omg omg omg panda what?!

[Band of Horses]

You just admit they had advantage and you cant make pump like them for prepare for war. Its mean with proper war when both Kds give his best you will end farmed big time. So you decide to take unfair advantage for make it "even". Cant you see how wrong is this? Imagine if other KD decide to make same to you just because you are bigger so they cant war you on event terms.

You are do good job for make this long thread.

[pierniczek]

Anyone who knows hesus can say that's a lie.

I am not lying, ingame in the news we saw that the ceasefire is broken and a wave ensued.

[pierniczek]

So this means that Jesters dont mind any ****play at all. Just a tactical advantages. Good to know.

We have been ****played, lied to straight to our faces, bottomfed, bullied, threatned, dealbroken many times in the game before. Add raze killed to that now.
This is nothing new to Utopia and as I said before the great majority of players posting here don't have the moral ground to say I did wrong.
I have talked to Zauper and he explained why the community set up such rules and what we did wrong.
As nonPandas know, we are willing to apologise, right here on the public forums, for our actions as well.

[sexual harassment panda]

so how does anyone make CF's anymore? You continuously see DB rants from previous ages and most if not all the people here have been part of some DB (directly or indirectly)... yet diplo gets done and CF's exist within the top every age till the next DB and the cycle repeats.

True dealbreaks are fairly rare despite what you read in the forums.

People try to twist a lot of borderline play into an outright dealbreak because it's precedent that can serve them later. I'm paraphrasing and probably missing most details, but last age one kingdom threatened another to dealbreak, and the threatened kingdom felt that constituted a dealbreak and decided to act early. That instance had quite a bit of gray area so it was tough to get a consensus among other leaders who was in the wrong. It ultimately was solved diplomatically.

Gray area dealbreaks like that tend to happen at least once an age, and it's tough to get a consensus who was actually in the wrong.

Black and white dealbreaks like what happened in leading up to this war happen every ~10 ages or so. Typically the threat of the multiple top kingdoms dropping what they are doing and razing into the war is what stops these from being more commonplace.

[Elit]

You are do good job for make this long thread.

But Palem don't get paid extra for it. Its why he hate me :(

[Band of Horses]

But Palem don't get paid extra for it. Its why he hate me :(

Palem only love Taylor Swift. He can't see your beauty for not hate.

[haze]

I am not lying, ingame in the news we saw that the ceasefire is broken and a wave ensued.

If a cf expires and the deal had no notice to it, it can be broken for a wave at any given time. That does not = breaking a cf.

[Slayerviper]

True dealbreaks are fairly rare despite what you read in the forums.

People try to twist a lot of borderline play into an outright dealbreak because it's precedent that can serve them later. I'm paraphrasing and probably missing most details, but last age one kingdom threatened another to dealbreak, and the threatened kingdom felt that constituted a dealbreak and decided to act early. That instance had quite a bit of gray area so it was tough to get a consensus among other leaders who was in the wrong. It ultimately was solved diplomatically.

Gray area dealbreaks like that tend to happen at least once an age, and it's tough to get a consensus who was actually in the wrong.

Black and white dealbreaks like what happened in leading up to this war happen every ~10 ages or so. Typically the threat of the multiple top kingdoms dropping what they are doing and razing into the war is what stops these from being more commonplace.

TY for the response; however it seems not all the top Kd's are participating (if any)... so is there more to this?

[SnirpsneR]

If most of the people in Jesters are this retarded I feel sorry for the few normal ppl there.

[pierniczek]

If a cf expires and the deal had no notice to it, it can be broken for a wave at any given time. That does not = breaking a cf.

Then what would you call it?
Even the ingame msg in the news is that Kingdom X:Y has broken our ceasefire with us...

[Band of Horses]

If a cf expires and the deal had no notice to it, it can be broken for a wave at any given time. That does not = breaking a cf.

Ouch, poor choice of wording.

Then what would you call it?
Even the ingame msg in the news is that Kingdom X:Y has broken our ceasefire with us...

Breaking or ending an in game CF =/= deal break though.

[Korp]

We have been ****played, lied to straight to our faces, bottomfed, bullied, threatned, dealbroken many times in the game before. Add raze killed to that now.
This is nothing new to Utopia and as I said before the great majority of players posting here don't have the moral ground to say I did wrong.
I have talked to Zauper and he explained why the community set up such rules and what we did wrong.
As nonPandas know, we are willing to apologise, right here on the public forums, for our actions as well.

And you didnt get upset at all for all those actions done towards you instead praised them for doing a good job since they were better than you at strategy aspect of the game. Seems like the simplest thing in the world that you dont break an agreement. Its appliable basically anywhere in the world.

[pierniczek]

So this means that Jesters dont mind any ****play at all. Just a tactical advantages. Good to know.

Korp, I am a young person, I always look up to the best and thier actions, I have started playing Utopia when I was 11 in 2001. I read lots of things. :)
You're one of my favorite personalities here thoough, I have to give you that.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Thread was good until people started getting hung up on semantics. ZzzZzzZ

[pierniczek]

And you didnt get upset at all for all those actions done towards you instead praised them for doing a good job since they were better than you at strategy aspect of the game. Seems like the simplest thing in the world that you dont break an agreement. Its appliable basically anywhere in the world.

In real life yes, but correct me if I am wrong, this is an Internet game...
We were upset, but it happened so many times we got accustomed to it.