omg omg omg panda what?!

[vir]

Vir, I have those logs and you are welcome to them. Jdorje flat out refused to agree to any deal that gave you any uncontested prov crown. He refused several times and said that there was no point in talking further about a deal if that was what you wanted out of it and talks stopped. Emeriti prepared to wave and both sides trained up. In the end, Anri came back when he saw how mismatched the fight was and agreed to jdorje's terms with no mention again of any uncontested prov crown. Let me know if you want all logs and I can dig them up.

Actually we had shorter notice/cf with bb so we would never have warred you(a war you said you would wave into).. thats why bb even were involved in the channel, this is all history now though..


On to topic now though, the war is getting closer to mintime and right now we are back to square1(+some more)+ww bonus pretty much, this would mean we only lost the gc and the chance to notice some smaller kds. Who knows how it will end though.. its not the worst dealbreak possible i guess :P

[flogger]

You are giving me GOLD here for my theme!

that was the best theme of the past 20 ages, well 2nd best, behind BB's Celine Dion theme.

[flogger]

Lets be clear.

If we have a deal, and the other party tells me plainly and matter of factly that they have every intent of breaking it, the deal is null and void.



What am I supposed to do, sit back and wait for them to dealbreak me?

If someone is threatening a dealbreak as an attempt to make people adhere to terms that weren't even set, their word isn't worth the keyboard they typed it on, and we have no deal.

FS Deserved that wave, they're the ones that broke their deal, and the hypocritical 'fairplay' cowards they were allied with should have dumped them right then and there when someone finally said enough when FS tried to pull their usual bull****.

FS got pissed because of a blatant multi started farm war, your take is absurd. When people have multi started farm wars, everyone on the server has logs discussing whether to dealbreak them. Don't start multi started farm wars, and you won't get other people talking about dealbreaking you, if that gets you #nervous. Its why the age prior after no more than 3 minutes of learning my kd had a suspect war, I razed all the WW land back and told every kingdom in the top we'd CF to whatever length they wanted without question. So yes, I can claim the high horse here.

[flogger]

The most logical sanc dealbreak to me to mention would have been when dorje waved (seasons? sonata?) at EOA because he assumed it was the last age of utopia. I can't think of any examples where ASF-lead kingdoms broke their deals offhand (alliance mates, yes). Monolith...tivoli...err, I forget the kdname.. age 29 maybe?

"my kingoms never dealbroke" is somewhat semantic. In one of my abs ages I discovered an anti-abs player was running rage's bank, and we then proceeded to gangbang dealbreak the anti-abs kingdom involved. But yes, rage themselves didn't dealbreak, but me dorje and ASF all coordinated mercy and sanc's hitting into the kd Rage was fighting. Rightfully so. Completely warranted dealbreak. Abs had its problems, but probably acted as responsibly in power as anyone could possibly expect in this game, in the grand scheme of things. Not sure others would have done much better, there were just a few instances they could have gone with just owning up to a mistake rather than trying to defend it. 95% of this mistakes involving dorje, obviously. But he's their best player, so they kinda had to just roll with it.

[flogger]

re: ASF vs Elit as I know both pretty well....

ASF pretty clearly right that Elit doesn't take being put in a corner well. He had AMA with the reputation of being able to win any war no matter what the circumstances, given that he won some of the best wars in the top if not THE best wars of the top in the past 10-15 ages, where like I thought or even told him he had no chance and he'd still win it. He's probably the best war leader on the server, But on the flip side of that it built up the pressure to live up to that, so when faced with an assured loss Elit generally wouldn't just take it and move onto the next age, but would cause some drama. Elit would be better served realizing he could still be viewed as the best on the server even if he lost a fight he had no chance to win cause of lack of prep cause a CF ended right at the time he ended some other war. The waving pyro thing I remember being ridiculously stupid.

At the same time, he's been ****ed plenty. Got gangbanged by all of abs when he merged with trollfags. Pew and Anri's dislike of his actions that age they were allied with the SWEA thing was more pew and Anri's fault than his, IMO. If he's right that he tried to reach dorje for 4 days the havoc/sanc double age, that's another example. At this point, he's been ****ed enough he's jaded, so its just a ****play cycle that doesn't end once someone gets screwed enough.

IMO, everyone in this game is better off if they just admit when they **** up, as we all have. Its better than defending the actions that were bad as when you defend everything you've ever done, even the bad stuff, then it just comes off as being a crazy utopian.

[maccar86]

Dat war doh

[Lowed420]

Another thread full of off topic crying.

[Elit]

The waving pyro thing I remember being ridiculously stupid.

Age when we waved CR was first age Pyro play for land chart and if you remember we was massive power played from RPP alliance. After beat RBL we was in perfect spot to vulture Pyro because they had incoming war but i made right choice for give them CF extend so we can have fair war both. I had long CF with CR for worry them and very good relation with zauper for worry they will make any BS against us. Problem came i needed to go away for 10 days and during this time we had hard tim to contact CR/Zauper. Its turned he is not around and ppl in CR want to make his onw decision and dont care about long good relations i had with Zauper. So we got famous pre notice and our Cow being razed from multie. Emotions in my KD exploded how unfair is all again and they wanted to punish CR for it.

So I contacted Pyro around 24-48h before we waved CR and made them to go fort stance and train up. Pyro was in pump mode low draft. After we waved CR i told Pyro: Now you are similar size with CR. Arrange war and if you win it AMA wont attempt to play for n1 and we will stay n2 till age end. What did Pyro...they choice to deal break us and join in GB. Its was possible only because i told them to draft up. If i didunt told them, any GB was not possible if Pyro cant join. We never had intention to win age like this. So Pyro deal break was not just deal break but back stab my trust i show them. Still after this age i didunt build any grudge against them and next 3 ages i was constant in contact CJ and helping him/teaching him. So we had relations where i help him every time when AMA was in stronger position.

What happen in age you refer Flogger...From one side Jerks/Pew Pew had coordinated actions again us and from second KDs im close most complete don't care and all they want is his war for win age. I told you: my time is very limited and i cant lead at all so if you/pyro do noting i wont bother to lead war. You gone mad and left irc. When i sms Protector he didn't bother to talk with me and just start talk how i don't have right to sms him after being ally for 6-7 ages? What did Pyro...noting just like BB.

So waving Pyro and farming to Pew Pew has noting to do with loss/win war. Its was for punish Pyro/BB for leave us alone when we needed our ally most. Letting you see what is to come some idiot and ruin all your work. Its what i needed to deal age after age and being alone when i have ally.

After AMA disband you say difference when now ppl start target BB not us. So maybe you able to experience it.

[Raikon]

Who are these ghettos?

/me waves to vir

[protector]

You're comparing the word of LG, a core clown fiesta member of CR, to the word of the leader of FS?

That clown did diplo for your KD with me. His word is probably worth more than yours even though LG is a nub

Actually, that's the person threatening a dealbreak's problem. It's best to just stick to your deals not threaten to break them, not to put up with people's bull**** because they're mad you're going to give their competition acres.

There is no problem unless a deal is broken which rarely happens.

You threaten to break an in-game deal, I'm going to take that to mean our deal is null and void.
You threaten to break an IRL contract, I'm going to take that to mean our contract is null and void.

Im no lawyer but in my understanding contracts generally can't be broken unless either mutual agreed or for specific reasons/clauses. That's what contracts are there for, to uphold an agreement.

So do what, waste resources training up for something that may or may not happen? Don't waste resources training up and get your position in the age screwed over?

Panda didn't train, got dealbroken and is still winning. They didn't want any help. Go figure how much the dealbreak would have helped if Panda would have asked & gotten help to deal with the situation.
Dealbreaking isn't profitable, so it's rarely done and so there is little reason to train up.

[protector]

And you played in an Absalom kd for some time so you know exactly how sh*tplayed every abs kd would get every age with multis and whats not, and how little alliance interference there would actually be despite there being more then enough reason for it.

Being targeted by multies/friends/etc happens to *every* kingdom.

As for the little alliance action, just to give you an example: my KD waved Angels of Absalom and got ****played by Allanon. At that time he wasn't in Sanc yet, but he was balls deep in the Abs circle.

[protector]

When i sms Protector

I don't recall ever receiving an SMS from you. It's long ago so I might have forgotten :p
When was this?

[Elit]

I don't recall ever receiving an SMS from you. It's long ago so I might have forgotten :p
When was this?

Age 62. I asked Kuhan and he send you sms.

[Bart of Sparta]

Jees you guys, how on earth do you remember this stuff... I can hardly remember what I did last age already...

[protector]

Age 62. I asked Kuhan and he send you sms.

I don't think he did, I don't think he ever sms-ed or called me for that matter :P