Q for Emeriti - Is it cool to raze into EoW if you want a CF

**flogger** · 21-05-2015, 21:42

We are talking.

Chrystal got punished plenty, he lost 50k acres. The gc issue you bring up was well over 10 ages ago. If thats the last bad thing we've done, ill take it

**flogger** · 21-05-2015, 21:45

Originally Posted by Zauper

The issue, I think, has to do with the consistency.

A few (7-8?) ages ago, there was an age where two of flogger's allies each waved once into an active war, and a third waved into an active hostile. No action taken, no condemnation made against or by any of them.

Or even just a few ages ago, elit hit bour into EOW. Again, flogger didn't ask elit to give up his shot at the crown -- in fact, flogger (tried) to help us give elit the crown that age -- he specifically told elit how much land he was going to have to take from CR to crown. EJ ultimately wound up passing them, but if hitting into eow is an issue worthy of ending an age...

Why have the standards changed? I don't think that hitting into EOW is worse than waving into war (it's probably not -- I'd generally rather get hit into EOW than war), and it's probably worse than hitting into EOW without a message prior.

The fact that emeriti and bour have apologized and offered to do what is necessary to bring BB to par (with some advantage from extra land?) seems like a reasonable solution.

(who is bour warring? Was it organized?)

Elit was supposed to say no to my offer. Not everything is as it seems.

Regarding hits into eow, etc. 99 percent of my time is spent on strategy, if theres not a forum thread about it, im not hyperactive scouting nerds like CR. Im not looking at everyone else's hits. If someone hit someone in end of war amd they asked me, id say not to do it. The last time dorje got dealbroken razed, i offerred to split the losses with him and rage, but rage wouldnt help. Regarding those other issues, they were 7 ages ago and i like to drink. I cannot possibly remember even the issue or what i did or didnt do or say.

However, all of this is just trying to derail the thread. Weve been about as clean as can be for quite some time.

**Drixx** · 21-05-2015, 21:56

Originally Posted by flogger

There hasnt been any sort of self inflicted punishment offerred so far. Bourreau gets the cf he wanted. Emeriti got the cf they wanted. It seems the apology isnt because you actually feel wrong, (drixx's conversation to protector last hour prove that. Seems the apology is simply made to avoid any punishment. 2k acres isnt what our kingdom wants. We just got razed in eow cf. Come up with something that actually hurts you as a suggestion and we're open to discuss. Were offering peaceful solutions. No one else would be in our shoes. Is it a little embarrasing? Sure, it should be.

Please don't drag me into this. I told Protector when I talked to him that I wasn't representing anyone and was personally curious. I have not nor shall I be involved in any diplomacy or official chat about this situation. I am a person separate from where I play, and it's deceptive, at best, to imply that me asking Protector to show me what wrongdoing supposedly went on is somehow me making any statement or representation for the kd I play for. I made it very clear throughout the conversation I had with Protector earlier today that I was talking to him personally and not at all representing anything but my own curiosity.

I would appreciate being left out of this mess, as I asked in the first place. I have a right to be personally curious, and I certainly have a right to ask in private what this is all about so as not to further fan the flames of a drama thread. I don't come dragging people into the forums ever, so I would quite appreciate it if you all extended the same courtesy to me.

**Mary Lennox** · 21-05-2015, 22:03

Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

Originally Posted by Mary Lennox

Originally Posted by LoRD_SaMPuaN

Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

[...]

Therefore he sees his best chance to crown to overplay this now to try and get the age locked up by agreement in YR1.

i dont think you get to choose what the punishment is, when you sink yourself deep in that much ****..

When it's a self-inflicted punishment, I'm pretty sure you do.

what is the self-inflicted punishment here, may i ask? from what i read in this thread, emeriti first tried to get away with the advantage by completely denying involvement and then merely offered bb what was taken from them by dirty play.. which part here is exactly the punishment?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I was talking specifically about the proposed punishment from Flogger.

Originally Posted by AquaSeaFoam

[...]

Flogger said that BB would not accept anything less than Emeriti agreeing to not compete for #1 and giving up on the age.

[...]

Originally Posted by flogger

Not sure i can give this a full response yet but seems like our kd agrees that if y'all just spemd 1 age honor hunting which i imagine wasnt your orignal plan, i'll retire in peace and turn the kd over to our new guy first time leading. So we have one age without some super kd with 60 ages experience leading and let some of the weaker kds compete, and i can retire in peace and you all can win 6 straight crowns starting next age

It seems that the demand is that Emeriti quits any efforts to crown. Emeriti gets to choose not to do that. Right?

**flogger** · 21-05-2015, 22:07

Originally Posted by Drixx

Please don't drag me into this. I told Protector when I talked to him that I wasn't representing anyone and was personally curious. I have not nor shall I be involved in any diplomacy or official chat about this situation. I am a person separate from where I play, and it's deceptive, at best, to imply that me asking Protector to show me what wrongdoing supposedly went on is somehow me making any statement or representation for the kd I play for. I made it very clear throughout the conversation I had with Protector earlier today that I was talking to him personally and not at all representing anything but my own curiosity.

I would appreciate being left out of this mess, as I asked in the first place. I have a right to be personally curious, and I certainly have a right to ask in private what this is all about so as not to further fan the flames of a drama thread. I don't come dragging people into the forums ever, so I would quite appreciate it if you all extended the same courtesy to me.

Seems there was like 3 days to message me and keep it out of the forums. Instead your monarch denied knowing who it was.

**Drixx** · 21-05-2015, 22:14

Originally Posted by flogger

Seems there was like 3 days to message me and keep it out of the forums. Instead your monarch denied knowing who it was.

Really? It has been standard practice, for as long as I can recall, that one doesn't volunteer or confirm the location of friends or foes early in the age. In fact, that is such a standard that locations may never be outed on these forums, regardless of whether the kd has tagged or not.

And even if that weren't a completely standard thing, it still has nothing to do with me. I was curious about this thread because there was implication of things that didn't add up. I asked someone whom I've been an adversary with over the years but whom I also respected to be straight up and honest. I made it very clear then (and again, now) that this is personal curiosity on my part. If I am at all known in this game it is for my interest in Ethical play. So again I ask you to simply leave me out of the drama thread. If you want to chat with me personally, you can always find me on utonet.

**flogger** · 21-05-2015, 22:34

You'd be proud, games been getting cleaned up lately, aside from some recent failed fsu attempts

We got 4x blasted by a fsu'er and Another t5 monarch offered me the info with no provoking and no way id ever know just last age. Hard to be mad at him then, not sure i even told my kd.

The reason honesty generally works best is because if you deny and coverup, its a 13 pagr thread

**Crunch** · 21-05-2015, 23:13

Originally Posted by Darklove

asf then why are you not trying to talk to bb on this matter . All we got is drixx who tries his usual thing that is to try and talk you to death. And Bou is now in war without him working any deal out with bb.

dirty abs at it again still find it difficult to get over the fact of you playing for his fake ass rage kd.. everyone agrees the game is the game is going to ****... the whole crown game is garbage .. should organize the server war bb and friends vs abs and friends..

**citadela01** · 21-05-2015, 23:21

From outsiders perspective ASF's summary of events seems plausible to me.
Not cause I favor any side but I cant help but think if Emeriti intentionally wanted to ****play BB they could have just farm Bour (and other big provs in his KD) themself while BB was still in eowcf.
That would certainly be more impactfull than temporary denying BB 380 acres, and would cause a lot less fuss on forums.

**shamus** · 22-05-2015, 00:00

i just want to say something.

razing bb into eowcf was the funnest thing i have done in years on this game.

thats all really

well actually thats a lie its not all.
I really enjoyed watching everyone get so worked up over it, thats really funny too.

the part i dont like is dragging the emeriti folks into it. It was our decision end of story. i feel bad that they had to spend so much of their time defending themselves in here for our actions. yeah we have friends there, but we were acting on our own behalf not on on theirs.

**flogger** · 22-05-2015, 00:01

Originally Posted by Crunch

dirty abs at it again still find it difficult to get over the fact of you playing for his fake ass rage kd.. everyone agrees the game is the game is going to ****... the whole crown game is garbage .. should organize the server war bb and friends vs abs and friends..

Who would be team BB? PM 4 signup!

**TheOne** · 22-05-2015, 00:09

Originally Posted by Crunch

dirty abs at it again still find it difficult to get over the fact of you playing for his fake ass rage kd.. everyone agrees the game is the game is going to ****... the whole crown game is garbage .. should organize the server war bb and friends vs abs and friends..

Sillies up for mercenary hire

**Shai** · 22-05-2015, 00:43

So all this fuss over 380 razed acres?

My god this is sad.

Out of curiosity, why did BB accept the CF offer (or come to terms to a new one) with Emerriti if Bourreau just 4h later offered the 380 acres (who makes zero difference) back and extra gold on top of it? They knew there was an easy way to get him off their backs and get the mere 380a back?

Why didnt BB just take Bourreau offer to get him off their back and continue prepping to war Emeriti if it was so important for the sake of the age?

**shamus** · 22-05-2015, 00:54

shai have you met flogger? he is a bit of an opportunistic drama queen... i think you hit the nail on the head there. it was 380 acres.

**Leshrak** · 22-05-2015, 01:14

Originally Posted by Shai

So all this fuss over 380 razed acres?

My god this is sad.

Out of curiosity, why did BB accept the CF offer (or come to terms to a new one) with Emerriti if Bourrue just 4h later offered the 380 acres (who makes zero difference) back and extra gold on top of it? They knew there was an easy way to get him off their backs and get the mere 380a back?

Why didnt BB just take Bourrues offer to get him off their back and continue prepping to war Emeriti if it was so important for the sake of the age?

Bourreau offered the acres back immediately after the razes happened. We (bb and emeriti) agreed to a cf ~12-16h later.

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