Quote Originally Posted by jdorje View Post
You explored 5 provinces by 50-100%, protector. Why would you make a disingenuous argument about those numbers? I can see why you would decline their cf offer though, as they were close to giving button and might have (or might still) given you another farmwar. We did the same against Chrystal last age. The possibility of gaining 20k in a min time war far outweighs the damage done by a ghetto limited to one hit a day.

As I see it we were probably going to decline BB's mediocre cf offer, and would have fought them. The war would (IMO) have been 50-50, with us having more acres/troops and them having a better spread and cleric bonus. After the razing idiocy, we knew we couldn't push any sort of advantage and took a cf offer that was still quite advantageous for BB (again IMO). BB's original offer was yr2, which would have let them use more pool than us and would have put us at worse than 50-50 odds; the offer they finally made was yr4 which is probably back to 50-50.

Everyone will agree postwar is overpowered, but I don't think hitting into it unprovoked is the answer. In most cases you have a notice deal with kingdoms in range of you - which is basically necessary, otherwise anyone leaving postwar can destroy you since they not only can be more pumped but can completely control the timing of the fight. I don't have a good answer for this, as it's part of the overall problems with the current mechanics that force fights to occur at superpump levels all the time where a small difference in the timing or pump level of the fight often determines the winner. One thing I would suggest though is that notice should be allowed into/from postwar in future CF clauses, as the war winning kingdom should still have the advantage even if they "only" have 4 days to prep instead of 6-7. Yes, this is off topic.
There is no one but you claiming eow cf is overpowered. The increased draft rate in fortified is imbalanced. At the top level, the kingdoms coming out of war are the ones getting vultured, not the other way around. Case in point, had we fought you would have waved us, not the other way around.

If we dont explore, you force your year 10 cf on us and you win the age. So i agree with your assessment, we wanted yr2, you wanted yr10.... So it was clear we were going to fight (not as leshrak said we were going to have a cf the next day), therefore the razing essentially enables you to avoid our 50/50 war, and instead you get to Bottomfeed on ghettos for 4 weeks and get some science so you can be 80/20 by yr4