stealing from The U.

[Zauper]

You tagged after any hit do not lie!

Looks like we were tagged up shortly beforehand, but in any case it seems like a dumb idea to learn into the #1 kd on the server when your entire kingdom only has 1 province capable of breaking them, and that province is only capable of breaking 1 province in that kingdom.

Beyond that, like I mentioned before --
Ignoring messages.
Robbing us intermittently since July of yr5. Quick glance shows rob ops from your kd on 12 days, across 10 of our provs. Conveniently, most of those ops were by your leadership and the prov we razed.

[protector]

Again where did I say it was BB I was talking about in my original post.. wasn't even aimed at BB Prot, so not sure why you attack my post....

How the **** do you know if my cf or else argument is bogus? Just cause it wasn't you don't mean others on a few occasions hasn't told me that. Get the stick out of your ass, not everything I say is towards you or BB... Only when warranted and I have no reason to aim anything at you or BB...

Korp I full well know and understand the consequences when I hit a top, it's not about bragging it's about sticking to and trying to put the point across, what I've said many ages now, if you sit in normal with 20k def and 2500acres, you deserve to get hit whether you're a growth or a ghetto provinces.

You spoke in general terms, so I felt as if it was aimed at me as well. If you wanna be specific, just put down names to avoid confusion!

[Maximus778]

Good luck next age TOP KD's I for one will raze you from the start of the age no matter the outcome it will at least stop you from being the tops kds again because i am sure others will join me in this... you will be called out early in the age and will just be screwed next age I hope it was worth it for you.....

[Persain]

So this is the news from the past week... Locations left in because All parties have been called out anyways..... so who the F**K cares... if you think this is fair in anyway... for stealing some gold... or doing 1 or 2 learns.... GO F**K yourself!

why not just cf them earlier in the age?

[Zauper]

Funny, I actually agree with a lot of that. As a LAST resort I see the odd razing as a legit response which makes sense (depending on the specifics.)

Naming your kds like that, teaming up with the other 'top 2' kds to raze so many acres away is what outside people look at and find disgusting (not to mention what some of you guys say in the forum). Either more people leave or stay with a desire for revenge on you. Gives you guys a bad name to kds who have nothing to do with the whole thing.

Fair enough. I don't really see the kdname as being drastically different than kds who tag 'we retal' or 'we retal with razes' or similar.

I don't think we are particularly teaming up with anyone to do razes. This particular kingdom got razed by multiple large kingdoms at the same time....because it decided to random into them at the same time. If it had been organized, it's safe to say someone would have been killed, rather than random hits on different provinces.

[lampost]

Fair enough. I don't really see the kdname as being drastically different than kds who tag 'we retal' or 'we retal with razes' or similar.
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Seriously it does not look good when all the kds on the top tag up like that. Leave that kind of thing to BB and pyro.

[Aranfein]

Yes I was speaking generally because those that has done it or keep doing it, very well know who they are, there's only a few growth kingdoms so hardly a reason to be specific.

As I said Prot, BB has always been fair in that regard both with letting things slide and being fair in deals/agreements, it was only last age we went head to head on what was fair and what wasn't.

I don't think there's anything wrong in the tags or the razes, as long as it's not an overreaction, just use it to force a cf etc or a bit of acre gain to make up for the annoyance of people stealing your hard earned gc... If you get a warning and still steal then you should also be ready for the reaction to it instead of crying foul, you can't blame the growth for coming after you, I was commenting on the fact it was made as a forum post to try and intimidate people from stealing gc.

[Touchdown]

Tried to ask this earlier and didn't get a real response. What can growth kingdoms do besides raze that will actually incentivize a smaller kingdom to stop robbing?

[13nesta13]

Good luck next age TOP KD's I for one will raze you from the start of the age no matter the outcome it will at least stop you from being the tops kds again because i am sure others will join me in this... you will be called out early in the age and will just be screwed next age I hope it was worth it for you.....

If you promise to start hitting me from the start with razes and not stop at 7 hits, I'll pm you my loc at OOP!

[citadela01]

Tried to ask this earlier and didn't get a real response. What can growth kingdoms do besides raze that will actually incentivize a smaller kingdom to stop robbing?

Which KD ? Chances are Zombies deserved what they got, I had experience of them constantly hitting into 2 of our hostiles for week+ consistently, abusing kd nw, hit into wars and all other kinda **** ... I have no doubt in validity of explanation offered why are they being razed.

I do have problem with using their behavior as case study and entire top acting up in unison to intimidate and bully smaller independent KD's against stealing from them.

Do you have the "right" to do so ... well i guess you have the right to do anything game mechanics allow.
But drop that holier than thou act if you do so, this course of action is bull****, and yes ... you are acting like bullies and poluting the allready bad enviroment.

[13nesta13]

I don't think there's anything wrong in the tags or the razes, as long as it's not an overreaction, just use it to force a cf etc or a bit of acre gain to make up for the annoyance of people stealing your hard earned gc... If you get a warning and still steal then you should also be ready for the reaction to it instead of crying foul, you can't blame the growth for coming after you, I was commenting on the fact it was made as a forum post to try and intimidate people from stealing gc.

That's exactly the case with this KD in question.

And Aranfein, the OP of this thread is not part of the kds who tagged up. I'll also like to think that the OP wasn't really victims of robs as much as the rest of us have been recently, since in the past 3 weeks they hopped from one hostile/war to another from ED to Emeriti to ED again. They might have been robbed much earlier and saw what was going on with the rest of the other KDs and just made this thread. Or, they could have just made it to stir something up, we dont know. Regardless, the group of KDs that tagged up also did not come here to speak of their grand plans of PKing and punishing the robbers in unison. We mostly did it off the radar and independently as Zauper mentioned, otherwise there would have been a couple greens already.

Up until the butthurt people made forum posts and cried for help when they realised they cant handle what they messed with, and we appropriately, and individually, stated our cases why it was worth us doing what we did after being called out.

[Touchdown]

Which KD ? Chances are Zombies deserved what they got, I had experience of them constantly hitting into 2 of our hostiles for week+ consistently, abusing kd nw, hit into wars and all other kinda **** ... I have no doubt in validity of explanation offered why are they being razed.

I do have problem with using their behavior as case study and entire top acting up in unison to intimidate and bully smaller independent KD's against stealing from them.

Do you have the "right" to do so ... well i guess you have the right to do anything game mechanics allow.
But drop that holier than thou act if you do so, this course of action is bull****, and yes ... you are acting like bullies and poluting the allready bad enviroment.

I'm not asking about this particular situation. I'm asking in general. I'm looking for alternatives. Unfortunately 1-2 razes don't work for the more stubborn folks. They don't care about land. Can't touch their honor or science for the most part.

[Sarge]

This is too funny. Zombies are idiots, especially Zombie Final Frontier Fun. You steal over 20k gc/acre from Crazy Screwed Up Perverts alone and expect no retaliation? You're the Steward, you represent the kingdom just as much as the monarch. Your monarch didn't respond to our messages, and neither did you. You just kept stealing, and even after we started razing you you're still stealing!!!

I mean, you have got to be some kind of special stupid. This is especially true after you get warned that we rill RK you if you don't stop and then you keep doing it. I've ghetto trolled plenty, and standing orders were always to never poke bigger kingdoms, especially the top. I don't know when this changed for Zombies, but you brought this on yourselves. Just be glad we aren't going after the whole kingdom... yet...

This thread made me LOL

EDIT:
Oh, let's clarify, I'm speaking in a general sense in the first couple of sentences of my second paragraph there. The first paragraph was aimed at the actions of Zombies not engaging in any sort of diplo and not meant to be an attack on any individual person per se. No bannie-bannie Palem. <3

[Touchdown]

Sounds like they went after the top exclusively

[Danzig]

Personally I like when Utopia is a game of conflict instead of sitting around all age. If a kingdom decides to raze your kingdom fight back and take resources from them that they can't get back easily. This game should be about 100s of kingdoms all fighting against each other, any kingdom out of war should be fair game. Any ghetto that puts themselves in a position to fight back is not going to be razed. Do you really think a top kingdom is going to raze a ghetto province if it is going to cost them 5-20k acres of land?