Suicide Squad VS FReakstyle

[Goodwitch]

if the number of hits we made against said kd is also a confidential info, then i will gladly accept them not answering that question.. is it so?

you have the number of hits made, just like you had the logs. You are just trying to be difficult because you know it's much harder to get information from a kingdom that no longer exists. You are speculating on that exact numbers and news cannot be found. Just like you did with the logs.
But we all know, so you can't play that "oh I don't know" game that got you in this position in the first place.

when it first came up, if you had said, hey yea we had some disputed back then, but we came to an agreement to end it, iampost wouldnt have went digging up the logs. Instead you insisted on demanding to see proof while some of your kingdom mates called iampost a liar.
You will have to learn that this kind of behavior is getting you in trouble. Try honesty and frankness for a change. It's so much easier

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

you have the number of hits made, just like you had the logs. You are just trying to be difficult because you know it's much harder to get information from a kingdom that no longer exists. You are speculating on that exact numbers and news cannot be found. Just like you did with the logs.
But we all know, so you can't play that "oh I don't know" game that got you in this position in the first place.

when it first came up, if you had said, hey yea we had some disputed back then, but we came to an agreement to end it, iampost wouldnt have went digging up the logs. Instead you insisted on demanding to see proof while some of your kingdom mates called iampost a liar.
You will have to learn that this kind of behavior is getting you in trouble. Try honesty and frankness for a change. It's so much easier

once again mirana, you dont have a slightest clue what you are talking about.. we were called breaking deals while we had none, and only deal broken was their war agreement against us.. they claimed they are disbanding and everyone is inactive, but they kept army in/out on randoms for 48h or so, and suddenly they got waved & decided they are not disbanding anymore and willing to war again.. we have made a grand total of 7 hits against them, and i wouldnt stop at all if i hadnt found out later that our monarch had told them we wont hit them.. to sum it up, they ****played us & we ****played them back (yeah, 7 hits), we came to terms in the end and went to own ways..

lampost is still a liar for calling this a dealbreak (perhaps he means their own dealbreak), for calling this a gb (no comment) and claiming we have made them disband with our HUGE interference..

you are still a clueless whiner, jumping on every chance to paint fs in bad light, while you are the bad guyz here for hitting into war & killing provs, because we had 'differences' and had argued over forums.. if i had been hitting into wars with everyone i dont like or have differences with, i would have to spend my entire uto life hitting into ppl's wars, but you are a hypocrite & i dont expect you to understand the depth of the failure of your actions..

[silverfox]

How did FS get punished? They were already being waved and had lost quite a bit of stuff. The issue is not what had already happened to FS, but that Pyro had taken some of that honour back. ED decided they wanted their honour back, which was the concern, and because of their history they wanted to punish FS as much as possible so of course they'd suggest it all come from FS. Eventually they decided as long as the honour came back from somewhere it would be acceptable. Yeah it's an awkward situation when you have resources changing hands in different directions. FS took it in the behind publicly on top of getting waved multiple times already. Pyro took some lashes publicly for helping without knowing history. and BB, because of their advising role, took some responsibility for it and decided they'd give up land/honour/resources for their actions. You think getting waved for free ~3x means nothing to a kingdom? Even if you're not fighting for honour, doesn't your hard earned honour and resources matter? You think taking a taunt banner that you're their property for a few days while getting whacked constantly is easy? You're taking a straight up farming. Almost all the whining I see on the forums has to do with one side feeling helpless to stop another from taking their ****. Needless to say, the BB players were not at all happy with this but they accepted it after an explanation because they had no choice.

So FS being waved by a KD is now a "punishment"? Are you actually serious when you say that? If ED had of wanted to raze kill every prov in FS last age, then by the logic displayed here it would have been their right to do so, instead FS ate a few waves, ED got double hostiled and Pyro gained a bunch of land, while FS gained a CF saving their age, so once again I'll ask you what FS lost in this whole deal besides the land/honour ED had taken? They didn't even need to honour EDs tabled CF offer and give up any extra land/honour.

You come across as either naive of totally dumb, oh no FS got called out on the forums, do you actually think they give a **** about other peoples opinions on these forums vs. the prospect of having ED hit them for 2-3+ weeks like they did to ED the age before? Oh god Pyro took "public lashes", I have no idea what planet you're on, but none of them care less about the publicity. Let me ask you, if I or someone else says "Pale you're a noob", do you care? Does it wound and humiliate you, or do you think it's just some random person you don't know on the internet? So if you (likely) don't care what makes you think these KDs do?

You're delusional if you think any of the 3 KDs lost anything of worth over the ED incident last age. Pyro having to payback the acres/honour + compensation and FS being left to fight ED 1v1 would have been a somewhat "fair" outcome, rather than FS learning that if they run for help then they can just force CFs with other people.

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I'm aware of the logs, the short version is someone in ABS council said that if a prov wanted a CF they should OOW raze, that suggestion lead to a whole KD being Gbed and having to step out of #1 race, despite ASF making multiple offers on the forums of how they were willing to compensate the KDs involved. So when "Fair Play" are offered compensation for something a random person did on suggestion of a player, they're allowed to turn down offers and GB a KD out of the age, but when ED wants their honour back from the KD who instigated a double hostile on them then it's not allowed, a CF is enforced and ED have to try and get a few thousand honour back off provs giving like 20 honour a hit, seems legit.

As for Zauper I have no idea why CR would be involved, but in the ED case and the ABS case, clear evidence was presented, yet no-one can actually show SS leadership or even any players in there went and asked people to help. He can answer his own KDs actions if he feels like it.

Also FS did organise the double hostile on ED, they went to BB to ask for help and BB then asked Pyro to wave ED with some bull**** made up either by them or by FS. A random player in BB didn't just go to Pyro and say "hey double ED please", FS approached them for aid because they'd helped GB ABS. Answer me this, did ED get back all of the honour they lost to Pyro from BB? Also what the hell are you talking about that "it definitely was inappropriate for ED to do what they did", so you're saying ED wasn't allowed to wave another KD in the honour race (as FS have done this age)? FS had a CF offered to them in exchange for land/honour, they chose to decline it, so ED chose to take it by force. Something FS did to ED 2 ages ago and have done to SS this age (taking honour from weaker KD), yet you're telling us that EDs actions were inappropriate?

Here's the problem, there's a clear and patterned set of actions by Fair Play KDs, which are hypocritical in the extreme. Their KDs are allowed to "bully" others 1v1 but others aren't allowed to use size against them, if they want to GB a KD then they can do it on circumstantial evidence which wouldn't stand up to reasonable doubt checks, yet when they ****play other KDs we saw page after page of lies and denials over any wrong doing, until one of them screwed up and released logs.

Clearly you spent a long time investigating considering BB started razes into SS a few hours into war.

There was nothing "forced". It was done in good faith to repair damage done to ED. Just suck it up and deal with it, it's a thing of the past which only a few individuals like you bring up just to try and throw some fuel on the fire.

I'll repeat the above question, did ED get all the honour back from BB? Why was the honour not given from FS who asked BB for help as "punishment"? Why did Pyro get to keep everything they took rather than razing it off? Pretty sure Parth said ED had no choice, of course if Zauper wants to come and post that ED got all of their demands met, that they were reasonable and everyone was 100% happy then I guess we can drop it. I mean I assume ED would have got whatever they wanted after your 3 KDs built on the pillars of "fair play" decided to ****play them to save one of your KDs ages, there'd be no question about how humble you'd be knowing the hypocrisy in your actions and do everything in your power to put it right... Or not eh.

I said my opinion on a certain incident didn't matter, I know what I was told by leadership regarding the incident as well.

[Zauper]

SF: Honestly, there wasn't a ton of discussion. I asked the three folks online what they wanted -- Helluva, Tadpole, and Parth. I'd say Tad was probably the main leader last age, but Parth is usually the main guy. Parth wanted revenge on FS (and Iampost -- the hope of everyone on the ED side involved was to fight FS again later in the age, the issue is that both sides wanted guarantees it would be fair, which would be hard considering feelings) for it.

No one (in ED that spoke with me) particularly cared about Pyro having had gained.

I'll be honest and tell you that there wasn't much discussion about the question of FS vs BB giving the honor. I went to them and said 'ED wants FS to give the honor that ED lost to pyro', and flogger said 'Can we give it instead, it would be easier for everyone?' I asked tadpole/helluva (parth was offline at this point), and they said sure that works.

So I would say that ED didn't have their demands met, but also didn't really ask for me (or they themselves) to advocate hard for FS to give the honor.

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As for why we're involved, it's simple:

GBing a kingdom for waving another kingdom outside of their declare range is a terrible precedent for the game. While I'd say Mirana has some valid gripes, there is sufficient evidence that SS and Ruthless coordinated their activities. That evidence has even been posted fairly publicly -- ingame messages from Ruthless' monarch claiming that they're coordinating a GB on FS with SS; Whatsapp channel logs with some of said coordination, etc. Circumstantially, the timing of razes beginning.

That there is additional evidence to the coordinated nature that is not being made publicly available is, frankly, irrelevant. The evidence absent it is quite compelling.

We're not exactly super involved. I think we've made a total of about 16 hits, with the last one being 49 hours ago.

[Goodwitch]

Francis...an agreement to war is no more or less binding than an agreement not to hit.
So if you claim they broke their deal to war you then you most certainly had a deal that you wouldn't hit them.

The difference is that they a) asked before they "broke the deal" which you agreed, which makes the deal void and not broken. b)had good reason to back out of war because you yourself pointed out that at that time their nw was much smaller than yours.
Your kingdom a)did not inform them of hitting them into their hostile, in contrary you told them you would not, which represents a deal break. b) had no reason other than spitefulness for the db

did I mention you trying to twist the truth gets you in trouble?
Would you like to take JUST 7 hits into your hostiles? Is that the precedence you want to set?

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

Francis...an agreement to war is no more or less binding than an agreement not to hit.
So if you claim they broke their deal to war you then you most certainly had a deal that you wouldn't hit them.

The difference is that they a) asked before they "broke the deal" which you agreed, which makes the deal void and not broken. b)had good reason to back out of war because you yourself pointed out that at that time their nw was much smaller than yours.
Your kingdom a)did not inform them of hitting them into their hostile, in contrary you told them you would not, which represents a deal break. b) had no reason other than spitefulness for the db

did I mention you trying to twist the truth gets you in trouble?
Would you like to take JUST 7 hits into your hostiles? Is that the precedence you want to set?

id be happily leaving that deal behind if they were truly disbanding.. but their sn was showing otherwise, and they paid for it - just like we paid for hitting them while telling we wouldnt.. a truce was set in the end and both kds moved on.. i dont think you grasp the resolved conflict concept..

would you like someone to break their war deal with you with bs reasons, only to show max activity randoms and end up warring another kd? is that the precedence you want to set? if you find us doing that, you are welcome to make 14 hits instead..

[FS Best KD in the World]

As for why we're involved, it's simple:

GBing a kingdom for waving another kingdom outside of their declare range is a terrible precedent for the game. While I'd say Mirana has some valid gripes, there is sufficient evidence that SS and Ruthless coordinated their activities. That evidence has even been posted fairly publicly -- ingame messages from Ruthless' monarch claiming that they're coordinating a GB on FS with SS; Whatsapp channel logs with some of said coordination, etc. Circumstantially, the timing of razes beginning.

That there is additional evidence to the coordinated nature that is not being made publicly available is, frankly, irrelevant. The evidence absent it is quite compelling.

We're not exactly super involved. I think we've made a total of about 16 hits, with the last one being 49 hours ago.

Look Zauper, next time CR goes into a war, I'm going to be razing that other KD then posting on the forums saying Zauper made me do it! We had no grudges against that kd at all, we just want to help our allies CR! So everyone can come and gangbang you for this "concrete evidence" that you organized a gangbang. You just quoted saying what Night, monarch of Ruthless posted was the concrete evidence. Ok, let's judge for ourselves:

White Rose - NighT - Monarch of Ruthless.

Can we all please just identify ourselves before each post? Half the time I'm trying to figure out who (what KD) is actually saying what. It's annoying. I'm not that much into the whole politics / diplomacy.
Anyway, to answers a few questions I've seen in this topic:

Ruthless got waved by FS and had its TMs raped for no good reason other than that we couldnt hit back and they provided nice punching bags. Destroyed our chance of warring (I believe this is a re-occuring problem). Ruthless was forced into CF.
Even before I, monarch of Ruthless, agreed to that bullcrap cf (yes, I did agree to it) I had already edited in the monarch message "we'll get back to FS the moment we can".

We then continued to rebuild for near a week, waved a bit and couldnt find anything (all TMs below KD average size even). When I saw FS was bullying SS I knew it was only a matter of time till I would be contacted. Which I was. I received a PM asking if "I was looking to get back at these guys". I was given the headsup on SS wanting to declare. I said that we still had a bone to pick with FS, that's it. I have razed into FS on my own acord. I did not receive instructions on who to hit. I was not given a target. I asked SS on when they were going to declare, checked ETA times once in war, told my guys when to expect next wave, and then missed that wave because I was having a few beers.

Us razing FS has NOTHING to do with SS asking it. We would have razed FS regardless of who they were warring. Yes, I would have dealbroken that deal regardless. If you want to make a deal with me, great, but then dont hold a gun to my head. Mind you that we've been a very honourable kingdom all age(s). We've never dealbroken in the past, and we've always been nice to whoever we warred/waved.

I'm well aware Ruthless (and/or my prov) is in a world of crap after this war. I dont care. I've been bullied enough to know that I will no longer submit to any of it.

FS had it coming, just like we'll probably have it coming.


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That said, could someone please explain why Ruthless dealbreaking is worse than BB dealbreaking (as I understand it they broke cf with SS? Who had nothing to do with me dealbreaking FS....)?

Have a good evening,
Regards,

NighT

If you even bothered to read, they give concrete evidence AGAINST a planned coordination, rather that they were doing it because they got ****played by FS and wanted revenge, much like Lost souls and Goodwitch who you just said had valid gripes into razing. You also said that the timing of razes at the beginning of war was crucial, I want you to refer to his post and see for yourself how organized the hits immediately after war were:

Here's the news (Razes and CF breaks only) from FS's side from war start May 11, until May 24, minus Feint's kd (you know why). make up your own minds whether this is your "overwhelming evidence for an organized gb" and "long time gathering info before razing SS":

Notice the absence of supposed allies Goodwitch and lost souls and that only 4 unique people from ruthless were razing in the 13h following war declare.

May 11 of YR15 Our prolonged hostility with SS yolo till eoa (SS) has forced us into a WAR
May 12 of YR15 my moms lovetoy (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of Techno Viking (FS).
May 12 of YR15 my moms lovetoy (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of Techno Viking (FS).
May 12 of YR15 my moms lovetoy (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of Techno Viking (FS).
May 12 of YR15 my moms lovetoy (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of Techno Viking (FS).
May 12 of YR15 my moms lovetoy (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of Techno Viking (FS).
May 12 of YR15 An unknown province from Wavin Hostile (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of Techno Viking (FS).
May 13 of YR15 Nublet Taldor (Ruthless) attempted to invade I Am the Best (FS).
May 13 of YR15 Nublet Taldor (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of I Am the Best (FS).
May 13 of YR15 Nublet Taldor (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of I Am the Best (FS).
May 13 of YR15 Nublet Taldor (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of I Am the Best (FS).
May 13 of YR15 Nublet Taldor (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of I Am the Best (FS).
May 13 of YR15 Mighty Coldhand5 (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of I Am the Best (FS).
May 13 of YR15 Snorlax the Lazy (Ruthless) razed 15 acres of I Am the Best (FS).
May 17 of YR15 Snorlax the Lazy (Ruthless) razed 32 acres of Going Out In Style (FS).
May 17 of YR15 Snorlax the Lazy (Ruthless) razed 28 acres of Going Out In Style (FS).
May 23 of YR15 Lu Hao (Lu Hao) has broken their ceasefire agreement with us!

And then you say all our evidence against FS is irrelevant and that you had enough evidence for you and the alliance to act. Well if you're so sure you made the right decision, why stop at your 16 hits, shouldn't you raze SS to the ground for their supposed gb? That you take FS's and BB's word when in fact they organized the gangbang on SS only 7 ticks after war declare when only 4 unique players except Birdies hit into FS in the first 13 hours of war is beyond a joke. Your actions sadden me, Zauper. You try to police things so hard for "fairness" when in fact you are just another puppet of BB, just like FS and the other Fair play alliance crap. Yet another kd who bends over to BB and FS, I hope you are proud of what you guys achieved.

[citadela01]

@silverfox
You are not the least of hypocrits on these boards, when FS farmed you 2 ages ago it was dead even fight that erupted after you onesidedly decided agreed upon war deal was void. We smashed you to bits starting from even grounds over it. To present it as blantant farming is BS. It could have and should ended much sooned that it did, but that is as much yours fault as it was ours. Our leaderships were just spitting poison on eachother.

Last age you vultured us when we came out of aliance war and waved us crazy pumped with half your KD ub and half our KD pk'ed in aliance war and restarted. It was a slaughter and we had no chance. We ofered 2 free waves in exchange for CF which is more than enough by anyones standards, you refused and asked for 4, which is unheared of. Its lame as **** to make such insane requests just cause someone stomped you 1v1.

What did you get from it ? You farmed ****ton of honor and land of us which propelled you in standings, and than proceeded to oow farm honor from kd's below you unhindered claiming crown in the process. The disparsity from honor gained from BB and lost to Pyro is nothing, drop in the sea you took from FS. You profited a LOT from entire affair.
You were fine with reparations made, dont backpadle now.
Not to mention whatever was dont to you is NOTHING compared to what was attempted by SS and its allies (including you) this age against FS.

@everyone who feels bullied by FS
Each and every KD we wave has a very reasonable and clean ticket out. Tank 1 wave, get CF in return. It is reasonable, its far, its not bullying.
We pay the price for our CF's, we pay the price when we dont want to fight. Do the same, if you have resources we want, we reserve the right to wave you. We will fight for this right every day of the week, if you retal war us you dont have moral grounds to complain.
If you cant deal with that I suggest you quit the game. Cause that is what Utopia is all about. If size and strength of a KD werent meant to be used as a leverage than extra acres wouldnt provide extra troops and income.

@Goodwitch
You are worst. Not because your ingame actions but because of your twisted morals.
Its incredible how your side does everything you accuse FS off, its incredible how you deny us every right and privilege you ask for yourself and your allies in this affair.

You whine how SS got gb'ed without "process" w/e that implies and you have no issue with the fact it was dont to us first.
We need to excersize some sort of trial or whatnot ... yet its ok for 3 kd's to pull the trigger and GB us.
Even your attempts to form a "taskforce" are nothing but attempt to sieze the power to enforce your own set of morals, something you accuse FS and anyone who stands up to your GB off.

I respect ppl like Feint who do what they do with clear and concise goal, to **** people over and dont hide it. I may not like him, but i respect him.
You on the other hand lack moral fiber for it. You whine, cry and play victim and completely ignore you all pulled the trigger first.

You need to get off that pedestal and look arround just what you got yourself into. If "fairness" you preach means its ok to 3v1 into war someone who "wasnt nice" to you I dont want any of it.

[FS Best KD in the World]

@everyone who feels bullied by FS
Each and every KD we wave has a very reasonable and clean ticket out. Tank 1 wave, get CF in return. It is reasonable, its far, its not bullying.
We pay the price for our CF's, we pay the price when we dont want to fight. Do the same, if you have resources we want, we reserve the right to wave you. We will fight for this right every day of the week, if you retal war us you dont have moral grounds to complain.
If you cant deal with that I suggest you quit the game. Cause that is what Utopia is all about. If size and strength of a KD werent meant to be used as a leverage than extra acres wouldnt provide extra troops and income.

@Goodwitch
You are worst. Not because your ingame actions but because of your twisted morals.
Its incredible how your side does everything you accuse FS off, its incredible how you deny us every right and privilege you ask for yourself and your allies in this affair.

You whine how SS got gb'ed without "process" w/e that implies and you have no issue with the fact it was dont to us first.
We need to excersize some sort of trial or whatnot ... yet its ok for 3 kd's to pull the trigger and GB us.
Even your attempts to form a "taskforce" are nothing but attempt to sieze the power to enforce your own set of morals, something you accuse FS and anyone who stands up to your GB off.

I respect ppl like Feint who do what they do with clear and concise goal, to **** people over and dont hide it. I may not like him, but i respect him.
You on the other hand lack moral fiber for it. You whine, cry and play victim and completely ignore you all pulled the trigger first.

You need to get off that pedestal and look arround just what you got yourself into. If "fairness" you preach means its ok to 3v1 into war someone who "wasnt nice" to you I dont want any of it.

Look yourself in the mirror you hypocrit. You say people FS wave can tank 1 wave and get a CF in return. In SS's case they tanked 2 waves without any retal and you still wouldn't CF because SS were still over 85% of FS honor range, so you needed to wave again and again until we dropped out of that range and of course all on our tms, so we couldn't have another legitimate war this age. Also Goodwitch isn't in SS, she is just standing up to the bullies her own way. Noone of SS is whining about the gangbang even if they are wronged. Like Sheister said, we accept that FS has more fame and therefore more powerful allies than SS who only formed this age, and we accept that your leverage with top KDs got you out of this situation.

[lampost]

once again mirana, you dont have a slightest clue what you are talking about.. we were called breaking deals while we had none, and only deal broken was their war agreement against us.. they claimed they are disbanding and everyone is inactive, but they kept army in/out on randoms for 48h or so, and suddenly they got waved & decided they are not disbanding anymore and willing to war again.. we have made a grand total of 7 hits against them, and i wouldnt stop at all if i hadnt found out later that our monarch had told them we wont hit them.. to sum it up, they ****played us & we ****played them back (yeah, 7 hits), we came to terms in the end and went to own ways..

lampost is still a liar for calling this a dealbreak (perhaps he means their own dealbreak), for calling this a gb (no comment) and claiming we have made them disband with our HUGE interference..

you are still a clueless whiner, jumping on every chance to paint fs in bad light, while you are the bad guyz here for hitting into war & killing provs, because we had 'differences' and had argued over forums.. if i had been hitting into wars with everyone i dont like or have differences with, i would have to spend my entire uto life hitting into ppl's wars, but you are a hypocrite & i dont expect you to understand the depth of the failure of your actions..

Finally a semi-coherent response. However it lacks accuracy and is a distortion of facts.

There are really 2 parts. The agreed war we had with FS and the subsequent war we were going to have with kingdom x:x.

Background:

Part 1:
We agreed to war no question. However, we were 0/3 having a tough age, had players leaving and big internal issues. We went to FS and asked permission to withdraw from the war based on these issues, they GAVE us permission. (there are logs that several other kds asked us for war and we refused for the same reason[see footnote 1], there were also inquiries going on some sort of merger with another kd.) The biggest proof of the fact that we were going to disband was that we DID actually disband.
In the first part there is more than enough evidence to show that the 'disbanding' was not an avoidance. In fact we agreed to war later in the age if we got things together even if we would be at a disadvantage.

Part 2:
A few days later, x:x did a learn wave on us (I believe we were taking many hits at the time.) They were a much easier kd and the learn wave left many big attackers with no incoming. Being that they gave us the button in such a favorable position to us we decided that we would try one last time to see if we could work something out with the kd and go to war. We realized that earlier on we had a deal to war you (by now we were 1 mill NW smaller not even sure if that is declare range in year 6.) So we messaged you and your king and explained the situation. An easy war might help to solve some kd issues and stop us from disbanding. As I posted a few posts ago. YOU BOTH GAVE US PERMISSION TO WAR THEM. You then proceed with hitting into our hostile AND dealbroke your permission not to touch us.

Even if for arguments sake we were avoiding you (which we were not.) We went directly to ask you and your king about opening hostiles with x:x and got permission from both, yet you went and DB ad DH us behind our back. (And btw another important point..... we asked you about warring x:x after you found as so 'active' in your sn of us which further shows you said yes irrespective of previous circumstances.)

All this casts to one side the unsavory way you talked to us.

i dont think you grasp the resolved conflict concept..

I think he does grasp it. Clearly it means FS can call in fairplay allies on ED and let someone else take the punishment. It also means that you took no punishment for your db and hitting into a hostile. (I can add threatening to hit into a war also.)

Oh and I believe you even said as much yourself that you gave us the button, so your maths might be wrong somewhere. But I cant be 100% sure, 7/8 hits makes sense. But the key is that the logs show you wanted to continue and even hit into our war. You only backed of after ED sent a couple hits your way.

p.s I'm not sure how good we were at armies in/out. Some of them were sitters (I think we were 17 in a 25 man kd actually playing.) And if we are about to disband you can be damn sure keeping armies home 24/7 is a final nail in the coffin!

1. I am prepared to provide proof on a case by case basis in a pm. But this is a side point.

[Goodwitch]

id be happily leaving that deal behind if they were truly disbanding.. but their sn was showing otherwise, and they paid for it - just like we paid for hitting them while telling we wouldnt.. a truce was set in the end and both kds moved on.. i dont think you grasp the resolved conflict concept..

would you like someone to break their war deal with you with bs reasons, only to show max activity randoms and end up warring another kd? is that the precedence you want to set? if you find us doing that, you are welcome to make 14 hits instead..

If someone has agreed to war us (we try to avoid the whole arranged war thing in the first place) and then was waved by a kingdom in better range I would wish them good luck with their war. The beauty of being war ready vs pumping for a specific war is that we are flexible. Yes, that means that sometimes we lose. But at least it doesn't force us to insist on a war where we have an unfair advantage...just think, people were already poking fun at your avg opponent size, had they warred you it would look much worse. So they kind of did you a favor.

I was by no means trying to get you punished for this incident. I understand it was somewhat resolved. It was just showing the way you operate. And that your word can't be trusted, (the reason I say somewhat is because I saw what and how the "agreement" was reached. And at which size difference and under which threats)


There is a reason they are called Feyrplay and not Fairplay...it's not a typo

[protector]

Logic seems to suggest they did not have much of a say Prot, the minimum they should have got is the honour from FS and perhaps pyro also. FS initiated the GB and pyro were the ones to hit. They paid nothing (aside for a taunt banner). But refer to post 768. Silvefox also claimed that ED did not have much of a say. Zauper also stated ED wanted another fight against pyro.

ED had already taken honor from FS. It was the honor Pyro took which this is all about.

Yeah I get the 'assume my friends in fs are innocent mentality. If you want the logs you can get them from Goodwhich, Meteor, myself and others. I like the way you say there must be ' 2 sides to a story' and then 'i cant be arsed investigating.'

You want me to go investigate something thats like what, 2months old? Can papers even be provided? The game only stores 2 weeks.

Gangbang? I think everyone knows what I mean. We were hostile with another kd and you hit into that. Sorry if my definitions are innacurate/did not fit the ones your alliance made for the game.

It's a double hostile at best. This isn't made up, this has been the norm for many ages.

[Palem]

60 pages, lots of dead provinces, oceans of tears.

All could have been avoided with a nice open conversation. Admittedly not as fun, but still sAD :(

[FS Best KD in the World]

60 pages, lots of dead provinces, oceans of tears.

All could have been avoided with a nice open conversation. Admittedly not as fun, but still sAD :(

You are accountable for the majority of those rivers flowing to that ocean, admittedly with your pro-FS and pro-Bullying attitudes.

[FS Best KD in the World]

@SS

Talking about fair gameplay: for the second time in history we are completely farming out a kingdom, why you let us do that? There is no reason for us to WD, we want the war-win, we deserve the war win, and we will take what we can now. You on the other hand should realize a WD is in place, not for us, not for you, but for other kingdoms and players competing for the honor charts

All this big talk about what is right and wrong.... you don't even know what is right any more because you are so blinded by hate.

Happy days

Oh look what I found, another FS hypocrit. You think SS withdrawing will give a fair chance for other kds competing for the honor charts? That this conflict originated from FS waving SS while way out of declare range and you expect people to believe that FS will not continue waving everyone who was in direct competition for honor chart regardless of how small they are? Well congrats on your shiny crown, you must be so proud son.

Also, yes you deserve your warwin! Such a fair fight getting all your friends to come help you at the first sign of trouble, and those said allies proceed to do more than double the tally of hits on SS than FS received, not to say versus a much smaller opponent. Congrats on your hard earned double crown, wow FS is so pro! Another ghetto farms out to FS's proness! #FSBestKDintheWorld