omg omg omg panda what?!

[Zauper]

thats not the goal for anyone here. we arent warring them to ruin their age. we warred them to prevent them from winning by year 5.

Confusing. You guys probably should all get on the same page. I don't really know who is in charge over there, but JanK is at least S. You didn't play there prior to this age you say, and you say you won't play there next age. On the other hand, the guy who's been the consistent leader (janK) says that there were two reasons for your dealbreak:
1) Revenge for last age where they waved you when the kds had an in-game CF, but no deal
2) You were going to lose a conflict against them when your CF expired.

[Loons]

Hardly an apt comparison, a more comparable coparison would be Pearl Harbour and the resulting nukes that came somewhat later


You dealbroke them, and refuse to wd, and the only one any of this benefits is the other top contenders so you're either knowingly or unknowingly a pawn for one of those contenders. And thus you're words rings of faleshood whether you're oblivious to it or participating knowingly is something only you and possibly those in your kingdom can know.

He has it right.

[pierniczek]

Confusing. You guys probably should all get on the same page. I don't really know who is in charge over there, but JanK is at least S. You didn't play there prior to this age you say, and you say you won't play there next age. On the other hand, the guy who's been the consistent leader (janK) says that there were two reasons for your dealbreak:
1) Revenge for last age where they waved you when the kds had an in-game CF, but no deal
2) You were going to lose a conflict against them when your CF expired.

There is a quite bigger list of reasons as I posted in the war forums for Pandas to know.
this is exactly what I posted:

1. Getting back for unjust (in our opinion) treatment in an unjust way (in your opinion).
2. Having fun + warring and learning from a better Kingdom.
3. Avoiding taxation from an unjust kingdom for the reminder of the age (there will be nothing left to tax soon)
4. Livening up the community forum (cause it was dead)
5. Taking down the biggest orc in the world (at the that time) and turning it into the smallest orc in the world (for a few h at least)

Marve was not here last age hence he did not know how the bottomfeeding took part.

[pierniczek]

thats not the goal for anyone here. we arent warring them to ruin their age. we warred them to prevent them from winning by year 5.

That is also a reason but IMHO they wuld have won by year 3 not 5.

[Loons]

Confusing. You guys probably should all get on the same page. I don't really know who is in charge over there, but JanK is at least S. You didn't play there prior to this age you say, and you say you won't play there next age. On the other hand, the guy who's been the consistent leader (janK) says that there were two reasons for your dealbreak:
1) Revenge for last age where they waved you when the kds had an in-game CF, but no deal
2) You were going to lose a conflict against them when your CF expired.

Well Zauper, the story changes by the minute. They cant quite make up their minds. One minute they DB us for something we supposedly did in the past, next minute its to stop us from crowning, next its not to block us but stop us from crowning in yr 5. If you guys could see their war forum rants .... your head would hurt. I think all of nonpandas have come to the conclusion that its impossible to try to talk to them, since they seem to forget which story to stick to and what they actually say in PM logs. Not to mention the fact that they forget what nick and prov they are using in those logs.

[Loons]

There is a quite bigger list of reasons as I posted in the war forums for Pandas to know.
this is exactly what I posted:

1. Getting back for unjust (in our opinion) treatment in an unjust way (in your opinion).
2. Having fun + warring and learning from a better Kingdom.
3. Avoiding taxation from an unjust kingdom for the reminder of the age (there will be nothing left to tax soon)
4. Livening up the community forum (cause it was dead)
5. Taking down the biggest orc in the world (at the that time) and turning it into the smallest orc in the world (for a few h at least)

Marve was not here last age hence he did not know how the bottomfeeding took part.

Dude, you can try to troll and deflect all you want. It doesnt help the fact that nonpandas knows exactly where this is coming from. Again... those darn logs u guys forget about ...

[Osaze]

Dude, you can try to troll and deflect all you want. It doesnt help the fact that nonpandas knows exactly where this is coming from. Again... those darn logs u guys forget about ...

I would like to see these logs, you imply you have access to them. Please produce them so that all can see.

[Goodwitch]

As a community member, my opinion is that the punishment was just. But if jesters withdraws now that would be enough punishment.
nonpandas would get the ww bonus , between land and honor gains that should make it about right.

That is if they are willing to withdraw and apologize.

p.s. I hope nonpandas and cr see how much their ties to the other kingdoms are worth. there is a difference between saying you will be there and actually being there.

[handofthrawn]

I dunno seems Eme is benefiting quite well, the conspiracies are endless!!!

No because when Jesters and my kingdom had our problems. They ran to Spartans not Emeriti. Also Jesters warned us that Spartans would save them ahead of time. Jesters are simply repaying Spartans for saving them last age by playing simple alliance tactics of blocking. My guess when Spartans and Pandas war Jesters will hit into the war claiming vengeance. But hey alliance's don't exist anymore right. Lol

[Palem]

Utopia was good until people started getting hung up on semantics. ZzzZzzZ

Fixed that for you

[Slayerviper]

No because when Jesters and my kingdom had our problems. They ran to Spartans not Emeriti. Also Jesters warned us that Spartans would save them ahead of time. Jesters are simply repaying Spartans for saving them last age by playing simple alliance tactics of blocking. My guess when Spartans and Pandas war Jesters will hit into the war claiming vengeance. But hey alliance's don't exist anymore right. Lol

It possible, I can't deny nor prov any of these "facts". To be the best manipulator is the one that is least obvious, let Sparta take the fall and push on through (just playing devils advocate no accusations as I don't know anything). I'm confused why would Jesters say they were going to Sparta for help, to deter any further hostile with little effort? Ending ones age for a repayment of an near EoA hostile seems a bit much (trying to keep track of the history which quarrel are you referring to?). Then again they seem quite content with what is happening... so I withdraw my statement.

[beans]

If any other kds owe sparta favors and are considering how to repay us, we would prefer a nice tax or a good war with us instead of farming out to our biggest competition. Thanks!

[StratOcastle]

Are you guys whoring or mistakenly large? Sometimes you just get big and everybody freaks out.

Other times...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyWirJjuO5I

[AquaSeaFoam]

haha how ****ing sad you become shai you said.

"if ASF is such a pot to everyones kettle, name one example when he dealbroke someone? And you played in an Absalom kd for some time so you know exactly how sh*tplayed every abs kd would get every age with multis and whats not, and how little alliance interference there would actually be despite there being more then enough reason for it."

Asf is one of the most dirt guys ever to play the game he broken, cheatred lie desived more then most, you try to lick his ass in hopes you get to stay in good grace that is fine shai we can all come to the point where we cant see the truth for just brune nosing.

I need only to name the HUGE deal break him and his *unt wife did on Cato the Elder(just becouse he dident have the skill to compeet on his level), and from there it just went on and on and on, but i gusse hiding as a lil chicking in abs made you dumber then i know you are shai .... lol what a joke you become cant even back **** with facts no more.

Mike, you have admitted on multiple occasions that you are one of the worst cheaters in the history of the game. You have admitted this in the past after mass deleting your own kingdoms, and even more recently in brag threads. You are also known for lies and your post here is another example of such lies.

As far as I am aware, no one can name a single time I personally deal broke with my kingdom in all of my ages of playing. I am also not aware of any real "lies" from me in all that time. I am sure I have presented biased facts and opinions, but that isn't the same as blatantly lying like you have been known for.

As for Cato back in Age 18ish, I had no deal with him to break. The events surrounding that were as follows: Monkeys were #2 and my kingdom was #1 with about a 15% lead. Monkeys and us had no grudge, but they wanted to "FSU" and so went around to other top provinces and kingdoms to try and organize a gb on us "for fun". Some were on board with it but most were against a gb with no cause and said they wouldn't help. Many of those told us and other Absalom leaders of Monkey's efforts to organize a gb on us without justification. When confronted, Monkeys leadership admitted that they wanted to gb us for the fun of the chaos but had trouble getting enough to help.

Absalom was planning on acting on Monkeys and any that they got to help gb us. I said that gbing Monkeys was not needed and that we would handle them ourselves and Absalom should only deal with any outside interference. We warred Monkey and withdrew up land (back when withdraw was for winning and surrender was for losing). Monkeys then declared war on us again b2b (there was no post war cf at all then). We smacked down Monkeys even harder the second war and they were knocked out of the top 10, while we were still in #1 (but Playboys had gained ground.)

Monkeys coordinated with Cato on the gb initiative and on their surrender timing. Cato prepared for the entire time of the b2b wars to get massively fed to super pump to hit us. He coordinated his pump perfectly with Monkeys surrender and hit my province (my province was #1 world land) within 30 seconds of Monkeys surrendering from war. Absalom was already prepared to help vs Monkeys gb plans and when Cato coordinated with Monkeys to prepare for over a week and then hit me under 1 minute from their surrender, Absalom acted on him. Absalom acting and Monkeys being knocked out of the top 10 was enough to stop any further gb plans for that age. Of note, my wife had no involvement in the situation besides playing a different province in the kingdom, so you clearly have no idea what actually happened.

To reiterate, I had no deal with Cato and there was no deal break. It was just him coordinating with Monkeys on their gb and vulturing efforts and Absalom gbing him for it. You need to understand that there is a difference between deal breaking and things like 2v1, gb, etc. A deal break requires a deal in place which you break.

[Bart of Sparta]

(Assumes a Zauper role, takes a very very deep breath).

1. We have always had cordial relations with Jesters, just as we have had with many other KDs over the ages.
2. Janek is a friend of mine with us mostly talking IRL.
3. Last age Mr Handoftrump double-hostiled Jesters because Jesters gave a legit notice to another kingdom and hit said Kingdom when the notice expired.
4. I then offered Handoftrump to war us rather than bottomfeeding on them, to which they agreed.
5. I have barely communicated with Jesters this age concerning their plans. I believe each KD should have the autonomy to act as they choose. Does this backfire on them? Sure it does. But I'm not going to tell others how to play, I never have.

I hope both sides can find a satisfactory ending to this conflict.