Spartans Vs Nonpandas

[Zauper]

I'll gladly admit that our prep was a ****show. I don't micro anymore and only just returned home after being 2 days away. Still doesn't explain how a prov go from 3.5K to 7K and fully train up in 3 days. Our banks had to stack for days to reach that pump level (and without doubling their size).

IIRC, the pandas provs fae came OOW with around 8k GCPA (it's not that hard, especially for a fae in war with high base peons -- 4 mana/tick and tog is massive). They were below median, so explore costs would have been pretty small, leaving them with ~20M gc before whatever they earned + togged in 3 days. For toggers, with 7 days prep (4 days eow + 3 days fort) you could reliably get to -5 PPA without exploring w/ a fair amount of dragon gc or for conflict gc. Cheap non-toggers could generally get to around -3. With exploring, -2 PPA was doable, depending on costs. Losing 1 day prep from EOW should mean it's still viable.

They had much less military needs than your dwarves did, being oow.

To be honest, it was the obvious play and you should have expected it. They had no reason to not dump their pool, and it should be recognized that for sub-median provs with at least ok cash, exploring pre war results in more total military even if less mil/acre.

for what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the two big mistakes by pandas thus far:
1) not training ospecs instead of thieves on those rogues -- sorry, two rogues by themselves aren't likely to bring down your cows that are likely stacked with WTs. With 3 OSPA they could farm land from your upper core reliably in war and gain peon space for tog.
2) Bouncing instead of breaking with razes/in range trads on your core. Actually, not entirely sure what their gameplan was there. A 99% bounce (and I'm assuming it's high send bounces) is like 1/3rd the kills of a break.

Biggest mistakes by spartans:
1) Not going HAM with land hits. You've hit for like 500a. If they had razed instead of bouncing on your core, you'd have lost almost all your peon space and be in really bad shape.

[citadela01]

Gotta love sparta accusing 42 about getting outside help.

How pathetic can u be ?

[handofthrawn]

It comes down to Barts ego and trying to keep it in tact. He thinks Spartans are the best kingdom in Utopia. But yet he loses every fair/real war. So he fake wars or puts his opponents at such a disadvantage that they can't win. Hence why he sent Jesters to block for him and then he could vulture notpandas. Now his ego is taking a blow by losing this conflict and now the excuses begin. I would probably guess the only kingdom getting outside aid is the Spartans. Using un founded accusations to justify them getting outside aid.

[sexual harassment panda]

Forti is really strong at large sizes with high homes/banks. It's pretty easy to prep a province's military quickly for war. WPA is the thing that actually takes some time.

And if notpandas was robbing gold outside relations their gains would suck completely from size differences + out of fort robbing. Not to mention they'd need a partner with hundreds of millions of gold lying around that they'd be willing to part with.

What I wonder is why didn't sparta use an explore into fortify as well. Were they completely out of pool acres? If so they should have whore waved and prayed no one was going to take it personal. Their military advantage should be much more than it was if they just pumped properly.

[Lestat]

Early summary is there are only 3-4 active crowned players in the game currently?

Good luck to all in war!

[StratOcastle]

Forti is really strong at large sizes with high homes/banks. It's pretty easy to prep a province's military quickly for war. WPA is the thing that actually takes some time.

And if notpandas was robbing gold outside relations their gains would suck completely from size differences + out of fort robbing. Not to mention they'd need a partner with hundreds of millions of gold lying around that they'd be willing to part with.

What I wonder is why didn't sparta use an explore into fortify as well. Were they completely out of pool acres? If so they should have whore waved and prayed no one was going to take it personal. Their military advantage should be much more than it was if they just pumped properly.

I think a lot of tops take pump sessions as routine. When I was with Pyro the pump was fairly well controlled, but I'm an active with a mentality toward overview. Nesta was a well ordered mind and pump strategy is something I think came to him easily. Sparta is fairly new up top and while the knowledge may be there the experience isn't. They may not project "medians" as Zauper, for instance, explains like turning the light off in a closet.

Additionally, Sparta is on uneasy ground. I'm neutral as to the reasons, but I'm fully aware of the danger. I'd imagine Sparta must keep more defensive troops and approach this war with conservative reasoning. They couldn't hope to pump with abandon because the opposition also has their Jesters or Remote1 out there. Nobody is coming to save Sparta.

[flogger]

why is pandas returning raze waves with bounces on top level core which are the only core in their upper core's NW range? Either bounce down the banks or farm the core. bouncing the core seems crazy bad.

[flogger]

Looks like BB should win the age cause emeriti went with donk human banks in an age where you don't have to pay for science, now that spartans and pandas are running a hostile strategy that doesn't care about gaining land.

[Anri]

why is pandas returning raze waves with bounces on top level core which are the only core in their upper core's NW range? Either bounce down the banks or farm the core. bouncing the core seems crazy bad.

Last time we warred you said you win by 12k land mintime. The funny thing is you were down 12k mintime and wd. Your reports of what should or should not be done are to be taken with a grain of salt.

[Anri]

Looks like BB should win the age cause emeriti went with donk human banks in an age where you don't have to pay for science, now that spartans and pandas are running a hostile strategy that doesn't care about gaining land.

BB competing now? lol

[flogger]

BB competing now? lol

don't think they were, but when there are 4 kds, 2 of which get in a raze fest and the 3rd runs human banks and elves, it kinda gets gifted. Didn't I pull off a WD and b2b win after a 7 day war after giving you the bonuses which had never been done before? maybe what I say should be given somewhat a grain of salt. Lose a war vs someone then beat them 3 days later then get confident. Best I can remember, only one person has ever pulled that off.

Instead, the general top strategy the past 15 ages has been first who gets to war Anri, gets to crown. Not exactly a resume to start talking ****.

[Judge]

the past 15 ages

15? And I thought the only other competent player apart from Dorje and Zauper is you.

Go home Flogger, You are Drunk!

[MyNameIsMatija]

15? And I thought the only other competent player apart from Dorje and Zauper is you.

Go home Flogger, You are Drunk!

No love for Elit? :((

[StratOcastle]

What is love anyway, does anybody love anybody anyway

[MyNameIsMatija]

So many songs come to mind...

What is love but a second hand emotion...

What is love, baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more...

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