care to explain what does bb alliances got to do with 5 kds ganging up to kill my provs in war?Originally Posted by Aranfein
care to explain what does bb alliances got to do with 5 kds ganging up to kill my provs in war?
That's the answer I was looking for :)
? I got no idea what you're talking about, so no I do not Francis.
War is what happens when language fails.
White Rose - NighT - Monarch of Ruthless.
Can we all please just identify ourselves before each post? Half the time I'm trying to figure out who (what KD) is actually saying what. It's annoying. I'm not that much into the whole politics / diplomacy.
Anyway, to answers a few questions I've seen in this topic:
Ruthless got waved by FS and had its TMs raped for no good reason other than that we couldnt hit back and they provided nice punching bags. Destroyed our chance of warring (I believe this is a re-occuring problem). Ruthless was forced into CF.
Even before I, monarch of Ruthless, agreed to that bullcrap cf (yes, I did agree to it) I had already edited in the monarch message "we'll get back to FS the moment we can".
We then continued to rebuild for near a week, waved a bit and couldnt find anything (all TMs below KD average size even). When I saw FS was bullying SS I knew it was only a matter of time till I would be contacted. Which I was. I received a PM asking if "I was looking to get back at these guys". I was given the headsup on SS wanting to declare. I said that we still had a bone to pick with FS, that's it. I have razed into FS on my own acord. I did not receive instructions on who to hit. I was not given a target. I asked SS on when they were going to declare, checked ETA times once in war, told my guys when to expect next wave, and then missed that wave because I was having a few beers.
Us razing FS has NOTHING to do with SS asking it. We would have razed FS regardless of who they were warring. Yes, I would have dealbroken that deal regardless. If you want to make a deal with me, great, but then dont hold a gun to my head. Mind you that we've been a very honourable kingdom all age(s). We've never dealbroken in the past, and we've always been nice to whoever we warred/waved.
I'm well aware Ruthless (and/or my prov) is in a world of crap after this war. I dont care. I've been bullied enough to know that I will no longer submit to any of it.
FS had it coming, just like we'll probably have it coming.
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That said, could someone please explain why Ruthless dealbreaking is worse than BB dealbreaking (as I understand it they broke cf with SS? Who had nothing to do with me dealbreaking FS....)?
Have a good evening,
Regards,
NighT
because FS and BB are allies, its standard affair that if your allies are being gb'ed your allowed to help w/out it being a "true dealbreak".
So when SS, our ally, got fed on by FS it wasnt alright for me to dealbreak? Awesome, I love double standards.
Are you really allies if one side claims up and down that they aren't allies? I seem to recall FS denying all claims that they were allied with BB last age.
Also the fact that FS got gangbanged is not on SS. It's on Ruthless (and whatever other KD is doing the GB). Shouldnt BB be razing them? Instead of razing into a war, on a kingdom who did nothing wrong other than max out the meter against the bully?
Thanks for the drama.
It made my old whatsapp grp with my ex grp of guys from cRAZiEs active again.
Utopia is just social text-based chess/poker/starcraft/trading
There is only 1 important strategy in Utopia. Game Theory
Age 57-63 : Pyromaniacs co-leader
Age 64: Retired ghetto (Sillies)
Age 65: Retired warring ghetto (Sillies X)
To be continued...
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Dont be a retail investor/trader. You will lose shinies.
NighT no, BB is an honourable kingdom with high standard who can dealbreak when they feel like.
Trust me they will find a way to make it seem fine that they dealbreak.
War is what happens when language fails.
Lost Souls here
No one had to ask us to raze FS. Obviously I was already pointing out before they even waved SS that they should not continue down that path. I also always say, bad things happen to bad people, it's called Karma.
We are not allied with any of the kingdoms hitting FS. We are friends with some, but then we are also friends with some of the people in kingdoms that are razing SS.
Having a different opinion doesn't make me not be someones friend. I do think those kingdoms are making a mistake. Especially after new information about a deal break by FS earlier in the age emerged. And I agree with whiterose, SS did nothing but max the meter, they didn't break any rules.
If you insist on hitting someone as a punishment for something you consider wrong at least punish the ones that committed such acts.
Just because hitting SS is easier and suits your agendas better does not make it right.
Where does this come from this time? :p
Obviously if KD A waves KD B, there is a certain amount of time were, regardless if retsls or not, KD A initiated a hostile. If it remains to be one depends in the response of KD B.
It's not a double standard at all. It's about scale and proper response/just punishment. Typically there are exactly 2 reasons that everyone would agree upon that would negate old deals and require action. #1, someone hitting into a 1 v 1 fight, war in particular and #2 severe deal break, particularly eoacf ones. If you don't have one or the other, you don't have severe enough circumstances to override your previous deals/relations. Others may argue for other things to override, but basically everyone would agree that both of these circumstances are severe enough. Your reason for doing what you're doing is trivial compared to the 2 pillars I'm talking about and certainly dont justify the bs that's going on currently. That is currently where the disagreement is in my opinion. Most of the server thinks your gangbang is unjustified because it lacks the severity needed to go that far. Most of the kds on your side are not involved because they feel morally obligated. Instead, most of them are spiteful that FS did something to them either this age or prior ones.
Is it really sitting that deep?
I'm not involved this time in any way shape or form. Each time your organisation gets together to bully different kds though its stokes further animosity towards you. Irrespective of the exact circumstances here, eventually your alliance will overplay your hand.
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