Proposal to end he Awar

[AquaSeaFoam]

Anri,

I'm not trying to take away from Simians age. You played well, had a lead the first half of the age, and if you were not as nice as you were, you might have been able to maintain your position. You fell behind when you didn't get war with pewpew. Before that you had a chance to wave Emeriti into their hostile with Pyro when they were running from you if you wanted to **** play. I agree Emeriti could have been nicer to you when the position was reversed. I think they should have gave you #1 prov as a show of respect, but they didn't and from my review of the logs and deal, I don't think there was any intention to trick you on that point.

[Ghetto_King]

Let me correct you. By joining awar it has allowed you to be your current size. Don't get it twisted!!!

Not sure why you think Pandas would run a stereotype warbuild across many days/weeks of fighting?
If more banks, homes or schools are needed they will be built in proper timing, most players have good prov management and will use any hours they can to pump extra gc or science. If the top was won and u are a t/m it makes no sense to be in full war build. This is what TheOne is annoyed about. He got bigger banks and stronger position overall, still he complains. We cant draft as much solds as we want, we cant pump non stop, the longer this fight progress, the better it is for him, so i seriously dont know what it is he wants, were fighting in awar, he should go and crown and care less what others do, him being neutral and all. Time is his friend, not his enemy. If he plays his cards right he might get into the strongest crown position on the server, so stop complaining. By joining awar we gave Crazies best chance they can get to crown.

[jdorje]

And you leave out the part of Simians never waving BB to dodge Emeriti, like Emeriti did vs us when they dodged us to war Pyro.
This could of changed the entire outcome of the age. Also the part of Protector having prepared his bank to be explored by entire KD for almost 2 weeks i believe. It had given them #1 bank. There is a bunch of details you left out here. All of this we felt had been discussed all ready and that it was part of the deal. We had no reason to give you 30k land without getting the prov crown. I know as well as you guys that in the last irc deal and in the ingame deal it said nothing about the prov crown, why? Because both BB and Simians felt it was all ready part of the deal from negotiations of first days. We had all ready stopped our BB wave, BB had canceled their incoming explore plan and all its growth and so forth.
You know this as well as i do. Thats why we feel we got mislead by typical absalom diplomacy. Since you cant speak about the other events its fine if i leave this out. But in general i feel you played us in a very bad way. Rallying support across the server from everyone playing for Simians last age and also other kds that felt wronged by emeriti or absalom was not hard for BB after you wronged them. After all **** last age, the only thing we asked for was the prov crown. On top of this we have Dorjes and Cerbs attitude during last age dip that keeps anger people. Even i am 10 times less aggressive and greedy compared to them. Considering you yourself was ready to give us prov crown for 10-15k land and have friendly relations to our disbanding days, you had all ready won and we respected that in that point of time.

I thought the 30k deal was quite fair; had we actually fought things would have been a lot uglier and would very likely have resulted in an honor crown for us. I really can't emphasize how pumped we were at that time; at one point you stated that you could win province crown by keeping vir unbreakable, and were quickly disillusioned when you realized that our provinces half his size would be able to break him all home. With the deal, you secured #2 kingdom which was well earned. We were concerned that if we didn't take enough acres we'd risk you backstabbing us; you seemed unstable and irrational at the thought of being denied a crown and we did not know how you would react. In hindsight I guess we were not concerned enough, as the simians shell has dealbroken us twice this age to take free acres in an attempt to crown.

Personally I didn't care about the province crown, but it meant a lot to our player and when I took a straw poll of our kingdom nobody thought we should give it up. You also made no attempt to bargain for it and I thought nothing more of it until you accused us (though you never spoke to me directly, for some reason) of dealbreaking. Afterwards I offered vir a split crown, though he ended up not attempting a NW pump and BB took the nw crown.

I agree you could have tried to dodge by fighting BB. They would not have been in declare range so it would not have been easy. You engaging in a fakewar with BB to farm them the crown was a worry for us, since you have shown no ethical standards on this matter in the past. In that, our past history probably came into play, since I know you inexplicably hate me and would farm out to someone else to prevent my kingdom from crowning if given the chance.

I also agree you could have prevented us from dodging early age, had you actually wanted to, even though our war against pyro was just as legit and even as a war against you could have been. I don't see this as a conflict though; early age there are lots of targets and picking one to war over another does not warrant playing "hardball". Late age in a 1v2 crown fight you can expect hardball, and I would expect it in return. The same logic applied the previous age when pyro forced us into a 1v2 war that was unwinnable for us and resulted in them crowning. Dodging simply doesn't work in this late-age scenario since the other kingdom has nothing else to do with their time. Note that I had no part in the early age diplomatic dodge, and was barely playing at that time, so blaming me for that is just following on your desire to blame me for everything that ever went wrong for simians.

[Ghetto_King]

76% of all stats are made up, including yours.

I guess sitting on 555.7 MILLION gc is not enough for Crazies.
22.2 million gc average per prov in stocked gold.
Wonder how much bpa they have stocked.

I just find it very funny they complain and whine so much... For very clear reasons...

[SnirpsneR]

Dorje saying someone is unethical lol

[Ghetto_King]

Interesting that you want 25 provs dead in a KD that had no beef with you according to your KDs CF dealings with cRAZiEs. 24 hours later you joined the bandwagon. Not buying it m8. Try harder.

That is how you interpret it. I want to see 25 dead provs in your KD and TheOne can go crown if he likes. But i am just a core player so i wont be the one deciding your faith.

[Guilty Conscience]

If your LS thinks like you, then there's gonna be a big problem. Everyone can see how the so called awar is shielding you guys except you. All the actioning on emeriti but trying to tell the world you guys gained 43k acres over the whole "actioning". Geez.

Not telling the world, that we gained this or that. Merely stating while we explored and hit for 41k acres we have Crazies getting over 50k acres and sitting on a whopping 555 million gc stocked and all provs on 20-25% schools during this period of time, while bpa is not great, i assume they have saved up books that is ready to be invested. They want to portray Pandas as if we gained power by awar and they somehow in a worse spot now compared to before we joined, this is total fabricated lies. Looking at the stats and the growth curves it is nothing but a lie. If people buy the amount of BS Crazies was telling the last couple of pages that is fine by us, but we know better. The sad part here is Crazies dont even understand how valueable the pump and free growth time is, the last thing they should be doing is asking for this to end.

[Korp]

Dorje saying someone is unethical lol

I know, it is pretty damn funny.

[Guilty Conscience]

Interesting that you want 25 provs dead in a KD that had no beef with you according to your KDs CF dealings with cRAZiEs. 24 hours later you joined the bandwagon. Not buying it m8. Try harder.

I am a core player and i have no say or ruling in my KD.
If i say i want to see all 25 in Emeriti dead it has about as much weight as Mike saying it in the other thread.
If you take it serious, then you need to have a reality check.

[Ghetto_King]

That's a big statement calling CJs decision making dumb. I won't say anything as we will enjoy a nice war within 6 days. Then we can put this to rest and enjoy the game.

A crown is not made thru awar. A crown is made thru being neutral and scheming against the awar participants.
The only dumb mistake cJ is doing is really coming here and whine about it.

[Guilty Conscience]

76% of all stats are made up, including yours.

No, i took all 25 sots. Its exactly 555.7 mill gc. 1h ago. Give or take if you spent some by now.
I post this because you guys are trying to tell the world how unfair it is to you, while you are by far the most pumped KD in every way on the server right now.

[Ghetto_King]

Reality check for what? Everyone is playing the game and interacting in the boards just as you are.

I am a core player and i have no say or ruling in my KD.
If i say i want to see all 25 in Emeriti dead it has about as much weight as Mike saying it in the other thread.
If you take it serious, then you need to have a reality check.

[Ghetto_King]

Reality check for what? Everyone is playing the game and interacting in the boards just as you are.

I am a core player and i have no say or ruling in my KD.
If i say i want to see all 25 in Emeriti dead it has about as much weight as Mike saying it in the other thread.
If you take it serious, then you need to have a reality check.

[Guilty Conscience]

76% of all stats are made up, including yours.

No. Its exactly 555.7 mill gc. 1h ago. Give or take if you spent some by now.
I post this because you guys are trying to tell the world how unfair it is to you, while you are by far the most pumped KD in every way on the server right now.

You really want to dispute this, thats fine by me. Its not like you can hide it.

[Guilty Conscience]

Reality check for what? Everyone is playing the game and interacting in the boards just as you are.

It almost sounds as if you took sides with absalom?