because after its all said and done, they will do lame crud like this. Thank god I don't do diplomacy. If however, I am ever in a situation to do diplomacy with BB, they will get 0 trust from me.

So instead of having a massive difference in losses created by the undead discount. Now we have a massive difference in losses created by the Orc bonus. I do not understand why the dev's refuse to do math. To be fair though, it seems to me that a lot of this is created by the artifice of this ethic that it is bad for other kingdoms to ruin BB for doing something like this. Part of it is created by the situation with cows.... oh look, cows are driving this.... good thing cows have no affect.

But I am just a nub. Thank goodness none of these decisions are up to me. I will just sit back and watch this from the sidelines and wonder why people are confused that the game is dying with such fun play as this.

To other kingdoms out there, ask yourselves "just because we can do something and it is advantageous, should we? Is that how we would want to be treated?"

In the future, I guess pew pew knows that rather than trying to do the right thing by BB, they should do the expedient thing.

[Korp]

Cap me in Sheister, what did BB do that was so horrible? Cause you really sound like a butthurt sore loser atm. Also what do you think about Pewpewing noticing Pyro, was that in fair and in the spirit of the game?

[MrCurious]

What did BB do wrong though Sheister?
Orc comes with extra kills, its a free choice for everyone. They are using a strategy that enables them to weaken enemy cows and later in war collect the acres. This option was available to Pew aswell, and they also tried bouncing, but with far lower success. So why is BB the scumbags for actually doing it right?

Make bounces add 1 pt on meter, then you wont see this kind of thing anymore, regardless of racial perks etc.

[John Snowstorm]

what did I just read?

[Binar]

Pew PEW!

[Binar]

also Sheister doesnt speak for Pew

[StratOcastle]

Sheister is maybe just venting/dumping/or legitimately unhappy. I prefer to leave a guy a liitle space.

But indeed, the cows were the point. In my mind Pew2 has the opportunity to record the BB conduct in war and dissect the thing. I'm not condemning odd strategies, I think I'll celebrate them. But now is a good time to push back and see how BB reacts.
Let's see what happens! ;-)

[Elit]

also Sheister doesnt speak for Pew

Can i talk for Pew Pew pls :)

p.s
lets hope pro pro wont notice all this razes or we can back to comment age 57 :P