Panda vs bb

[Shai]

here is a crazy idea: how about a war summary and some comments on that war that supposedly is going on?

[Lestat]

Anry is back *****es!

[jwuzi]

There's another thead in UtoNews. There's a summary there I believe.

From what we saw via SN's was that bb and panda cows are helping with the core chains and haven't hit each other yet. (I think we saw 2 huge massacres one 1 avian, and some land hits/razes on the ones that they do end up chaining)

The rest of the war kinda goes over my head. Big ups to leaders on both sides, I'd have passed out from exhaustion probably 5 days ago

[MyNameIsMatija]

here is a crazy idea: how about a war summary and some comments on that war that supposedly is going on?

This right here is the real war it seems.

[Band of Horses]

Didn't Anry try to poach a farm war from Pewproteus with a kingdom that thought they were in an alliance with Anry? (Alice or w.e) Trying to farm your allies is like woah, how do you sit upon that high horse after that? His kd mates then and now are suspect too. Vir intentionally farming out to BB as admitted before (then). Hesus intentionally farming out to Vir when in CR/Ex. The Pandas kd as a whole joining the Emeriti GB late to gain acres to try to dodge cj and have advantage.

And lets not forget the growing above Pew in order to wave them until they kicked out ovenmitt, that was as malicious and vindictive as it gets. You can't stand as a monument to nobility when your hands are that dirty and that's just recent ages.

[Anri]

Didn't Anry try to poach a farm war from Pewproteus with a kingdom that thought they were in an alliance with Anry? (Alice or w.e) Trying to farm your allies is like woah, how do you sit upon that high horse after that? His kd mates then and now are suspect too. Vir intentionally farming out to BB as admitted before (then). Hesus intentionally farming out to Vir when in CR/Ex. The Pandas kd as a whole joining the Emeriti GB late to gain acres to try to dodge cj and have advantage.

And lets not forget the growing above Pew in order to wave them until they kicked out ovenmitt, that was as malicious and vindictive as it gets. You can't stand as a monument to nobility when your hands are that dirty and that's just recent ages.

Incorrect troll post for many reasons.

Vir is with CR this age. I dont think its a proud moment for Vir that his kd intentionally gave BB land in war but he came clean with it. Which should be respected. He did not need to tell a soul.

In regards to ovenmitt. He spied on our kd and was in pewpew. Thus we demanded the cheater to not be hosted by any top kd for at least the upcoming age. Pew had age prior maliciously dropped 80k land to wave us after having played in the top. Requesting unlimited waves on us. Ofc we pay them back with same respect. Binar and me are still friendly because we know the rules.

Alice was not our allies. Just a ghetto monarch i saw growing and did not want to farm out in the top to ruin gameplay for the rest. Knowing how ghetto they were it was a huge risk. I advised him to not war pewpew and instead drop out from top or share acres to both pewpew and us. Instead he got farmed and made pewpew #1 kd in a position where we almost could not beat them.

I love how you twist actual events to try and make me look bad when nothing that went down is border line.
Its funny you think we gb emeriti to gain land, i was looking for a reason over how they stole our crown the age before and most of all dealbroke Vir by eoa from his prov crown. ASF knows this and could easy confirm this. I told him we would screw them for that very reason before the previous age had ended. That some others started to gb emeriyi just made it easier.

Bye octobrev

[Cheetzy]

As one of the guys who started Pandas can I just say... We haven't ran from any of the the top in our 3 ages. I'm proud to say that we've warred the majority of the top kds in our time whether advantages or disadvantaged BB now, Pyro last age, CJ Chrystal hell even ED Spartans and Fluffy all of which were good warring kds. It's not about crowning for me it's about the fun with guys who enjoy the game. Sure good and bad decisions have been made in the time CF that shouldn't have happened and things we got involved in we shouldn't have but that's life you make decisions and reflect like any person.

All this Simians **** annoys me because Anri wasn't here at the start of Pandas but just because he is now it doesn't mean the kds are the same they are totally different.

So really what I'm saying is......f**k you and have a nice day!

[protector]

Who did we make a farm deal for 5k acres with?

I'm curious to your supposed source since this is the second time I've heard that, but there's only one kd we've gained more than 2.4k from. Are you referring to your future donation, perhaps? 5k does seem a bit low for it though.

We also generally don't make deals that kds can't give other kds land, or as much land. Those are both interesting claims, though.

I have enjoyed the vilification campaign you and nesta have been on this age, quite amusing. Of course, while neither of you are "playing" but are getting in the way of those that are, and mostly just threaten to farm out if you don't get your way.

Lolwut? My post said what the source is (leader in Panda). It was posted to argue against Anri.
When exactly have we threatened to farm out? I recall no such thing.

You mean the deal that BB made with all competitors and came to us with? That doesn't sound like us forcing deals on people (though it wasn't particularly appropriate and we probably should have just farmed them, but didn't want to deal with them farming out to our competition if we did)

The issue was when they said they weren't competing, I believed them and expected them to behave like other top kds taking an age off - warring, not getting involved in the top.

Because ultimately our goal was to be warring. You are very well aware why we ended up growing after seeing we had a shot to beat Emeriti. Claiming now we lied about our intentions is bull**** since I told you pretty much every move we made....

Lol comedy at its finest, you told me and countless others who we could or couldn't hit.. or we would feel the wrath, pathetic.

Good job quoting and reading out of context :)
Doing a random hit or noticing someone into eowcf etc is fairly different

[flogger]

here is a crazy idea: how about a war summary and some comments on that war that supposedly is going on?

We started off the hostile with a pretty significant troop advantage, to the point of being kd wide on basically no peasants, pandas left about 3 peasants per acre and weren't nearly as trained. CR started the war about 15k acres ahead, so in order for us to win big enough to compete vs them a week or so later, the standard war where both sides' TMs go untouched and you just trade land, wouldn't do the trick. So I went with the strategy of trying to take down their TM land, and then find a way to farm the core land afterwards.

What I was a bit caught off guard with was I didn't expect pandas to outright give us the button. We kept soldiers around in case they bounced, trained them at the last minute, and we made stables late as well and at our BE's they needed about 2 days to fill the stables, thinking I was going to spend 3 waves going from 4 to 10 to 14 to give button. I didn't expect them to wave and give us button control as we had guys who could break their TMs.

The downside being that since we were topfeeding (2500-2700a attackers on 3200a faeries), they had to leave low defense to break the faeries, and their 3k acre avians were able to 2x, and then after a few rounds 3 and 4x. We made most of our TM's semi attackers and always planned on using them as attackers. Again, the only way to catch CR was to win big, so we had to run close to 25 attackers. In hindsight, we could have won the war, or made it 50/50 had we just traded hits on their avians with our bigger attackers, but vs their attack speed it wouldn't have been a big win or done us any good in the long run vs CR a week later.

Long hostile meter control is annoying, as we had way more offense and could way outhit them, but we never were able to without giving them control of the button, so our hitters had to eat some hits turtled, we never got econ going and pandas got their econ going. The war win bonus and 4 days of them cranking double guilds and decent sci mods made things like greed and FG really tough, so we were never able to GC starve them, so their econ flipped our troop advantage after a few days, so where in war we could only 2x to 2x on the core (whereas we started 3x to 2x)

Pandas made the right moves at the right time, hit the right guys at the right time most all war, and last age it took me 7 days of no sleep to beat em, they're a good kingdom. I didn't have 7 days of no sleep motivation this age given that I joined a few days in. In hindsight I think it would have been possible to just trade hits with their bigger avians and beat em down and we would have been left with the 3 banks and 6 hybrid attackers vs 5 dwarves, but I think our core gets trashed in doing that and the win wouldn't have been big enough to match CR.

Actually at the end, I made a nub mistake, I thought we had made it to day change and I thought when on 150 to 149, once daychange happenned, I had 30 more meter to play with. at 3 minutes before daychange I was mapping out making 20 hits on them. Then prot told me "you know we gotta wait till they hit, right"

I forgot they also went down to 120, so we had no meter left to play with when I wanted one more round to finish off the faes in hostile we did take down (as soon as we declared our med sized dudes suiciding on faes would be chained to where they are now, so we needed hostile to protect them). In theory I was going with trading 1 orc for 1 fae mystic is a good trade.

So when they didn't hit us after the tick I had to come up with a plan pretty quick while at work, it was some pretty bad semi chains I hoped would cause more over pop and give us NW range protection on our med sizes from NW range, but our med sizes had already been beat down hard enough in hostile they got trashed and are the 400a orcs ya see today. So when your open wave is designed to protect your medium and the medium gets immediately trashed, it was pretty clear from hour 5 of the war it was trouble. And speed generally kills, once the speedier kd gets in a good spot, it can turn into some big wins.

[munk]

respect for flogger to post his thoughts which are quite interesting to read.

From an outsiders perspective it did appear that you were focusing too much on smashing TMs rather than seeing the more "overall" situation, which especially hurt in a case where you allow big avians with huge BR that can get too big too fast.

[Cheetzy]

The only negative munk is that Flogger was looking ahead at CR and not the slow lumbering Pandas....

[Persain]

The only negative munk is that Flogger was looking ahead at CR and not the slow lumbering Pandas....

yup screw the future u win the war u are in a position to b2b and cause drama...drama is more fun

[Shai]

We started off the hostile with a pretty significant troop advantage, to the point of being kd wide on basically no peasants, pandas left about 3 peasants per acre and weren't nearly as trained. CR started the war about 15k acres ahead, so in order for us to win big enough to compete vs them a week or so later, the standard war where both sides' TMs go untouched and you just trade land, wouldn't do the trick. So I went with the strategy of trying to take down their TM land, and then find a way to farm the core land afterwards.

What I was a bit caught off guard with was I didn't expect pandas to outright give us the button. We kept soldiers around in case they bounced, trained them at the last minute, and we made stables late as well and at our BE's they needed about 2 days to fill the stables, thinking I was going to spend 3 waves going from 4 to 10 to 14 to give button. I didn't expect them to wave and give us button control as we had guys who could break their TMs.

The downside being that since we were topfeeding (2500-2700a attackers on 3200a faeries), they had to leave low defense to break the faeries, and their 3k acre avians were able to 2x, and then after a few rounds 3 and 4x. We made most of our TM's semi attackers and always planned on using them as attackers. Again, the only way to catch CR was to win big, so we had to run close to 25 attackers. In hindsight, we could have won the war, or made it 50/50 had we just traded hits on their avians with our bigger attackers, but vs their attack speed it wouldn't have been a big win or done us any good in the long run vs CR a week later.

Long hostile meter control is annoying, as we had way more offense and could way outhit them, but we never were able to without giving them control of the button, so our hitters had to eat some hits turtled, we never got econ going and pandas got their econ going. The war win bonus and 4 days of them cranking double guilds and decent sci mods made things like greed and FG really tough, so we were never able to GC starve them, so their econ flipped our troop advantage after a few days, so where in war we could only 2x to 2x on the core (whereas we started 3x to 2x)

Pandas made the right moves at the right time, hit the right guys at the right time most all war, and last age it took me 7 days of no sleep to beat em, they're a good kingdom. I didn't have 7 days of no sleep motivation this age given that I joined a few days in. In hindsight I think it would have been possible to just trade hits with their bigger avians and beat em down and we would have been left with the 3 banks and 6 hybrid attackers vs 5 dwarves, but I think our core gets trashed in doing that and the win wouldn't have been big enough to match CR.

Actually at the end, I made a nub mistake, I thought we had made it to day change and I thought when on 150 to 149, once daychange happenned, I had 30 more meter to play with. at 3 minutes before daychange I was mapping out making 20 hits on them. Then prot told me "you know we gotta wait till they hit, right"

I forgot they also went down to 120, so we had no meter left to play with when I wanted one more round to finish off the faes in hostile we did take down (as soon as we declared our med sized dudes suiciding on faes would be chained to where they are now, so we needed hostile to protect them). In theory I was going with trading 1 orc for 1 fae mystic is a good trade.

So when they didn't hit us after the tick I had to come up with a plan pretty quick while at work, it was some pretty bad semi chains I hoped would cause more over pop and give us NW range protection on our med sizes from NW range, but our med sizes had already been beat down hard enough in hostile they got trashed and are the 400a orcs ya see today. So when your open wave is designed to protect your medium and the medium gets immediately trashed, it was pretty clear from hour 5 of the war it was trouble. And speed generally kills, once the speedier kd gets in a good spot, it can turn into some big wins.

Interesting. I think in the end u got too screwed on being to focused on CR in the future then Pandas in the present. We are facing a similar problem warring Green now; you think alot about how to get the best possible position after the war, that u forget to position yourself as good as you can in the hostile or beginning of this war. Its a tricky thing when you realize that winning this war will only cause you to get farmed after it because its impossible to gain any good land vs avian core in 48h. Thus you need to device a long term battle that allows u to gain huge in the end.

[Zauper]

Lolwut? My post said what the source is (leader in Panda). It was posted to argue against Anri.

Hint: the source was nesta (not pandas - They were merely reacting to what they were told), who was (lying? Misinformed?) and told pandas this.

When exactly have we threatened to farm out? I recall no such thing.

Nesta has threatened to farm out if he doesn't get a free deal. Last age, you didn't explicitly threaten to, but it's obviously included in any (if you notice and hit us, we will give your competition the same land) statement.

Because ultimately our goal was to be warring. You are very well aware why we ended up growing after seeing we had a shot to beat Emeriti. Claiming now we lied about our intentions is bull**** since I told you pretty much every move we made....

Yes, I am well aware of every move. That's why I know that after you got farm wars, you decided to grow and fight Emeriti, instead of just staying out of range and letting kds that were competing take care of it. For most of that time, you thought you would lose to Emeriti.

So yes, I have limited issue saying that the justification behind the deal didn't hold up. I realize that you feel like ending #2 last age was not competing. Yet, it pushed down the ranks of kds that were competing and limited their options because you were in size, but not available for conflict generally, yet totally farmable by most competitors most of the time. We spent most of the age afraid that intentionally or otherwise, you would farm out to someone. And we should have just farmed you to prevent it.

[protector]

Hint: the source was nesta (not pandas - They were merely reacting to what they were told), who was (lying? Misinformed?) and told pandas this.

And I was told by Panda's. What their source is I don't know and quite frankly don't care much about either.

Nesta has threatened to farm out if he doesn't get a free deal. Last age, you didn't explicitly threaten to, but it's obviously included in any (if you notice and hit us, we will give your competition the same land) statement.

How am I responsible for what Nesta says? And last age I didn't threaten to farm out. I simply made a deal with everyone I'd give nothing or equal. If you consider that farming out, that's your problem.

Yes, I am well aware of every move. That's why I know that after you got farm wars, you decided to grow and fight Emeriti, instead of just staying out of range and letting kds that were competing take care of it. For most of that time, you thought you would lose to Emeriti.

You act all bitter now about it, you didn't last age. Shrug.
Sure I know, you would rather we landdropped. So you could get more land, lols.

So yes, I have limited issue saying that the justification behind the deal didn't hold up. I realize that you feel like ending #2 last age was not competing. Yet, it pushed down the ranks of kds that were competing and limited their options because you were in size, but not available for conflict generally, yet totally farmable by most competitors most of the time. We spent most of the age afraid that intentionally or otherwise, you would farm out to someone. And we should have just farmed you to prevent it.

In a normal age where 2 from the 4 competing kingdoms do not occupy each other for 3 weeks and the 3rd kingdom doesn't make a not-so-smart decision, our position wouldn't have been 2nd.
That you spent most of the age worrying is your own problem. I said we wouldn't farm out and if I say we don't, I'll keep my word. You had 3 CR members idle in our IRC channel who still had access to our bot. You guys are way too ****ing paranoid.