Member of Outsiders confirms Emeriti provided gold

[ThRaZe]

If pyro is willing to drop to within our range, I'm sure we'd be happy to war them again. Could be a different outcome this time, who knows... But we beat them fair and square. I don't see why people think pyro are so hard to beat. We beat them with econ control. It was a hard war, won with a simple strat. We have had good ages, and bad ones... Yet never once called for help from friendly kingdoms. We've also never been asked to help anyone. What we do/have done are off our own merits. People can say what they will, but we've worked damn hard to become the kingdom we are... Without anyone's assistance.

[ThRaZe]

Also, this has been mentioned before, but how could we job for emeriti when we/nobody knew pyros location? I just don't understand this part...

[Feint]

I'm really happy someone from our kd (outsiders) posted the dragon info. Goes to show one thing: neither pyro or outsiders funneled any money during our war. Now if we can get all this BS propaganda to stop, so the whole server ca realize the absolute truth about what is happening here, that would be great. Outsiders beat pyro fair and square (pyro WD with an acre lead they could not maintain cod they sent the sapphire). Since then, pyro and BB doubled teamed emeriti, and we jumped in to help them out. Any kd in utopia that was unfairly double teamed would like to think that basic ethics would mean other honorable kds would even the odds. That's what we have done. Since then we have now bee doubled teamed by pyros mates. No compaints on our end about that. We will fight both kingdoms head on.

Seems like u are the only kingdom. The rest of the kingdoms in the server do not have ethics u mean?

[Feint]

Well, Pyro and Outsiders should war again after this "AWAR".

I believe pyro will have the button to declare right? But do u need to drop nw? Will that be named as farm war and despised upon?

[Feint]

If pyro is willing to drop to within our range, I'm sure we'd be happy to war them again. Could be a different outcome this time, who knows... But we beat them fair and square. I don't see why people think pyro are so hard to beat. We beat them with econ control. It was a hard war, won with a simple strat. We have had good ages, and bad ones... Yet never once called for help from friendly kingdoms. We've also never been asked to help anyone. What we do/have done are off our own merits. People can say what they will, but we've worked damn hard to become the kingdom we are... Without anyone's assistance.

Who is outsider? First time I heard of it. Is it any fusion of previous old disband kingdom?

[ThRaZe]

99% of the server is unaware of any if this, as they either don't frequent the forums, or don't give a rats what re aholes from the unobtainable top tier get up to. The other 1% of the server are either complete and utter idiots, or are defending what is right against said idiots. -- in signing out now. No longer going to explain myself to that .5%. Peace out.

[flogger]

Conversations like "hey, we're looking to wave, have any suggestions?" Can easily happen between two people and no one involved on either side would be any the wiser. As long as those two people never tell anyone ya can deny all ya want. Made sure to show plenty of times already that everything will be denied until proven otherwise, then it'll be rationalized.

The only thing for sure is that its highly coincidental and that abs hasnt earned the benefit of the doubt.

[Slickdevil]

Too many coincidences in this AWAR..

[ThRaZe]

Coincidences are just that; coincidences.

[flogger]

That being said, no one farms gold out the first week of the age, and no one runs enough thieves oop to rob it. Emeriti has no toggers, its unlikely they had gold.

Then again 3 weeks ago i woulda said no one hits people in eow protection, so what do i know?

[AquaSeaFoam]

Emeriti had no prior relationship with meep at all until this started. I've never even talked to him. I know Mordon and he is an old friend but I hadn't talked to him this age until after his war vs pyro was over. It was only then that he came on IRC to talk to me for the first time (his kingdom uses Slack). He said that he didn't want to go on IRC to talk to me earlier because he worried I'd say his setup was bad or try and talk him out of it pre-age.

It was in this conversation that I said I heard (loc he warred) was Pyro. He was very surprised.

He picked his target himself without talking to Emeriti or me about it and he didn't know Emeriti's loc so for all he knew he could have been waving Emeriti. I posted the log excerpt in another thread on this already.

[TheOne]

bombdigie, you should know by now that your posts arent really helping your alliance alot. i may not be the first 1 that tells you this, but almost everyone i've talked to from your side thinks you're really trying too hard to flame emeriti+friends...

i paid very close attention to this war between outsiders and fpyro at the start of the age.. mainly because I was still debating at that point of time whether sillies should take revenge on fpyro for their stupid play end of last age.. sillies had won a min time oop war by 48th hour after oop, and we were considering paying back.

outsiders were basically always 40-50% acres lower than fpyro, but was only ~10% nw smaller. dragging up stats from umunk

fpyro was at 16049acres and 1,364,826 nw prior to withdrawal on June 16.
outsiders was at 11021acres and 1,216,903 nw prior to their war win on June 16.\

that's a difference of 5028 acres and 147,923 nw in favour of fpyro

1 empty acre is 15nw, 1 acre under construction is 40nw, 1 built acre is 55nw. Assuming the acre lead was 1/3 empty acres and 2/3 built acres.. that's about 208,500 nw more in 'acres' value.

+147,923 - 208,500 = -60,577nw

it's very difficult to understand how fpyro could have twice more peasants than outsiders, let alone having more peasants than ousiders. it seems clear to me that fpyro had lesser peasants/military.

i also checked up emeriti stances during the course of your war (march 22nd to june 16)
march 16th - april 18th : aggressive
april 18th - june 2nd : fort
june 2nd - june 16th : aggressive

1 dragon costs about ~1.6mil gc at that point in time. as what flogger has mentioned, i highly doubt any kingdom (especially whoring kingdom) has 1.6mil gc spare at the start of the age. emeriti has dwarf sage core.. and that means no tog , which makes this harder. even if emeriti has that amount of gc.. no provinces would have the TB to take in that amount of aid and drop his thieves to be robbed.

if it happened, it has to be done across at least 5-6 provinces or more... which i really doubt 5-6 provinces would drop their thieves.. and even if those provinces were running low rtpa.. how much can you steal from a province outside of your war?

with these stats, i'm highly doubtful whether what you stated.. i believe that the leaders of the kingdoms of bbpyro&friends are also doubtful.

being a friend to you (we have talked on whatsapp on certain issues before), I really advise you to think before you post

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ofc, if the ultimate truth is that outsiders actually stole gc from emeriti to fund their wars. i'll immediately step in to raze emeriti. and i will definitely eat my words. but it's just doubtful that this happened

[protector]

we have 7 ToG'rs, this is a yr0 war so barely any runes to greed us, no riots. we were 50% wages through the whole thing. Now, please explain where you got the gold for 4 dragons, BB feed you?

Hey dip****, we were in war ourselves. gtfo

[flogger]

assuming perfect NW range, a thief will yield 40 gc per thief sent. Through war that number is 10. Absolutely no one in that kingdom was probably within half of emeriti's NW since they explored ASAP, so lets say the gains are roughly 5. Most provinces will have between 500-1000 thieves at that stage so you are looking at 2500-5000gc per rob, max. If in Fort that's 1250-2500gc per rob. Its basically impossible to farm gold that early through war and fortified.

As CJ said, please stop making things up, it does not help. We have more than enough legitimate things to complain about.

[Pr0fanity]

Why would Emeriti need outside help to take out BB? BB is NOT a force to be reckon with and let alone Pyro. so what are you on about? Is BB thinking that they are such a big threat?

BB has meagre warring skills and put to put against any decent warring kd, they would crumble like ashes. And i dont even know where to start with pyro given that they have **** played so many kds in the past, akin to debauchery.

I have said it before and ill say it again, Pyro is doing this dirty job because they cant handle the lost to Outsiders. They think they are so good and once they have lost, they find excuses. Just like my war against The Fantastic Troll Fags ages ago.

I still don't believe in losses when you have net acre gain. We exited the war to explore, simple as that - Outsiders was jobbing for Emeriti and so would basically stay in war with us indefinitely to not allow us to explore. You are just very angry and what I'm doing is working on you, its almost too easy on you (for real).

Emeriti went full sage and in order to get the lead it needed for a crown it sent its alliance dogs at the only remaining competition left in the game. There are only 3 of us now.

You all got caught red handed, and the game is now forever changed to that of alliances and alliance wars (at a much smaller scale then before).