Canadian Rebellion VS Pandas

[Palem]

If CR can't find wars why didn't they war bb, panda, pyro, the u etc early age?

Because early age makes it easy to whore. It would be stupid to jump into a war where you won't gain as much land and then need to play catch up with the people who stayed out of war.

I think you're getting confused. CR doesn't want wars. They want to crown if that path involved them getting 0 wars, then so be it.

[Aranfein]

Yea but they also say they can't help it people won't war them. If you going to be 25%+ bigger in your conflicts to war I can understand people rather not war if other kds are inrange that offer more opportunitity.

You can't both complain noone wants to war and at the same time jump way infront and expect people not to try and dodge. - ofc I know CR play to win it's a given and while I appreciate their strategy I prefer Pandas route better.

[JusticeLeague]

Many kingdoms are better than CR when it comes to the combined chart. Lol

[Bart of Sparta]

Many kingdoms are better than CR when it comes to the combined chart. Lol

True. 2 ages ago we finished above expendables in the comined chart :)

[MyNameIsMatija]

True. 2 ages ago we finished above expendables in the comined chart :)

They didn't make the cut last age at all :D

[Bart of Sparta]

Yea is true. You know what, I'm gonna be honest. 2 ages ago we were already guaranteed the WW crown. But I went on to do 2 more wars just to finish first on palem's charts. We always set as our goal to win warcrown but also finish #1-5 in honor and #1-10 in land.

[Palem]

Many kingdoms are better than CR when it comes to the combined chart. Lol

You're so far past being jelly. You're straight up smuckers.

[nickey]

Many kingdoms are better than CR when it comes to the combined chart. Lol

Land chart is the ultimate benchmark for kd quality. Tho maybe it would be better that meta game values wars more and that warring early age should be more valuable than it is now, but this just shows how dedicated and patient CR is, sacrificing "fun" in the game to be able to dominate the age, but even fun for some is boredom for others.

In any case, this is something for suggestions.

[topsy's revenge]

In past ages you could get away with going something fun that had more even scaling (the old hum/rogue or undead/tact) or could atleast package fast race/pers with really high scaling stuff(merchant + sage or good attacking whore + elf/something). This age, however, you just would never have any chance of keeping up with a hum/merch kd if you didn't yourself have a hum/merch kd. It isn't a fun pick imo, but people knew what they were deciding preage when they picked setups that would never have a chance at outwhoring or warring out of the gate. We didn't explore any acres on core and this was the first age that we reached whore cap like 3 full days before whore cap extension(which occurs 7-10 days oop). There was no chance for anyone to be anywhere near even footing the first 4 weeks without going the fairly boring hum/merch core. Like what is the best case scenario for the setup that pandas is running this age? I suspect it is something involving getting lots of wars and then growing cows off of post-war tax while somehow managing to get the faster setups to extend you. That seems like exactly what they got thisage, so I have no idea how they could have diplo'd something better.

[Bart of Sparta]

Good point by Topsy. CR is willing to have a boring age to win, others do not want to make that sacrifice. If you can stand boredom in exchange for glory, you do deserve some respect as a competitor.

[Meep]

Meep I know you meant FREE, but if you look at my post I'm asking a completely different question...

If CR can't find wars why didn't they war bb, panda, pyro, the u etc early age? Was it because you pre CF'd or was there another reason? (I'm asking course numerous CR players saying noone to fight).

On a different note just change the damn NW gains to Acre gains and all those issues will be removed.

Yea but they also say they can't help it people won't war them. If you going to be 25%+ bigger in your conflicts to war I can understand people rather not war if other kds are inrange that offer more opportunitity.

You can't both complain noone wants to war and at the same time jump way infront and expect people not to try and dodge. - ofc I know CR play to win it's a given and while I appreciate their strategy I prefer Pandas route better.

We're not complaining nobody wants to war us.

People are *****ing that we didn't war anybody and yet are first place having had tons of time to pump.

I'm responding by saying that at no point this age did anybody want to war us enough to wave us or not ask for a CF extension with us.

We don't care about getting wars, other people care about us getting wars.

It's doublespeak for people that repeatedly asked for CF extensions to complain about us not fighting anybody.

What is this, a tragedy of the commons? What mythical opponents were we supposed to have fought if all of our opponents wanted CFs? If we had fought people and won, wouldn't we be even further ahead than we were already?

[Che Guevara]

I always thought that being a top province/in a top kingdom was anything but boring. I love logging in and not seeing 1800 spells/ops/attacks on my province.

[Che Guevara]

We're not complaining nobody wants to war us.

People are *****ing that we didn't war anybody and yet are first place having had tons of time to pump.

I'm responding by saying that at no point this age did anybody want to war us enough to wave us or not ask for a CF extension with us.

We don't care about getting wars, other people care about us getting wars.

It's doublespeak for people that repeatedly asked for CF extensions to complain about us not fighting anybody.

What is this, a tragedy of the commons? What mythical opponents were we supposed to have fought if all of our opponents wanted CFs? If we had fought people and won, wouldn't we be even further ahead than we were already?

That is assuming you didn't lose to FREE....................

[StratOcastle]

True. 2 ages ago we finished above expendables in the comined chart :)

It's so funny because I get on break and see the mention "combined chart" is like hitting a beehive with a stick. Top kingdom stinger are out! Duck and run!

[MyNameIsMatija]

It's so funny because I get on break and see the mention "combined chart" is like hitting a beehive with a stick. Top kingdom stinger are out! Duck or run!

Yeah, this won't end well, I can tell.