The U or "How to fail even ending on 2nd place for Dummies"

[citadela01]

We haven`t emptied anybody. And in this situation, we kinda stole from both FS/the U, so there can`t be any debate that we`re to blame for their loss. And we stole scraps not dozens of millions.

Hipchat history is limited so I cant check, but I seem to recall one of our guys loosing 5 out of 8m he had on hands to your thieves early in prep vs U.
And that was just one case, you guys were constantly in our news.

Given U's reaction its safe to assume you didnt take scraps, or even reasonable amount.

[Danzig]

bluorr just wait till next age and raze the Us top provinces when you can. Play the meter and you can do all kinds of damage to their goals next age. They might not care about damage this age so plan your revenge for next.

[Bart of Sparta]

Both sides have to weigh the gains and potential costs.

Stealing KD: How much can we steal and get away with?
Top-KD: How much effort are we willing to expend on making it stop?

[MyNameIsMatija]

At some point it can stop being about stopping the stealing. It's simply you mess with me, I mess with you. Depends what kind of person you are and how important your other goals are to you if you have any.

[stealth4785]

From what I understand this is not the first time this KD has been stealing gold and they were punished before, it seems the punishment did not have the desired effect (said KD stops stealing) so maybe a bigger punishment is necessary? Don't know, just my two cents.

As far as I am aware, only people that have taken action against us were Spartans, and later on with some land given to Emeriti. See Barts link for more details.

Edit: Current situation excluded.

[MyNameIsMatija]

I think the whole idea behind a punishment is that you don't like it and you don't consider it fair, so that you don't want to repeat the experience in the future. It's not a fair trade of GC for land or anything like that if you don't ask beforehand, at least it doesn't have to be.

Sure, we can talk about overreaction, but I'm not getting that vibe here.

[StratOcastle]

I respect competitive kingdoms and we had a guy stealing from a top kingdom. I messaged the top monarch myself and offered my gold as compensation. I'm a core journeyman.

Yeah it's a game, but some guys are putting in serious time against other competitors who are also putting in serious time. If it's about payback, great. A little moral compass goes a long way. If you can't sympathize with the victim of your theft and you can't accept the ass kicking as vengeance then you must be told your guilt complex is suffering operator error.

I'm sure you're all lovely people who see the game as a place to lower your intrinsic value system and have fun. I decided to bring mine with me so the game is even more challenging. The intrinsic value system ;-) buy it now!

[Zauper]

As far as I am aware, only people that have taken action against us were Spartans, and later on with some land given to Emeriti. See Barts link for more details.

Edit: Current situation excluded.

We did a half wave+ due to your robbing a week ago, roughly.

So essentially, what you're saying is most of the top has taken action.

[Korp]

And lets talk about overreaction, overreaction was when BIO + friends went and tried to GB SPGC hard for stealing their shinies. :D

[bluorr]

So Bart you ask me why we steal from top Kds? Because that is the circle of life.

Even since the start of the age we had almost ALL top Kds coming to bottom feed on us, including Spartans and Emeriti - half+ or full waves, not mere random attacks. Our "bad luck" was that we won two wars in a fair short amount of time, ending up quite big and only 23. We can`t really fight back nor is there any real point in wasting time to try to cripple the big guys. So, we eat the waves, rebuild and move on. For rebuilding and moving on - we require gold, which we steal. All of you top Kds complain we stole gold from you but it`s hard to remember that you actually fully waved us for land/sci even when you had no reason to? I understand you wave a lot and you don`t always remember who you waved or not, but come on, be fair at least.

Binar - possible you might have threatened us with razekills. Understandable. Us smallies we gotta do what we gotta do to survive, you biggies gotta do what you gotta do to enforce the "order" and secure the top. Did we stop? We did. Did we come to an agreement? I reckon we did.

When a top Kd bottom feeds on us smallies, in the best case scenario there`s a "yea, sorry guys, we needed the land". Case closed. Within hours it`s like it never happened. But when us smallies steal a 5 mil gold ... representing a value of say 2.5% of the top Kds` gold, we`re Adolfin reincarnated. I noticed your opinion about us, just "another ghetto". If you anyways look down on us, at least don`t exaggerate our actions.

As for the regular "eye for an eye". I don`t want any of that. I don`t take this game personal. I don`t want to spend an age hunting and trying to cripple some top Kd down because omg they razed me or waved me. I got enough of that beef to chew irl. Within the game, what I can hope for, is to eventually manage to go 25, have our old asses on the 110% activity horse again and challenge any1 who did wrong versus me and win fair. That! - is satisfaction.

So once again, why the hell can`t we be good sports?

[Folle]

So once again, why the hell can`t we be good sports?

You took our jobs!

[Panthira]

They were on our list to raze today. :p

[Dean21]

It's not a problem of stealing from big guys, problem is stealing from someone in their war prep

[bluorr]

As there seems to be quite a bit of confusion. Maybe my English is flawed, but let me try to explain. We do accept being punished for our actions if we are at fault. But raze killing? I`m sorry. It`s sheer stupidity. It`s like ... You come slap me and I take out my gun and shoot you dead. If I have the gun and the possibility to shoot you, it doesn`t mean I`m stronger than you, or brighter or, in fact, that I am right ( unless I`m from `Murica maybe - I am not familiar with the legislation there so .. ). I didn`t come here on this forum to ask for help or sympathy. I came here to ask for fairness. You slap me, I slap you back. We call it even. In the real world, the real men would have a pint together afterwards most of the times. Maybe some of you, I`m fairly sure not many of you, can relate.

[StratOcastle]

If you won 2 wars you can fight. Don't get down on your numbers and all that crap. My kingdom was eating a top kingdom wave and that's their business. We left a CF hanging out there, which I'm not a proponent.

Anyway, when they got to me I retaliated. It was a measured response. My first tactical decision was to strike his teammate as an indication that I held his kingdom responsible. At the same time I cast explosions and PF on the responsible province; I wanted him to know I can escalate but would prefer we stop at acres with no further harm exchanged.

The province I attacked then retaliated and I cast PF and explosions on him as well. If they took intel I caused riots. More intel? I ambushed both with PF kills and we had the hostile. I stopped at maximum effectiveness short of giving UF. I'm not afraid to give relations, but this again was a matter of demonstrating a willingness to be reasonable.

I'm respectful of top kingdom goals and therefore don't attempt crippling harm. I certainly have zero fear of the consequences, but I know they're just doing the routine.

I think your kingdom, bluorr, also exchanged with ours and we again left a CF floating out there. This is not my way. While I respect your warring prowess I'm confident in my abilities to trade shots with anyone. Your kingdom seems interested in top play, so don't be shy. Lots of top kingdoms go through an abbreviated roster spell.

Trust yourselves. I trust myself. Just know your kingdom can play at any level if you put effort into it. The beatings make most learn diplo, like a good spanking. But you don't have to do that if your tough enough ;-)