omg omg omg panda what?!

[Zauper]

How's that war going though - you know, the one this thread is suppose to be about.

At present, in war, notpandas appear to be up ~11k acres (27 hours in). They did just wave though, so I'd expect that number to drop some when jesters(?) waves back.

Emerald (on notpandas) vs ruby(?) dragons on the kds?

[MyNameIsMatija]

Because he posted logs on the forum Francis threatening to dealbreak them within three hours of their wave?

You are saying he has already waved before contacting anyone... That was the point I think.

[pierniczek]

OT: word on the grapevine is (and this isn't very surprising) that you have a few fingers in the pie in Jesters leadership.

Bart, can you please give us an insight on how you think the war against "pandas" is going and what your next move is to try and bring this back into jesters/spartas favour? Thank you

"Like" Too true
Weak minded ones will get easily manipulated like Jesters.

I'm not sure if you know but no kingdom competing for land would suggest giving away so many acres to the number 1 spot. That would be insane.
We had our motivates and we agreed to do this as a Kingdom composed out of 25 women and men.
We knew we'd get destroyed but we also knew that was our chance to actually hurt them as that Kingdom is usually 10-20 milion NW larger then us....

We at Jesters do what we want and are independant as shown in the big server "Alliance war" that took place I think 3 or 4 ages ago...

[pierniczek]

At present, in war, notpandas appear to be up ~11k acres (27 hours in). They did just wave though, so I'd expect that number to drop some when jesters(?) waves back.

Emerald (on notpandas) vs ruby(?) dragons on the kds?

That's how it looks, we were very land fat on thier land before they declared, they had all the economy and GC in fort so this is really obvious. The pendulum swings.
In harsh times I always advise the team not to look at the Kingdom Page and just complete the objectives.

[protector]

If someone threatens to break an agreement, their word is void, and the dealbreak already happened.

Wrong. I could get LG to say some dumb **** and use that as a justification to dealbreak CR, but it wouldn't be justified.

If I make a deal with someone and then have to constantly worry about them breaking that deal, then their word is literally meaningless and the deal might as well have never existed.

That's your problem. The risk is always there, no matter what. It's best to just assume everyone sticks to their deals and deal with it if they don't. This usually works fine

If my company signs a contract to provide a service in exchange for money, and halfway through the other party says 'you know what, on second thought, we're not going to pay you unless you also provide this other service that wasn't even in our original contract', We're going to immediately stop work and call our lawyer. I'm not just going to happily continue providing services with no expectation of being paid.

You don't bluff breaking a contract. That's how you get your ass sued.

Same principle should apply to diplomacy in-game.

Don't compare a game with reality. You don't shoot someone IRL because they killed you in a game, right?

Because he posted logs on the forum Francis threatening to dealbreak them within three hours of their wave?

Threatening to =! doing
Threatening is dumb and as you said yourself, "call their bluff every time", i.e. see if they put words to deeds.

[Anri]

That's how it looks, we were very land fat on thier land before they declared, they had all the economy and GC in fort so this is really obvious. The pendulum swings.
In harsh times I always advise the team not to look at the Kingdom Page and just complete the objectives.

That is not how it looks, that is how it is, fait accompli

[handofthrawn]

I'm not sure if you know but no kingdom competing for land would suggest giving away so many acres to the number 1 spot. That would be insane.
We had our motivates and we agreed to do this as a Kingdom composed out of 25 women and men.
We knew we'd get destroyed but we also knew that was our chance to actually hurt them as that Kingdom is usually 10-20 milion NW larger then us....

We at Jesters do what we want and are independant as shown in the big server "Alliance war" that took place I think 3 or 4 ages ago...

You are so full of crap it's not even funny you owed the Spartans and now are blocking for them. BeachLords and Newbreed had a agreed war. You interfered and got basically double hostile for it. Who came to save you the Spartans did. You had a banner saying Bart make Utopia great again. Yes you are puppets of Barts and clearly blocked for them this age. Also I was informed you told my guys they had to play by your alliance's new rules and not former precedent set in the past. Now you claim there is no alliance, give me a break. Clear blocking move just like Spartans blocked FS last age.

[pierniczek]

You are so full of crap it's not even funny you owed the Spartans and now are blocking for them. BeachLords and Newbreed had a agreed war. You interfered and got basically double hostile for it. Who came to save you the Spartans did. You had a banner saying Bart make Utopia great again. Yes you are puppets of Barts and clearly blocked for them this age. Also I was informed you told my guys they had to play by your alliance's new rules and not former precedent set in the past. Now you claim there is no alliance, give me a break. Clear blocking move just like Spartans blocked FS last age.

We owe nothing to the Spartans. We made that banner last age for our own reasons and if you don't get irony then tough luck. We are in no alliance.

My Dad always told me that if I had nothing smart to say about a certain topic, it's best to say nothing or I'dmake an idiot out of myself.

You, sir, are an idiot.

[pierniczek]

That is not how it looks, that is how it is, fait accompli

You are happy, we are happy, life is good. :)

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

Oh you know, when you threatened to dealbreak spartans if they made a CF deal with someone you were competing with, so they called your bluff and waved you as you deserved.

Threatening a dealbreak is equivalent to a dealbreak, and leaves you entirely at fault.

you seem to know a lot about what was going on, based on 3 lines of a days long conversation between 2 ppl.. there are plenty lines in the very same convo i could take out of context, and claim spartans were planning to dodge emeriti by arranging farm/friendly wars or planning to get outside help against emeriti if it comes down to that and so on.. thats pretty stupid thing to do though, and doesnt achieve anything in the short run or the long run, other than giving ammunition to irrelevant haters like you..

[LoRD_SaMPuaN]

Threatening to =! doing
Threatening is dumb and as you said yourself, "call their bluff every time", i.e. see if they put words to deeds.

[14:11, 30.4.2016] Bartheaven: so next time you wavea KD I wanted to war
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*I can DB?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*that is your KD's logic?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Francis:*No you cant, you better not get intimidated by such threats though

a part from my convo with bart, where i supposedly threatened to dealbreak them..

[vir]

Well.. how the war is going? I can report that after having bounce waved me two waves in a row in hostile, then using all this hits first wave to hit me even doing cqs for the guys with to low off.. they finally broke me.. :/

Its been a rough war for my province.

Attacks Suffered 90
Times Defeated 48
Total Land Lost in Combat 5748

Had 0 before teh war.

[Meep]

Wrong. I could get LG to say some dumb **** and use that as a justification to dealbreak CR, but it wouldn't be justified.

You're comparing the word of LG, a core clown fiesta member of CR, to the word of the leader of FS?

Are you even trying?

That's your problem. The risk is always there, no matter what. It's best to just assume everyone sticks to their deals and deal with it if they don't. This usually works fine

Actually, that's the person threatening a dealbreak's problem. It's best to just stick to your deals not threaten to break them, not to put up with people's bull**** because they're mad you're going to give their competition acres.

Don't compare a game with reality. You don't shoot someone IRL because they killed you in a game, right?

You don't appear to understand analogies.

You threaten to break an in-game deal, I'm going to take that to mean our deal is null and void.
You threaten to break an IRL contract, I'm going to take that to mean our contract is null and void.

You're really incredibly bad at this, go drink some coffee.

Threatening to =! doing
Threatening is dumb and as you said yourself, "call their bluff every time", i.e. see if they put words to deeds.

So do what, waste resources training up for something that may or may not happen? Don't waste resources training up and get your position in the age screwed over?

[Meep]

[14:11, 30.4.2016] Bartheaven: so next time you wavea KD I wanted to war
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*I can DB?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Bartheaven:*that is your KD's logic?
[14:11, 30.4.2016]*Francis:*No you cant, you better not get intimidated by such threats though

a part from my convo with bart, where i supposedly threatened to dealbreak them..

Maybe you shouldn't make those threats in the first place.

[Bart of Sparta]

Wrong. I could get LG to say some dumb **** and use that as a justification to dealbreak CR, but it wouldn't be justified.

I don't know who LG is, but a more apt comparison would be Zauper saying dumb and **** and me acting on it (then again, Zauper doesn't say dumb ****, so still not a good comparison). FS is a known bully KD that uses any methods at their disposal to get what they want. Hell, the age before they threatened part of what is now YOUR KD with a DB if they legit waved FS' war target. Bullying works until it doesn't.

That's your problem. The risk is always there, no matter what. It's best to just assume everyone sticks to their deals and deal with it if they don't. This usually works fine

We don't have allies to rely on so that argument is silly.

We were looking for a war and you simply gave us a good reason to get one. Jesters legit waved a KD they had noticed, which only after their notice tagged up WAR AGREED. You countered by going double-hostile.