The bottom is hot

[khronosschoty]

Is this even a question? Anyone who wants complex deals wants to twist terms and lie cheat and steal their way to advantages of any kind shape or size while maintaining enough complicated crap to cry foul and back out of the deal any time they like if they can't weasel enough edge to think they have a sure win.

Aye, there is a lot of that, that goes on.

[Lestat]

Like I always say deals in Uto is like writing it down on a piece of paper, then trying to piss all over each other without getting it wet.

[khronosschoty]

Like I always say deals in Uto is like writing it down on a piece of paper, then trying to piss all over each other without getting it wet.

I dislike this crude example. I think this example is only true for those I consider shady.

[Lestat]

Crude it may be, but.... actually that's all i've got.

[p0ngkol]

WTF do you people make such ridiculous deals for

Well as far both kds are concerned, both agree at those deals. It was really funny whn their monarch whine after being LD only 1k acres "wtf is this LD? We're losing a lot of troops!" Uhhm, send troops out? Lol.

Hipmunk got pounded by Spartan. Guess their war skill is as crappy as their leadership in DIPLO

War is not yet done :)

[2Utopian]

Hipmunk got pounded by Spartan. Guess their war skill is as crappy as their leadership in DIPLO

Win any wars this age feint? How many did you lose in row last age again? :D

[Child]

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

[Nightmare_]

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

Jeez don't engage him. He will just keep trolling you

[khronosschoty]

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

I feel for you; I hope you stay strong tho!!

[p0ngkol]

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

Well said.
Though you should understand that deals are deals. This isnt about being decent. The point of having a 3rd party to witness was to make sure neither of the kds will back out. Sparta cant just accept you walking away when they prepard a lot of days for the war, right?

[Child]

By third party do you mean your ex-monarch who arranged everything? :P
Anyway, there's no bitterness from me towards your KD (however I cannot say the same for my KD-mates). There's clearly a reason you guys haven't lost a war in a while, and I don't think it's purely luck ;)

[13nesta13]

Btw, who's the real Spartans?

I've seen 2 kds tagged as Spartans all age. One has temporarily changed its tag only recently but the whole province name theme is spartan tagged

[Feint]

I admit our leadership was crappy, we should have just kept hitting Spartans until they stopped whining and offered a CF. The whole deal thing was a mistake. And the issue with the land drops was purely that Swagger was going to arrange them before RL hit him. I was kinda dumped in the deep end there. That and the fact that no one in our KD was super excited for the war was why I wanted to cancel it. And I was hoping that since we were decent and stopped waving you maybe you'd be decent and agree to cancel the war, but I suppose that's not how Utopia works. I'm not meant to be leading a KD, I don't have the experience for this! I believe that everyone is honest and decent and fair which is a bad assumption to make when the whole point of the game is to destroy your opponent through whatever means!
But don't you dare question our warring ability! We went into this war with no real win condition. They beat us through preparation and set-up, not actual warring skills. How very rude of you Feint!

Because I am involved. Definitely not trolling. sEriously go brush up your diplo skill. Since you are getting self destruct, I will show u mercy by not pk-ing u.

[Feint]

Win any wars this age feint? How many did you lose in row last age again? :D

Last age, Lost thrice in a row. This age, managed to win some, lose some. Just formed a new ghetto. I dont mind giving out war wins...but some are just scum and dont deserve it. Eg. Hip munk

[jo.t.reid]

By third party do you mean your ex-monarch who arranged everything? :P
Anyway, there's no bitterness from me towards your KD (however I cannot say the same for my KD-mates). There's clearly a reason you guys haven't lost a war in a while, and I don't think it's purely luck ;)

I'm guessing your strat of taking down our tms came from those in your kingdom 'bitter' towards us then? Zzz..

Find yourself a decent kingdom, Child. You seem like a decent guy, despite your earlier post which bended the truth a bit ;)