Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[Reut Sharabani]

This isn't carebears online adventures. If it was I'd crown every age.

You are avoiding the argument.

Also, your conclusions are wrong. You'd crown every age? If you have at least some honor - you wouldn't (let alone if you are the "most honorable"). If you re-read carefully - that's exactly my point.

[Duke_]

But FS is not allowed this opportunity? To LD and fight SS on even ground? It all sounds so weird to me, sorry if I'm wrong here, in any case, why would FS not be allowed to pursue their goal to the best of their ability regardless?

Land drop to war SS was declined by FS.

[Smitty87]

But FS is not allowed this opportunity? To LD and fight SS on even ground? It all sounds so weird to me, sorry if I'm wrong here, in any case, why would FS not be allowed to pursue their goal to the best of their ability regardless?

From what I gather FS didn't LD isn't that why this thread has been created?

Correct me if I'm wrong

[Reut Sharabani]

The mechanics allow you to wave a kd outside of war for pretty decent honour gains. Everyone has the same opportunity to use it to their advantage when it's suitable. Yet you punish someone for doing it?

Convenient. This is simply ignoring the case. This is not about "waving random KDs" as you attempt to portray. This is bottom-feeding methodically. Intentionally ignoring all diplomacy and outside declare range.

The funniest part is that this is done for the honor crown of all.

[MyNameIsMatija]

From what I've heard SS had some unreasonable demands.
Also, it's unfair to compare the situations Divinity is in and FS is in, essentially Divinity has nothing to lose and are more willing to land drop for an easy war without much risk involved, on the other hand FS have everything to lose sitting on #1 honor spot being presented with demands that could potentially jeopardize this position. I wouldn't necessarily call it bullying, more in the zone of protecting your own resources and interests from others.

Just wanted to add:
I don't feel like it's shameful to try and crown if you are open about it, it's shameful to try and hide it, although from what I've been told FS wasn't even trying to crown this age, just refresh the roster and such (actually I wasn't told what it was just that it wasn't crowning) and this will be a good lesson for all I imagine. I guess it became more of a thing when it became a real possibility after winning six wars in a row.

[protector]

FS waved us while we were fort at 11m nw vs them at 24m ish and single hits into our TMs though fort were hitting for 400 honor.

I don't believe this. Do you have proof?

The highest I've seen was a 100% relative NW hit from an orc on a ~9400 honor faery and it gave the guy 306 honor. At the time this was the #1 honor province and very few are or have been at 9k+ this age.

[Feint]

Seems like those FS fellow are good trollers, i need to buck up in my trolling skill asap.

[AlphaQUp]

Where did this entitlement attitude come from that any particular kingdom is REQUIRED to meet you for diplomacy and then not hit you if you say "we are arranging to war some one else". FS did what was best for their kingdom in their eyes which is what every kingdom does. They had no reason nor obligation to offer you diplomacy immediately, nor did they any obligation to call off their wave just because you asked. Old utopia was not like this.

[Pale]

Honour crown was definitely not secured. 1 war by anyone else in the top 5 in honour could easily propel them above FS into the #1 spot. Claiming that they had it all wrapped up is foolishness. They're trying to get enough of an honour lead that even if a war win is secured by someone else in the top 5 right at eoa that they'd still keep their honour crown. If you were in their place and honour crown was your goal, you'd do the exact same thing. You can't control the other kds from warring each other but you can control your own actions. Concerning them offering to LD to SS for a fight, I don't have confirmation either way that it happened but I know they had offered some of the other top 5 kds that I know that kind of deal. I do assume at some that at some point SS were offered a fight this age by FS, at least once or twice. It's possible they didn't want to land drop to fight SS now because they could find themselves in the same position SS is in now with someone else in the top 5-10 in honour staring them down from a superior position afterwards and didn't want to take that risk? Which is certainly reasonable if that's the case.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Seems like those FS fellow are good trollers, i need to buck up in my trolling skill asap.

Yes it is a bit obvious at times, you need to brush up in my opinion.

[Reut Sharabani]

Also, it's unfair to compare the situations Divinity is in and FS is in, essentially Divinity has nothing to lose and are more willing to land drop for an easy war without much risk involved, on the other hand FS have everything to lose sitting on #1 honor spot being presented with demands that could potentially jeopardize this position. I wouldn't necessarily call it bullying, more in the zone of protecting your own resources and interests from others.

This would all be true if FS chased kingdoms in reasonable range. They avoid these kingdoms to do the exact opposite. Their excuses which I've read can be boiled down to "there is nothing in the game that disallows it".

They are actually right. What enforces against this behavior should be the community not the game. The fact that the community is still debating what to me is an obvious case (most arguments here put up a straw man which does not relate to the issue at hand) - baffles me.

The community, by FS logic, can also take any action for which "there is nothing in the game that disallows it". And I think it should.

But... I've never been vocal in the community and obviously it has it's set up and inertia that make it not conform to reason alone. That's understandable. Defending the lack of action against FS with logic - isn't.

[Feint]

I don't believe this. Do you have proof?

The highest I've seen was a 100% relative NW hit from an orc on a ~9400 honor faery and it gave the guy 306 honor. At the time this was the #1 honor province and very few are or have been at 9k+ this age.

FS once down, what is next?

[protector]

I'm not expecting you to change your honor bottom feeding techniques. I would like the game developers to create a more fair game, so that KDs like FS can't take advantage of unbalanced game mechanics. Ruthless had 22 provinces and 11 mill nw less than FS while they were being waved or 48 hours. Those 2 KDs should never be matched up against each other, there's no way they could war each other. FS should be waving KDs in their NW range!

If it's not FS it's someone else. It happens every age. And for gods sake, stop calling it bottomfeeding. If they where bottomfeeding they wouldn't gain honor. Honorgains are good in the 90-110% NW range. Outside that, they drop pretty hard.

[protector]

FS, you waved us 25 vs 22 provs, 23 million nw vs 11 million nw. Even tagged yourself hostile/war with ruthless. really?! You told us to bend over and take it for a few days, our wise king declined. You took 200k def from me and 2k honor alone. I had no defense. We had no defense. we couldn't even war after that.

Can someone post the paper of these hit's they made? If all their hits where 90-110% NW range, nothing wrong with a wave for honor. It happens all the time for land. When it happens, the smaller kingdom usually gets a CF from the bigger kingdom.
Did you diplo with them or just retal and not care?

Utopian gods please consider changing honor oow to gain only GENERATED HONOR or you can only gain honor if kingdoms are 133% of nw.

So to bottom of the war kingdoms going for honor can keep their honor forever while bashing ghetto's? Yea that seems like a smart thing to do!

[Feint]

Beware this protector...what is this little guy trying to do...he think he call the shot...? Cant even deal with the Birdie...the birdie fly high....