Proposal to end he Awar

[MyNameIsMatija]

It's story time !

[AquaSeaFoam]

In summary: Proposal Rejected

Absalom has not admitted to ALL accusations, continues to point the finger, continues insulting those they have wronged.

Emeriti has admitted to everything they did. They will not lie and agree your false accusations and lies no mater how much your side lies and deal breaks and gbs.

[Palem]

Well you see, Emeriti is being punished for the actions of abs, despite continuously explaining that they are not abs* for the sole reason that most of people in the kd were previously associated with the alliance.

Now if Emeriti has any foresight (and let's be honest, no one knows how to hold a grudge like Abs), they'll be sure to take note of exactly is on the roster of the 5 kingdoms helping BB and when this all this drama goes away and we're left with plain old Utopia, Emeriti has literally zero reason to show mercy to any kingdom that hosts a single player in any of those 6 kingdoms. A kd with 4 old WSK's is going for the honor crown? Time for some dead princes.

Things of that nature are going to provide for some very funny forums, imo.


*I'm aware this is not the attitude of every player involved. It is however the attitude of those you choose to support and apparently that's enough to get punished yourself.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Well you see, Emeriti is being punished for the actions of abs, despite continuously explaining that they are not abs* for the sole reason that most of people in the kd were previously associated with the alliance.

Now if Emeriti has any foresight (and let's be honest, no one knows how to hold a grudge like Abs), they'll be sure to take note of exactly is on the roster of the 5 kingdoms helping BB and when this all this drama goes away and we're left with plain old Utopia, Emeriti has literally zero reason to show mercy to any kingdom that hosts a single player in any of those 6 kingdoms. A kd with 4 old WSK's is going for the honor crown? Time for some dead princes.

Things of that nature are going to provide for some very funny forums, imo.


*I'm aware this is not the attitude of every player involved. It is however the attitude of those you choose to support and apparently that's enough to get punished yourself.

So spooky!
Tell another story Palem please.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Again, what's the difference between a multi from Pyro and a multi from Emeriti?
Pyro got caught, he's no longer there. You can't label a whole KD cheaters because of the doings of one person behind everyone elses back. If you insist, please go label the whole lot of Emeriti as cheaters since they've got benM in their kingdom who has multied in Rage & Freedom.

I'm not aware of any multies in Emeriti. Are you, or are you just making up more false accusations and lies?

I've also never heard of benM multiing in Rage & Freedom. Where did you hear of this, I guess you know more than me there? I know the freedom cow once tricked rage by lieing and saying he wasn't playing elsewhere to get into Rage as a spy for Freedom and then used that information to help freedom **** play rage. Are you sure that isn't what you're referring to? That was not BenM. If you supposedly knew someone was a multi, why didn't you say so?

Question.
If I spend an hour orso looking through our eoa/freeze logs on IRC/WhatsApp about our goals/ambitions for this age to prove that we simply wanted to have an off age warring and not care about growth, are you going to both stop bringing up this bull**** over and over again and admit you've been trying to set people up against us under false claims?

Question, if I pull up bb logs of flogger saying he wants to quad crown this age and pull up logs fo flogger specifically saying he wants BB to be able to go for a crown and refusing all deals where BB was not able to go for the crown, then will you stop bringing up this bull**** over and over again and admit you've been trying to set people up against us under false claims?

Do you realize that it was Emeriti that came ask for YR10? I think you've been played.

Yes, BB wanted a YR2 cf to be able to stock and train up after their war. Emeriti wanted a longer cf and Leshrak thought it'd be a good diplomacy tactic to ask for a really long one so that if you agreed to an intermediate one it'd seem like youw eren't just giving Emeriti whatever they wanted. It's not how I do diplo, but many others often start high and then work to compromise.

Emeriti had already decided that a YR2 cf was bad for them and that fighting right away while BB was fat was much better. Fighting right away left Emeriti with 50-50 odds positioning wise, but Emeriti knew they were much better skill and activity wise than BB so the odds would be in their favor.

Yea because 4 hours is ignoring. You say exactly what ASF feeds you to say. You're still the same lapdog you were 20 ages ago or whatever.

Actually, he's the one who knew the full events and "fed" me the facts. You and flogger have been exposed in blatant lies trying to deny what happened.

You may wanna go back to school and redo your math tests if you think we'd go from 10% draft to 80% in a day.

This is irrelevant. Why do you need 80% draft to farm a few lone provinces in a weak kingdom? It's obvious that the more time you got, the stronger you got. the only leverage bour had was to catch you early before you had the resources to be able to train to farm him. Even catching you early it is obvious that given time, you'd still be able to farm him. The later he caught you the easier this would be for you. even as it was, you rejected his offers of giving you back all land plus extra for a cf. So as it was, he still didn't catch you early enough. Stop acting stupid, this does not require any advanced understanding of utopia.

Or just maybe we don't end up on the receiving end because we don't ask our friends to raze others into eowcf.............. /facepalm

You're a joke. You lie, you deal break, and you wave into a real war against your allies. You just got the upper hand by having the strongest top alliance from age start to allow you to gb a lone kingdom with no top allies. When you start a deal break and gb with 2 of the top 3 kingdoms in your alliance vs a kd with none, of course you will have a big advantage.

[tetley]

SO TAKE A LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE
CAUSE BABY NOW WE GOT BAD BLOOd

[AquaSeaFoam]

Lol what a joke you are asf, and that guy who made all the problems for you, yes you know the cheating scumbag called djord or what now his name is, haha.
There will be no peace as long as you scumbags is so arogant and play the rest for fools.

Admit what you did, yes the old abs ways ask friends to block if you cant handle your own ****....

Mike, maybe you should stick with what you're good at and join some kingdom and then get all their usernames and passwords and then delete all their accounts and make another post about how you're the biggest cheater in utopia and you're sick of the game and all the time it takes you cross logging and multiing.

[SnirpsneR]

Mike, maybe you should stick with what you're good at and join some kingdom and then get all their usernames and passwords and then delete all their accounts and make another post about how you're the biggest cheater in utopia and you're sick of the game and all the time it takes you cross logging and multiing.

People in your kingdom xlogged or multied as well. Pretty much any old timer cheated at some point.

[Maximo]

Well you see, Emeriti is being punished for the actions of abs, despite continuously explaining that they are not abs* for the sole reason that most of people in the kd were previously associated with the alliance.

With respect, Pam, they are being punished for trying to gain an unfair advantage through shady deals this age.

[Sheister]

People in your kingdom xlogged or multied as well. Pretty much any old timer cheated at some point.

Or played in kingdoms where others did. ASF, you and I talked about some of the old proxy server setups that were convenient and how nice it is that now we don't need them. Completely different world now than then, but all those proxy server setups were used not only for account trading as we all well know. It was so long ago I won't bother naming specific names because its in the past. I played with cheaters, you played with cheaters. I know for 100% certainty that some of the cheaters I played with later played for ABS kingdoms and later in CR. (Before people explode, NO I AM NOT SAYING THEY CHEATED WHILE PLAYING IN CR, I AM SAYING PEOPLE WHO FORMERLY CHEATED LATER PLAYED IN CR AND REALLY JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER KD I AM AWARE OF I JUST HAPPEN TO KNOW THE CR ONES BECAUSE I KNEW THEM LONGER.)

[AquaSeaFoam]

Or played in kingdoms where others did. ASF, you and I talked about some of the old proxy server setups that were convenient and how nice it is that now we don't need them. Completely different world now than then, but all those proxy server setups were used not only for account trading as we all well know. It was so long ago I won't bother naming specific names because its in the past. I played with cheaters, you played with cheaters. I know for 100% certainty that some of the cheaters I played with later played for ABS kingdoms and later in CR. (Before people explode, NO I AM NOT SAYING THEY CHEATED WHILE PLAYING IN CR, I AM SAYING PEOPLE WHO FORMERLY CHEATED LATER PLAYED IN CR AND REALLY JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER KD I AM AWARE OF.)

Sheister, my kingdoms never used any crosslogging services ever. We did illegally trade though and sometimes traded people used proxy's to appear to be from the country of account origin. Yes we cheated by illegally trading as did basically all kingdoms of all levels in the past. It was generally accepted as ok to trade but not ok to multi and crosslog by the player base. Of course people in all kingdoms cheated in the past.

Mike has made claim himself to being the biggest cheater in utopian history though and has bragged about it in many past forum threads. Here's one example, but there are many more including the two (or more?) times he mass deleted his kd himself and made a post about it.
http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...hlight=cheater

With respect, Pam, they are being punished for trying to gain an unfair advantage through shady deals this age.

If this is true, then this all is even more wrong than it appears on the surface since Emeriti didn't do that. What Emeriti did do was advise the #1 prov to try and get himself a cf by razing into post war if Bb would not cf him. The player asked for a cf before hitting and after hitting offered all land plus interest back for a cf. This was clearly an attempt by the #1 player to get a cf and not get himself and his kd farmed out by BB.

If this was in any way an attempt by Emeriti to get an advantage, then 1) he wouldn't ask for a cf first (having his message read by 4 players and not rpelied to before he razed). 2) He would not have offered all land and more back for a cf right after he razed and bb finally started talking to him. 3) He wouldn't have offered all land plus more plus free gc plus a fake hostile to prep for Emeriti if this was supposed to in any way help Emeriti. If a kingdom is asking someone to help them gain advantage they wave for maximum damage and refuse to cf and certainly don't offer any land back.

[Sheister]

Sheister, my kingdoms never used any crosslogging services ever. We did illegally trade though and sometimes traded people used proxy's to appear to be from the country of account origin. Yes we cheated by illegally trading as did basically all kingdoms of all levels in the past. It was generally accepted as ok to trade but not ok to multi and crosslog by the player base. Of course people in all kingdoms cheated in the past. Mike has made claim himself to being the biggest cheater in utopian history though and has bragged about it in many past forum threads.

I do not think I said your kingdom did. I did not know anyone in BoA directly. I knew people who later played in abs and who I know that while playing for other kingdoms did in fact xlog. I doubt they stopped, but I have no direct evidence of it during their time in abs. Again, it was long ago and I am not one to say that once a cheater always a cheater. Most of the cheating back then was "necessary" in a sense. Please don't take that as an attack on you, abs, emeriti, or anyone in particular. It was a rampant condition brought on by the conflict between playing with friends and mehul's community philosophy (which was admirable, but flawed).

[Palem]

With respect, Pam, they are being punished for trying to gain an unfair advantage through shady deals this age.

With all due respect Maxibro, if you need evidence that Emeriti is being treated the way they are because of a lot of them used to play in an old alliance and not necessarily totally because of just things done this age, you need only look around at all the posts talking about how dirty abs was. It's on people's minds, I assure you.

Here's a couple examples from this thread. Didn't really need to dig that deep either

They are all guilty even the cr that play there

Lol what a joke you are asf, and that guy who made all the problems for you, yes you know the cheating scumbag called djord or what now his name is, haha.
There will be no peace as long as you scumbags is so arogant and play the rest for fools.

Admit what you did, yes the old abs ways ask friends to block if you cant handle your own ****....

[SnirpsneR]

Sheister, my kingdoms never used any crosslogging services ever. We did illegally trade though and sometimes traded people used proxy's to appear to be from the country of account origin. Yes we cheated by illegally trading as did basically all kingdoms of all levels in the past. It was generally accepted as ok to trade but not ok to multi and crosslog by the player base. Of course people in all kingdoms cheated in the past. Mike has made claim himself to being the biggest cheater in utopian history though and has bragged about it in many past forum threads.


If this is true, then this all is even more wrong than it appears on the surface since Emeriti didn't do that. What Emeriti did do was advise the #1 prov to try and get himself a cf by razing into post war if Bb would not cf him. The player asked for a cf before hitting and after hitting offered all land plus interest back for a cf. This was clearly an attempt by the #1 player to get a cf and not get himself and his kd farmed out by BB.

If this was in any way an attempt by Emeriti to get an advantage, then 1) he wouldn't ask for a cf first (having his message read by 4 players and not rpelied to before he razed). 2) He would not have offered all land and more back for a cf right after he razed and bb finally started talking to him. 3) He wouldn't have offered all land plus more plus free gc plus a fake hostile to prep for Emeriti if this was supposed to in any way help Emeriti. If a kingdom is asking someone to help them gain advantage they wave for maximum damage and refuse to cf and certainly don't offer any land back.

Beauty xlogged while you were there. Not through any services tho. Just different browsers and proxy setups. And not on massive scale.

[tetley]

Well crunch and Mike^ aren't the most unbiased individuals lol