Spartans Vs Nonpandas

[CannaWhoopazz]

If you had problems with morale and couldn't keep your ppl together and engaged you weren't going to win a crown at all.

I agree Osaze. This highlighted weaknesses we had in the core, as well as in LS. Hesus and Vir are awesome, but with RL requirements they couldn't do it by themselves, and I don't think the rest of us in LS have enough experience leading this type of conflict to fill the gap.

We needed either a perfectly solid core, or a LS able to micromanage all war, and currently we have neither. There's plenty of awesome core players here, we just need to fill the gaps we've discovered.

[StratOcastle]

Well considering none of our provs was prepared properly that is BS. We lacked overall army and gc.

I was on standby if the call came in. While being 0-3 vs Sparta ain't a selling point for me, I always look forward to breaking the streak. - Just for the war, then I'd slide back down into the abyss. No crown aspirations for me, just want to see Sparta at their best.

Congratulations Sparta. Keep your chin up 42.

[Poopsie]

Well considering none of our provs was prepared properly that is BS. We lacked overall army and gc.

Yes Anri, thats possible that you're not ready and thats your kingdom fault. You have 3 days to prepare after notice. You even came from a win with a lots of credit to be use during eowcf.

Every age, I can see kingdoms used that as an excuse why they loss in a battle. Thats BS

[Anri]

Yes Anri, thats possible that you're not ready and thats your kingdom fault. You have 3 days to prepare after notice. You even came from a win with a lots of credit to be use during eowcf.

Every age, I can see kingdoms used that as an excuse why they loss in a battle. Thats BS

Because Poopsie can take a chained prov and grow it in eowcf, fix its wpa, train to 1 ppa and stock gc and fix its TB all in 5 days. You are right, we should have done better and been 100% prepared, because that was possible.
Also the dealbreak on us we should have expected it and we should have been ready after so many days of warring, because Poopsie would have been ready am i right?

[Poopsie]

Because Poopsie can take a chained prov and grow it in eowcf, fix its wpa, train to 1 ppa and stock gc and fix its TB all in 5 days. You are right, we should have done better and been 100% prepared, because that was possible.
Also the dealbreak on us we should have expected it and we should have been ready after so many days of warring, because Poopsie would have been ready am i right?

Take me and I show you how :)

[makeo]

*yawn*

Octobrev knows how to pincer and whether this was a casual vulture giving no ****s or something he arranged is irrelevant. (Or the extent to which Bart has learnt under his tree and others)

I don't care as it's interesting to see the book handed down , but let's not lie that this was a fair one despite the disappointing 42 performance.

There are obvious dark arts happening here. =]


Edit:
And those arts have always been part of the game. :)

My only opinion is that 42/non Pandas were a bit disappointing this war. The rest is utopia play.

[Bart of Sparta]

hmm. Poopsie = BoH?

[protector]

If you had problems with morale and couldn't keep your ppl together and engaged you weren't going to win a crown at all.

I think if you sit in war for 10 days and have to go b2b, many would have problems keeping moral up. I was glad I didn't have to prepare a (close to) b2b after 5-6 days hostile/war.

[Anri]

You are right Makeo, we played in a poor way overall, but it seems a few people pretty much gave up after the DB on us. Some players only play to crown and when the chance of crowning gets more and more limited the interest goes out the window.

[Osaze]

I agree Osaze. This highlighted weaknesses we had in the core, as well as in LS. Hesus and Vir are awesome, but with RL requirements they couldn't do it by themselves, and I don't think the rest of us in LS have enough experience leading this type of conflict to fill the gap.

We needed either a perfectly solid core, or a LS able to micromanage all war, and currently we have neither. There's plenty of awesome core players here, we just need to fill the gaps we've discovered.

I thought you guys did really well. All s***talk aside, I really hope you guys pull it together. We need more at the top, not less.

[Osaze]

I think if you sit in war for 10 days and have to go b2b, many would have problems keeping moral up. I was glad I didn't have to prepare a (close to) b2b after 5-6 days hostile/war.

You realize that every war crown hopeful does this time after time? The majority of utopian players deal with this over and over. Some can keep up, others can't. The ones that crown generally can. The top usually is immune to most of this because of cf agreements and can plan out wars in longer time frames. Ask any of the top war tier, they can tell you that it is not only possible to prep like this, but that they enjoy it some times.

[protector]

Yes Anri, thats possible that you're not ready and thats your kingdom fault. You have 3 days to prepare after notice. You even came from a win with a lots of credit to be use during eowcf.

Every age, I can see kingdoms used that as an excuse why they loss in a battle. Thats BS

If the kingdom that sits OOW for a long time, built with GC stocks, prepares properly, it's extremely difficult for someone coming out of war to be ready enough. I wouldn't call it an excuse if it just gets proven over and over again that it's though to beat someone sitting OOW.

Lets say a war ends. You're in (mostly) warbuild except for the incoming land + possible bonus land. It takes 12hours with BB to build. Most provinces will be on a rather low amount of peasants.
Switching to a partial/full econ build and reaching max pop will take roughly 24-36 hours depending on province & how much you micro aiding.
You've got tiny provinces that need to explore with 5*cost in war. Aiding them costs resources and you want to do it ASAP. And you have to, because the next fight is waiting.
So after 36 hours your entire kingdom is max pop/build and has income. So you have about 108 hours left to stock gc AND draft soldiers.

Our of war starting from scratch and geting 6 days preptime seems reasonable, but coming out of war and needing 36h just to maxpop/build, you've got 4,5 days left and it isn't so much anymore.

I think it would require about 8-10 days time to have a fairly equal preparation compared to an OOW kingdom.

[Osaze]

They went into hostile with more gc, more land, more troops, very close t/m capability. Tell me again their disadvantage?
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Also they had a ton of credits from war win to work with. Thats a big bonus to prep

[Poopsie]

If the kingdom that sits OOW for a long time, built with GC stocks, prepares properly, it's extremely difficult for someone coming out of war to be ready enough. I wouldn't call it an excuse if it just gets proven over and over again that it's though to beat someone sitting OOW.

Lets say a war ends. You're in (mostly) warbuild except for the incoming land + possible bonus land. It takes 12hours with BB to build. Most provinces will be on a rather low amount of peasants.
Switching to a partial/full econ build and reaching max pop will take roughly 24-36 hours depending on province & how much you micro aiding.
You've got tiny provinces that need to explore with 5*cost in war. Aiding them costs resources and you want to do it ASAP. And you have to, because the next fight is waiting.
So after 36 hours your entire kingdom is max pop/build and has income. So you have about 108 hours left to stock gc AND draft soldiers.

Our of war starting from scratch and geting 6 days preptime seems reasonable, but coming out of war and needing 36h just to maxpop/build, you've got 4,5 days left and it isn't so much anymore.

I think it would require about 8-10 days time to have a fairly equal preparation compared to an OOW kingdom.

Science is a big factor last time..Not now. Its all basic strategy and planning

[Bart of Sparta]

If the kingdom that sits OOW for a long time, built with GC stocks, prepares properly, it's extremely difficult for someone coming out of war to be ready enough. I wouldn't call it an excuse if it just gets proven over and over again that it's though to beat someone sitting OOW.

Lets say a war ends. You're in (mostly) warbuild except for the incoming land + possible bonus land. It takes 12hours with BB to build. Most provinces will be on a rather low amount of peasants.
Switching to a partial/full econ build and reaching max pop will take roughly 24-36 hours depending on province & how much you micro aiding.
You've got tiny provinces that need to explore with 5*cost in war. Aiding them costs resources and you want to do it ASAP. And you have to, because the next fight is waiting.
So after 36 hours your entire kingdom is max pop/build and has income. So you have about 108 hours left to stock gc AND draft soldiers.

Our of war starting from scratch and geting 6 days preptime seems reasonable, but coming out of war and needing 36h just to maxpop/build, you've got 4,5 days left and it isn't so much anymore.

I think it would require about 8-10 days time to have a fairly equal preparation compared to an OOW kingdom.

By the time they finished their war gc stocks in Sparta were very low bar banks. We had to force-grow the entire way to keep up with Pandas. They were 62K when conflict with Jesters started, we were 48K. So in the same timespan we had to grow 34K acres and they 20K. We also from the forum arguments expected Jesters to drag to 50% so we hadn't really started stacking yet.