CR dealbreaking Emeriti v2.0

[Band of Horses]

savage. you used to be nice Topsy, wut da hell

Please Gordon, Topsy is still too nice if anything (and handsome). Do it Topsy, drop the people's elbow on Mithras.

[Sheister]

I am so lost here.... is anyone publishing an edition of DramaNotes for this thread?

[Sheister]

Their terms aren't defined. It's real dumb to not define terms, because then someone can just interpret them however they want......

Well that depends. If proceeding under the UCC, the gap fillers allow the interpretation of such terms to be consistent with trade usage and the normal course of dealing. But it can become a question as to what trade usage and normal course of dealing are.... However, since we clearly are already litigating the issue in the uto forums, I don't know that it matters anymore.

[Chrystal Palace]

We were in no position last age to raze BB. This is our first age actually trying. Also BB didn't come to me and say they would raze the acres to make themselves look like the peoples champ.

[Palem]

Their terms aren't defined. It's real dumb to not define terms, because then someone can just interpret them however they want. Which was our point in the first place. They have not crossed 85% of our land, which means if only they had agreed to our terms, this wouldn't be a problem. You're arguing that we agreed we'd tell them if they're too close. We've done that.

They betrayed my trust by calling me a liar when I told said they weren't going to drop acres post-Spartans, and informing me that if it ends, they will raze the acres... and then not doing so, calling me a liar again and accusing me of dealbreaking when confronted about it.

1. If I agreed to a deal with fuzzy, undefined terms and complained about it here, I'd be getting 30 pages of "You're a moron" "That's what you get" "Learn how to diplo" "You should quit again", ect. A deal having less-than-concrete terms doesn't mean you're allowed to break the deal. The reason I asked about the original 85% is simply that, in Emeriti's shoes, if we were approaching say 75% of your size, I wouldn't feel like we're starting to get into an uncomfortable range for you because of the aforementioned 85% before, so I would feel comfortable exploring more, without thinking that CR is going to think we're dirty, cheating, backstabbing scum.

2. You've said in this very thread that you have every intention of noticing Emeriti and farming them, breaking a CF that they believe you have. Justified or not, you've said you have every intention of doing what they say you're going to do, so you can't really fault them on that front.

3. As I understand the deal, there is nothing defining how Emeriti has to lose their acres after you've notified them, but one of the things that most assuredly can't happen is for you to break the CF and drop them. You have an EoACF and there's been nothing in the terms that has been broken. The deal states that you can notify them when they've grown too large and they'll drop, not that if they grow too large, you're free to notify them, at which point the deal is void and you're free to break CF and farm them.

[p0ngkol]

For the record emeriti took 15k acres instead of 12k.

[Zauper]

1. If I agreed to a deal with fuzzy, undefined terms and complained about it here, I'd be getting 30 pages of "You're a moron" "That's what you get" "Learn how to diplo" "You should quit again", ect. A deal having less-than-concrete terms doesn't mean you're allowed to break the deal. The reason I asked about the original 85% is simply that, in Emeriti's shoes, if we were approaching say 75% of your size, I wouldn't feel like we're starting to get into an uncomfortable range for you because of the aforementioned 85% before, so I would feel comfortable exploring more, without thinking that CR is going to think we're dirty, cheating, backstabbing scum.

2. You've said in this very thread that you have every intention of noticing Emeriti and farming them, breaking a CF that they believe you have. Justified or not, you've said you have every intention of doing what they say you're going to do, so you can't really fault them on that front.

3. As I understand the deal, there is nothing defining how Emeriti has to lose their acres after you've notified them, but one of the things that most assuredly can't happen is for you to break the CF and drop them. You have an EoACF and there's been nothing in the terms that has been broken. The deal states that you can notify them when they've grown too large and they'll drop, not that if they grow too large, you're free to notify them, at which point the deal is void and you're free to break CF and farm them.

Here's the thing, Palem. If you agreed to an undefined deal and then the other kd exploited it for being undefined -- like say, they decided you were too close and had to lose acres. People would call you an idiot for making an undefined deal instead of defining it. In this case, who's the idiot? Emeriti. Insisting on undefined terms and then complaining when people exploit them being undefined is dumb. If I want to, I can inform them that their kingdom having 1 acre puts them too close to us. And what options do they have then? All they can do is try to convince us that that's unreasonable. Their fault for making bad terms.

They have been informed that they are too close for us to be happy. They are insisting that we should be happy, and refusing to drop the land. Refusing to drop the land puts them in violation of those terms, which means they get hit for breaking the deal, because that's not an option allowed to them.

Simple.

[Palem]

Refusing to drop the land puts them in violation of those terms, which means they get hit for breaking the deal, because that's not an option allowed to them.

Fair enough

[Chrystal Palace]

This is all null. The U has served emeriti notice not CR.

[zee]

No acres for the big bad wolf. I rather see emeriti farm the bigger U.

Less drama, more eoa war!! No one is crowning anyways

[Band of Horses]

No acres for the big bad wolf. I rather see emeriti farm the bigger U.

Less drama, more eoa war!! No one is crowning anyways

Topsy's Tweens are certainly crowning don't try and take that away from them!

If emeriti farms the U then they just have to raze down to 40% of CR's size after that, nbd.

[Mithras]

Chrystal Palace notice Emeriti from an eoa cf. No reason. No flair. No excuses. CP has alot to learn from Zauper.

Is 72h notice standard for breaking an eoa cf? Did you roll a dice to decide how long notice was required?

[Crazy Pete]

This thread has been going on for a bit, Emereti had some time prior to making the thread to raze the the acres they gained deuchefully.

Emereti has been given ample time to do the right thing so now CP is going to make Emereti loose acres I suppose? 72 hour notice is pretty nice of them to inform you of their intentions. I think the boat has left the dock for the option of razing acres but will that be Emereti's next move? Make CP train up, intra raze then more crying by Emereti? Only time will tell......

[Chrystal Palace]

Chrystal Palace notice Emeriti from an eoa cf. No reason. No flair. No excuses. CP has alot to learn from Zauper.

Is 72h notice standard for breaking an eoa cf? Did you roll a dice to decide how long notice was required?

I still want to see where I ever decided on an eoa cf with you.

[Pale]

I'm pretty sure erv actually did through correspondence with flogger and can happily show it to you if you like. Just ask him.