omg omg omg panda what?!

[Goodwitch]

Im starting to think Goodwitch is trying to cause more drama then there already is ...

sure thing...I am sure I made prot make that statement..while you are at it why don't you pin jester's db on me too?
but seriously..you can't crucify everyone that asks uncomfortable questions. sure it's easier to point your finger in one direction and stick to your guns, but very rarely does this get you to the truth. Unless of course you aren't interested in the truth in the first place?
oh darn,another one of those questions slipped out, sorry, not sorry

[Slayerviper]

sure thing...I am sure I made prot make that statement..while you are at it why don't you pin jester's db on me too?
but seriously..you can't crucify everyone that asks uncomfortable questions. sure it's easier to point your finger in one direction and stick to your guns, but very rarely does this get you to the truth. Unless of course you aren't interested in the truth in the first place?
oh darn,another one of those questions slipped out, sorry, not sorry

In a land of adults with the ego and emotional intelligence of a 8 yrd old... you expect more than this?

[Bart of Sparta]

all this pointing fingers at bart and not one finds it interesting that Protector suggest a cap for 42?
And under the premise of keeping it more fair for spartans?

They don't want a fair war it seems. Last age they made use of my goodwill to get back into the race after WSK kicked their asses in war. Then they went forth and shamed that trust by noticing me to dodge Emeriti. We were in an impossible situation, the way Pandas seem to like it. I'm glad Emeriti did the right thing then and at least made it more or less equal. It was only through our individual skill and war strategy that we turned that war into a farm-fest. Now Pandas again want to hold all the cards and will really say anything to get people to act against us, the only KD this age that hasn't had fortunate wars to grab 20-30K land in and yet is still up there competing.

[Goodwitch]

They don't want a fair war it seems. Last age they made use of my goodwill to get back into the race after WSK kicked their asses in war. Then they went forth and shamed that trust by noticing me to dodge Emeriti. We were in an impossible situation, the way Pandas seem to like it. I'm glad Emeriti did the right thing then and at least made it more or less equal. It was only through our individual skill and war strategy that we turned that war into a farm-fest. Now Pandas again want to hold all the cards and will really say anything to get people to act against us, the only KD this age that hasn't had fortunate wars to grab 20-30K land in and yet is still up there competing.

maybe I was not clear, I don't really think 42 is at fault here at all. I think they are the victim...
I may be wrong but my gut tells me they have the wrong guy THIS TIME.

[Anri]

We are 42, not pandas. Pandas is a different KD in war-tiers with its original members mostly.

Public:
#42

[Osaze]

We are SIMIANS, not pandas. Pandas is a different KD in war-tiers with its original members mostly.

Public:
SIMIANS

Fixed that for you.

[Anri]

Fixed that for you.

Not entirely sure how 1 Simians member playing core in 42 would make us Simians.

[citadela01]

maybe I was not clear, I don't really think 42 is at fault here at all. I think they are the victim...
I may be wrong but my gut tells me they have the wrong guy THIS TIME.

Obvious things are obvious.
BB is goin about their bussines, meanwhile stage is set for puppeteer to step in front of the curtain and take his applause.

[home.alone]

Obvious things are obvious.
BB is goin about their bussines, meanwhile stage is set for puppeteer to step in front of the curtain and take his applause.

I dont think so. Flogger is buys playing puzzles. You shouldn't fly so high!

[Goodwitch]

the thing is I never said it was BB...I actually thought it was someone else. But y'all are making it really hard when every time something is said you are so quick to point the finger at someone else.

[Osaze]

Not entirely sure how 1 Simians member playing core in 42 would make us Simians.

Where there is Anri, there is Simians. You have to understand the symbol you made of yourself.

[Aranfein]

I find it a bit weird to point fingers and use assumptions as facts, if Bart is truly the puppet master where is the proof?

I agree it looks dodgy as hell, from what i can read but once again people jump to their own conclusions without proof or at least proof posted, would be good to see some of it?

[pierniczek]

I find it a bit weird to point fingers and use assumptions as facts, if Bart is truly the puppet master where is the proof?

I agree it looks dodgy as hell, from what i can read but once again people jump to their own conclusions without proof or at least proof posted, would be good to see some of it?

60 pages and none have been given, it's just assumptions.

[astron]

sure it's easier to point your finger in one direction and stick to your guns, but very rarely does this get you to the truth. Unless of course you aren't interested in the truth in the first place?
oh darn,another one of those questions slipped out, sorry, not sorry

Isn't that what you have been doing all your life mirana ? Pointing everything bad going on to protector because of some old petty grudge several years ago. And everything CR says is absolute truth to you. to quote you from another thread, even a 'speculation' is to be taken as a truth. Zauper could very well say that Earth is flat and I bet you'll believe it and possibly even give up your kids to defend the claim.

This is the level of crusade you are on, and there is little salvation from there, so why not let us talk facts instead of flinging **** sandwiches and hoping it lands somewhere?

Let me try this to see if you get why a cap was suggested, answer these;

1) Do you know (or remotely able to estimate) what is the current explore pool on 42/Notpandas right now ?

2) Is it wrong to to want to root for a better circumstance/"even ground" which Sparta and 42/Notpanda will meet ? (after dealing with a 10day db conflict)

3) Do you know the CF expiration dates between the top5 kingdom and its implications ?

4) Do you understand why Bart felt it is justified that Sparta NEEDS to farm 42/Notpanda to keep the race going ?

5) Do you understand the effect of Sparta (likely) farming 42/Notpands will mean in the short term for the rest (positioning wise) ?

I am guessing the answering is probably "no" or perhaps some very misguided understanding just as you had about how big kingdoms grow to their size; as demonstrated in http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...7#post15393977

How about you explain out loud for everyone here how do you think whoring is accomplished and explain "whore caps" (have you even heard of this term?) and its calculations for everyone to proof you're at least qualified to be flinging accusations of ill-will. (after you are done asking around for the first time in 10+ years, then look at Sparta's kingdom page, then look at 42/Notpanda kingdom page, and rethink the questions I listed above. And just sit there and think everything through before you attempt to make any malignant comment on this subject again.

[StratOcastle]

60 pages and none have been given, it's just assumptions.

I think it's important to drink this in:
this is not about what's fair. This isn't based in what can be proven.

My feelings are neutral, even if I felt Jesters actions were for some allied kingdoms best interest. The thing is, there's no motive for the establishment top kingdoms to look elsewhere.

Do you know why?

Because even if it was one of them, it's not worth the detective work to find out.

It's not like these guys all get along, but they know the field. When remote1 razed into AMA it was ok with a little compensation. When remote1 razed into BB it was strike two and Emeriti payed for it in a funny little alliance war.

Sparta is a convenient acre dispenser wether they're guilty or not.

Jesters must understand what Rusty had to understand. You are good, but the powers that be will exercise their power. Your apology had best been sincere or this is going to hurt. You can't straddle the fence wrapped in razor tape.