Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[Palem]

Prevent what? There's nothing that's happened that has needed to be prevented. Some kingdoms stood up for what they thought was right. Some other kingdoms stood up for what they thought was right. One side won.


If your side had been on top of this exchange I'd be willing to be a pretty penny that you wouldn't be complaining that the devs need to "fix" the game so "morally corrupt" players don't have so much power. Also, for what it's worth, calling other players morally corrupt because they disagree with you makes you sound bitter and stubborn.

[StratOcastle]

I recall Palem going after FREE. So to might those that oppose the diplomatic environment in question.

It's on the timetable of those willing to move when they feel like it. If they don't feel like it the situation continues. If they do feel like it then oh well. It doesn't have to be organized, just an dividual with a grudge. Or a few as we recall Remote razing AMA.

Change is tough. The new boss is often like the old. But maybe we're not talking about change.

[Swagger]

Huh, today I learned Coles Notes is Canadian only haha

[Korp]

I think they could prevent a lot of this if they changed some things. It has been brought up a lot. The suggestion thread is full of it. They of course cannot prevent people with poor moral from playing, but they could change the mechanics to at least make it harder to abuse the system.

People dont interfer for ****s and giggles, well not usually but there is something that leads up to that moment when it happends. So, bluntly you put yourself in the said situation. Dont play with fire if you dont wanna risk getting burned.

[Goodwitch]

Prevent what? There's nothing that's happened that has needed to be prevented. Some kingdoms stood up for what they thought was right. Some other kingdoms stood up for what they thought was right. One side won.


If your side had been on top of this exchange I'd be willing to be a pretty penny that you wouldn't be complaining that the devs need to "fix" the game so "morally corrupt" players don't have so much power. Also, for what it's worth, calling other players morally corrupt because they disagree with you makes you sound bitter and stubborn.

"my side" will always win eventually, it always does. Maybe not in this case in Utopia since the way it is going they will kill the game before good and fair can prevail.
you would lose that bet.
I am stubborn and yes right now I am bitter. Disagreeing with me does not prompt me to dislike or disrespect someone. Showing a lack of human decency, unsportsmanlike behavior and bullying do. If the community rewards such behavior there is a problem.

i am currently trying to help a kingdom being raze killed by another kingdom for no reason. It's a small kingdom so the top won't care about it.
These are almost all new players, do you honestly think they will return after this pleasant gaming experience? And this isn't even in war. It's not against the rules though and they didn't break any deals. They are bigger and stronger so the game (and the top has seconded that opinion) makes it okay.

Just because something is not prevented by game mechanics doesn't mean it should be tolerated.
Just because something isn't specifically mentioned in the code of conduct doesn't mean we should tolerate it. It should definitely not be rewarded.

[MyNameIsMatija]

not at all. It's no secret who sent the banner, it shows in their news. I think Ascension should take the honor crown actually. But what the banner does show is that no one ever really had a shot at the crown other than FS. It was decided at the beginning of the age, maybe even before then. Clearly proven by the actions of their "friends". Makes that crown a truly honorable achievement...not.

Kiss up enough and some day it may be your turn to crown :) I can give you a map of where to start.

Like I said; it was our plan to get GBed all along.

[MyNameIsMatija]

"my side" will always win eventually, it always does. Maybe not in this case in Utopia since the way it is going they will kill the game before good and fair can prevail.
you would lose that bet.
I am stubborn and yes right now I am bitter. Disagreeing with me does not prompt me to dislike or disrespect someone. Showing a lack of human decency, unsportsmanlike behavior and bullying do. If the community rewards such behavior there is a problem.

i am currently trying to help a kingdom being raze killed by another kingdom for no reason. It's a small kingdom so the top won't care about it.
These are almost all new players, do you honestly think they will return after this pleasant gaming experience? And this isn't even in war. It's not against the rules though and they didn't break any deals. They are bigger and stronger so the game (and the top has seconded that opinion) makes it okay.

Just because something is not prevented by game mechanics doesn't mean it should be tolerated.
Just because something isn't specifically mentioned in the code of conduct doesn't mean we should tolerate it. It should definitely not be rewarded.

Completely agree with you. Things like organized GBs, EoACF dealbreaks, RKing into ones war are all things we as a community need to sanction; preach it sister.

[Palem]

Just because something is not prevented by game mechanics doesn't mean it should be tolerated.
Just because something isn't specifically mentioned in the code of conduct doesn't mean we should tolerate it. It should definitely not be rewarded.

And you're perfectly able to do something about it and if you do do something about it, then it's clearly not rewarded. Much in the same way that 2v1 warring is not "rewarded" by the game, even though you're almost guaranteed to win every war you get if you have your friends hitting them too.
(and that's why you need to able to raze into wars)


Also, no one is "rewarding" bullying/unsportsmanlike behavior. They're defending a kingdom that was getting bullied by a group of kingdoms that decided to take a punishment way too far and break deals along the way.

[Korp]

Also, no one is "rewarding" bullying/unsportsmanlike behavior. They're defending a kingdom that was getting bullied by a group of kingdoms that decided to take a punishment way too far and break deals along the way

Thats a pretty naive approach though, they arent defending anyone cause they felt whatever side is doing something wrong. They are doing it for fun of it and the age is over. If there would still be a crown race going on and the winner not decided nobody would have lift a finger to help em out. Not those that participate for crown at least.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Thats a pretty naive approach though, they arent defending anyone cause they felt whatever side is doing something wrong. They are doing it for fun of it and the age is over. If there would still be a crown race going on and the winner not decided nobody would have lift a finger to help em out. Not those that participate for crown at least.

You must be fun at parties.

[Palem]

The reason they're participating is because the age is over. That doesn't really have much to do with who they're razing though. Admittedly, BB wouldn't be caught dead razing FS, at least not without something incredibly serious being proven against them. At best they just wouldn't get involved and not raze anyone.

People are razing the side that promotes their best interest, whether that be personally, for the kd, or for the game. Even if they're just bored because it's EoW, they're not just going to start razing a kingdom that's going to come back and bite them.

[Korp]

The reason they're participating is because the age is over. That doesn't really have much to do with who they're razing though. Admittedly, BB wouldn't be caught dead razing FS, at least not without something incredibly serious being proven against them. At best they just wouldn't get involved and not raze anyone.

People are razing the side that promotes their best interest, whether that be personally, for the kd, or for the game. Even if they're just bored because it's EoW, they're not just going to start razing a kingdom that's going to come back and bite them.

What you really mean and what you said is they are razing people that cant harm them back, that means not good kds. Not promoting their interest, nothing fancy like, they do it cause they can.

[Goodwitch]

That's only 1 argument. There are plenty of others:

-The community needs a way to police itself (not just policing actual rule breakers, but things that the community doesn't like)

So you are saying the community likes being bottomfed on, deal broke, hit into hostile, intimidated, etc? Who decides who the police is? Who decides what the community doesn't like?

Again I am not even complaining about being policed.This is not about if we deserved punishment, I stated myself that we did.

BUT we were policed for 19k acres and 10k honor or so before there was even an investigation. Matter of fact until last night for example pale had no idea we even got policed(and I can't prove this part but pretty sure Zauper was surprised when I told him as well). We still haven't been showed evidence and will not be shown evidence. They did conclude that my kingdom is not linked to a gb. Someone somewhere mentioned that my kingdom was hitting FS...I could have told them that.
You can't convict someone without looking at evidence. Then carry out a sentence...and after the fact change the verdict to justify the sentence.

The proper way would be to bring up charges
check if charges are substantiated
Give the accused access to evidence and give them a chance to defend themselves
render the verdict
carry out the sentence

And yes I have the logs. This time I will be more diligent as you called it. Trust doesn't come cheap anymore.

[Pale]

Thats a pretty naive approach though, they arent defending anyone cause they felt whatever side is doing something wrong. They are doing it for fun of it and the age is over. If there would still be a crown race going on and the winner not decided nobody would have lift a finger to help em out. Not those that participate for crown at least.

Sorting through all the crap, having to run waves/hits during christmas, spending time arguing on here, etc is not fun. This entire situation is NOT FUN. Hitting one of my friends is certainly not fun.

[Palem]

So you are saying the community likes being bottomfed on, deal broke, hit into hostile, intimidated, etc? Who decides who the police is? Who decides what the community doesn't like?

Again I am not even complaining about being policed.This is not about if we deserved punishment, I stated myself that we did.

BUT we were policed for 19k acres and 10k honor or so before there was even an investigation. Matter of fact until last night for example pale had no idea we even got policed(and I can't prove this part but pretty sure Zauper was surprised when I told him as well). We still haven't been showed evidence and will not be shown evidence. They did conclude that my kingdom is not linked to a gb. Someone somewhere mentioned that my kingdom was hitting FS...I could have told them that.
You can't convict someone without looking at evidence. Then carry out a sentence...and after the fact change the verdict to justify the sentence.

The proper way would be to bring up charges
check if charges are substantiated
Give the accused access to evidence and give them a chance to defend themselves
render the verdict
carry out the sentence

And yes I have the logs. This time I will be more diligent as you called it. Trust doesn't come cheap anymore.

Aren't you trying to intimidate utopia into acting a way that falls into line with what you think is the "right" way to play? How are you any different than the "morally corrupt" top that you find to be so objectionable?


This isn't the Unites States Supreme Court. You can't cite the bill of rights for what is or is not a razable offense. There is no due-process or a presumption of innocence. You need exactly as much evidence as it take to convince you that someone is guilty. No more, no less.