I always notice that when I find Korp, Squee, Aranfein, and other people usually at odds agreeing, generally the truth is not far off from that point of agreement.
Just an observation....
I always notice that when I find Korp, Squee, Aranfein, and other people usually at odds agreeing, generally the truth is not far off from that point of agreement.
Just an observation....
"having fun warring when you have whoring and number 1 as a goal is totally pointless..." - Korp
"while I heart shiester when we both play serious and are in the same kingdom, I hate shiester on the forums and pretty much disagree with everything he says. Even he knows this." - Flogger asking me out on a date
The devs have made a decision to kill competitive utopia and have thereby killed my interest with it.
Originally Posted by Mithras
Thats right you never had a yr 2 or the yr 10. The only reason you got a CF at all was BOUR. BB was more than ready to train and wave you. Im done spelling it out for you all the denial is just ridiculous. Let someone who actually knows the timeline and what happen speak. You apparently know absolutely less then those looking in whcih is really really sad.
I never said they had Mithras.. and no matter how much i disagree with Squee he is right in what hes pointing out to you.
- They wanted YR2, which you counter offered as YR10 yes? okay now thats established..
- After razes they had to give you a far better deal then they otherwise would have yes?
- You refused to acknowledge of knowing Bour yes?
- They wanted you to help take care of Bour, which you refused yes?
- They found out Bour was friends of Emeriti, you then offered to change cf deal to whatever they requested yes?
- By this time they were planning revenge so the deal offered or the compensation made was not going to stop them, but why would they decline to either, so they took the compensation and took a deal they knew meant very little as they were going to break it anyway, had they not taken the deal Emeriti would have known something was up, which by all accounts from these forums they did not want you to know...
- BB dealbreak and wave as you are warring Pyro, yes?
- Emeriti call in friends to fight yes?
- BB calls in Freeakstyle and a few others, and the recruiting begins for more allies on both sides yes?
- Emeriti appears to have lost the "awar" but refuse to agree to BBs demands without BB accepting terms from Emeriti yes?
- BB refuse terms from Emeriti, because they are winning/have won "awar" so why would they agree to any terms Emeriti tries to put up, which they are in no position to inforce/demand.
So now all this forum action because Emeriti wants to go over the same things to try and get people to see what BB is doing is wrong, while BB dont really need to convince anyone as its clear to see that Emeriti made an earlier bad judgement call, which they should apologise for *see section BoH, for how to give an apology(Corrected to BoH as Nesta says it was BoH).
Facts are, no matter how many times anyone in Emeriti posts the same lines over and over again, it will NOT be considered "true" because people have made up their minds, yes it sucks and BB might have overreacted in form of scale this has been played out in, but even if you didnt do all the "coincidences" it will not change peoples minds, i know it sucks but thats the way it goes, 1 party is right and 1 is wrong, usually its the stronger thats right, in this case its BB.
Last edited by Aranfein; 24-06-2015 at 19:22.
War is what happens when language fails.
YES YES YES YES YES!
Omg I love you Aranfein :)
Except sample apology was BoH, not Section Kuhan :(
PyroManiaCs Monarch
#Pyromaniacs
Lol, nah, not so mush....but hai to you too :P
R.I.P. Utopian ethics.
No.
After Bours razes BB got the blank question as to what they needed to fight without disadvantage. This means that they could choose the time. They could also get acres from both bour and Emeriti.
BB was in no way at a disadvantage after the razes since all of that would be compensated. As we all know, BB choose to not go that route but instead dealbreak, fight 2 on 1 and hit into war. That put EMERITI at a severe disadvantage for our fight through foul play.
No, BB could have taken any of the deals I proposed that would have lefted them stronger than before and not give any deal to Emeriti at all.
Wrong again, Flogger knew who I was when he made the deal.
So basicly, when one of the ex-player of your competitor want to secure a CF with you, its okay to dealbreak and gangbang your competitor?
The demands that are made by Flogger have been stupidly unreasonnable since the beginning of this.
Emeriti already apologized and I also already apologized for what REALLY happened. What they want now is apologies for the delusionnal lies they believe. I can't speak for Emeriti, but I know I will never apologize for something I didn't do.
The notion that BB is under pressure somehow is not true in any way. Bour offered the acres back and more right after he made the razes.
Palem im pretty sure the KDs on BB's side says they uphold the ethics.
One thing i dont understand and im hoping anyone in Emeriti can help me with is this.. The logs from your LS Channel shows atleast some of you are against hitting into BB, but when its suggested Bour does it, noone speaks out against it? If its so against your ethics why was noone saying "Damn Bour see if you can get the CF before they farm you, but dont hit into a EoWCF, it goes against all we believe in and we just voted against it as a kingdom"..
Instead all i can see is that Emeriti players are against it being themselves as they knew the implications of doing so, but why on earth did you not advice your friend/ally against doing it? - This would have been the perfect time to show game ethics, but instead you let an ally do it and even advice him to do so, while refusing to acknowledge you knew who it was? That seems extremely unethical and pretty lame to me.
Bour i doubt its you they want an apology from, and yes flogger knew who you were when accepting the deal, i said as much, but by this time it didnt matter to him, did you even read my post? you take snips out but comments underneath has hardly any relevance to what i point out, you just post jibberish under which hardly makes sense to my post or the quotes you take out. (Read my whole post and stop taking snips out)
Again Mithras & Bour, you dont get it, the compensation is irrelevant as they were pissed off and wanted revenge.
Last edited by Aranfein; 24-06-2015 at 19:47.
War is what happens when language fails.
'sigh'. Seems so obvious as an 'outsider' to this whole situation that there was some serious over reaction and unethical play to an event that even if it did happen, should not have ended up with dealbreaks and gangbanging. (never really heard of abs or whatever the other alliance was before this)
I do hope next age things return to normal though. Maybe even this age.
If you read the logs posted earlier you will see that there are three persons in Emeriti LS chan that argues against bour razing. 1 Person tells Bour to raze. This same person also argues against the razes. So this idea that "emeriti sent bour after BB" is faulty at best, malevelant at worst.
And to say that compensation doesn't matter is like saying the punishment should not fit the crime. Emeriti offered to make things right. BB was not interested in right. They prefered the dealbreak, 2 on 1 and hitting into war.
once the razes were done... the damage was done. The position was lost because they have to change. Again giving the land back isn't going to help them when they lost the ability to pump on it and are now put into a position to give a yr 4 CF when yr 2 or no offer was on the table. Stop the circles its embarrassing
Last edited by Squee311; 24-06-2015 at 19:51.
Man Mithras you keep repeating the same over and over again, we read the damn logs, and at no point did someone tell bour NOT to raze into EoWCF, and as far as i can see Bour IS being told to raze if no answer, so you saying he was adviced against it makes absolutely no sense, and makes you appear like your lying.
And no the compensation didnt matter as they wanted revenge, why is that so hard to understand? seriously is it that hard to fathom that they did not want you getting away with advicing Bour to raze and then denying you even knew who he was.
Simple, they wanted revenge and they were going to get it for your unethical/questionable advice/play. (dont tell me you cant understand that?)
Last edited by Aranfein; 24-06-2015 at 19:54.
War is what happens when language fails.
The offer was not just land. It was the time of their choosing and the terms of their choosing. If you claim they can't work with that to their advantage then you demote flogger from an utopian savant to a village idiot. I for one does not agree with that.
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